BRIGGS wrote:="nixluva"]

FistOfOakley wrote:stein's biggest problem is that he is very weak ball skills... he looks like terrified out there dribbling the ball... and shooting with ppl running around him.. forget about it...

that's why he needs to get on a heavy pnr team... for us it'd be a waste...

Maybe. Maybe not. You're talking about basic skills that anyone can work on and gain more facility. He didn't look uncomfortable with the ball in his workout. I'd say he just needs more work in scrimmages and games to gain confidence. I know for a fact that here on the Knicks he'd be learning how to handle the ball in the Triangle as a big man MUST gain comfort in making passes and looking to score in the flow of the offense. Goodness knows we had bigs who never handled the ball as much as they did with the Knicks. Lou Amundson in particular was never asked to handle the ball and look to score as much has in NY and he actually showed improvement to the point of being functional. WCS has more talent than Amundson.

A 7'er shouldn't be dribbling like he's a guard when there's lot of players close to him. He'll do as other Triangle bigs have done and that is catch the ball and let his teammates cut thru. Then when no other defender is near he can take a dribble or 2 at most and make his post move or face up and either shoot it or 1 dribble drive. If a defender comes to double he'll have to pass. It's basic stuff he be asked to do in practice every single day. No different than Amundson had to learn. WCS will be put in the same situations that Amundson was put in which is how the Triangle works. You don't really hide bigs in this offense. They're featured. So WCS will have no choice but to get comfortable having a bigger role.

Lou admundson plays tough Willie stein does not. Also Lou was inconsistent in his play another red flag for stein here as his whole college career was mixed in inconsistency.

As I said in another thread, even with being inconsistent WCS still ended up as one of the top +/- players in the NCAA. He was doing something right to be that productive.

There's no doubt that WCS has more talent than Lou Amundson. I suspect that we would expect WCS to have a much greater impact and NBA career. You put WCS in the same role as Amundson and he'll shine.

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BRIGGS wrote:Kenyon martin was a dominant college basketball player on both ends. He showed up every game and dominated

that is the most ridiculous statement from you yet.

Kenyon averaged 19, 10, and almost 4 blocks a game as a senior. He was player of the year. Stein ad a good career but it wasn't close to what Kenyon did.

12 points and 7 rebounds in the nba and horrific shooting.

good defender, TERRIBLE offensive player.

He looked like a guy that was going to put up 16 and 8 for 8-10 years prior to his first micro fracture surgery.

his WS48 is a very measly .100 for his career. the only thing that he could do was play defense.

You realize he said dominant college player? Why are you citing his NBA stats?

good point ... missed that :-)

so used to his wild declarations

Its OK reinman you're incredible insight to this forum is truly appreciated by everyone!

thanks bud.

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:="nixluva"]

FistOfOakley wrote:stein's biggest problem is that he is very weak ball skills... he looks like terrified out there dribbling the ball... and shooting with ppl running around him.. forget about it...

that's why he needs to get on a heavy pnr team... for us it'd be a waste...

Maybe. Maybe not. You're talking about basic skills that anyone can work on and gain more facility. He didn't look uncomfortable with the ball in his workout. I'd say he just needs more work in scrimmages and games to gain confidence. I know for a fact that here on the Knicks he'd be learning how to handle the ball in the Triangle as a big man MUST gain comfort in making passes and looking to score in the flow of the offense. Goodness knows we had bigs who never handled the ball as much as they did with the Knicks. Lou Amundson in particular was never asked to handle the ball and look to score as much has in NY and he actually showed improvement to the point of being functional. WCS has more talent than Amundson.

A 7'er shouldn't be dribbling like he's a guard when there's lot of players close to him. He'll do as other Triangle bigs have done and that is catch the ball and let his teammates cut thru. Then when no other defender is near he can take a dribble or 2 at most and make his post move or face up and either shoot it or 1 dribble drive. If a defender comes to double he'll have to pass. It's basic stuff he be asked to do in practice every single day. No different than Amundson had to learn. WCS will be put in the same situations that Amundson was put in which is how the Triangle works. You don't really hide bigs in this offense. They're featured. So WCS will have no choice but to get comfortable having a bigger role.

Lou admundson plays tough Willie stein does not. Also Lou was inconsistent in his play another red flag for stein here as his whole college career was mixed in inconsistency.

As I said in another thread, even with being inconsistent WCS still ended up as one of the top +/- players in the NCAA. He was doing something right to be that productive.

There's no doubt that WCS has more talent than Lou Amundson. I suspect that we would expect WCS to have a much greater impact and NBA career. You put WCS in the same role as Amundson and he'll shine.

You don't think was was one of the +- guys because he played on Kentucky? Do you think Wisconsin even makes the NCAA tourney if they trade Kaminsky for stein--- forget +- for one second

GustavBahler wrote:I remember Tyson showing a jump shot before he left. Looked like he had added a weapon to his arsenal and then just stopped shooting. WCS apparently shoots in practice but not in games. You never know if WCS will take the next step.
At 4 that is a big if.

I saw a comment that WCS made on rotoworld that he said he wants to be a great defensive player and in 3/4 years he wants to become a good offensive player as well. I would of rather heard him say he wants to work on his offensive game right away instead of hearing him say 3/4 years.

A 7 feet tall monster who can defend with the best of the best immediately, one who does not require any plays call for him, which will allow chuckers like Carmelo and THJ to continue to jack up shots. He is a hell of a rebounder, and can defend PGs from penetrating the paint. WCS defense is so good, he helps the entire squad to look good. The game has changed from in the paint posting big to a spread the floor with stretch bigs. We have to chage with the game like GS and the Spurs to be relevant. WCS is my choice at 4; specifically, if Russell, Towns are not on the board.

Knicks1969 wrote:I don't understand the fear in drafting Stein at 4.

A 7 feet tall monster who can defend with the best of the best immediately, one who does not require any plays call for him, which will allow chuckers like Carmelo and THJ to continue to jack up shots. He is a hell of a rebounder, and can defend PGs from penetrating the paint. WCS defense is so good, he helps the entire squad to look good. The game has changed from in the paint posting big to a spread the floor with stretch bigs. We have to chage with the game like GS and the Spurs to be relevant. WCS is my choice at 4; specifically, if Russell, Towns are not on the board.

Here's another interview where he talks about his focus on offense and his staying one more year helped his maturity.

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2015/05/12/20150512-draft-combine-willie-cauley-stein.nba/

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Knicks1969 wrote:I don't understand the fear in drafting Stein at 4.

A 7 feet tall monster who can defend with the best of the best immediately, one who does not require any plays call for him, which will allow chuckers like Carmelo and THJ to continue to jack up shots. He is a hell of a rebounder, and can defend PGs from penetrating the paint. WCS defense is so good, he helps the entire squad to look good. The game has changed from in the paint posting big to a spread the floor with stretch bigs. We have to chage with the game like GS and the Spurs to be relevant. WCS is my choice at 4; specifically, if Russell, Towns are not on the board.

What player on golden state reminds u of stein?

None, because his talent is rare. GS now simply goes small and best you with shooting and two-way players all over the court.

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newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I remember Tyson showing a jump shot before he left. Looked like he had added a weapon to his arsenal and then just stopped shooting. WCS apparently shoots in practice but not in games. You never know if WCS will take the next step.
At 4 that is a big if.

I saw a comment that WCS made on rotoworld that he said he wants to be a great defensive player and in 3/4 years he wants to become a good offensive player as well. I would of rather heard him say he wants to work on his offensive game right away instead of hearing him say 3/4 years.

Wait a minute he's also quoted as saying he's not worried about his defense and that he's solely focused on his offense right now.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/OMagicDaily/status/598189350032117760

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nixluva wrote:WCS is a 7'er, which puts him in a different class. You get a 7'er that has his kind of speed, agility, length and hops and you have a very known quantity in the NBA. We already know what kind of impact that kind of player has in the league. He's already a great PnR defender, rim protector and should only get better overall as he learns and perfects his game.

As for this idea that WCS should slow down as he puts on weight, that's not necessarily true. Sure if it's fat and not functional muscle, he might be slowed down. WCS won't be slowed down by functional muscle. They train these athletes for explosion and not like a body builder just getting big. Lebron was 240 lbs coming into the NBA, he isn't significantly slower now that he weighs about 250.

WCS is still a prospect and not a finished product. He still has upside and is actually already a pretty impactful player. The Knicks need what he brings to the table.

Straight to the "Dream" school for this one.

Stein is a multi-sport athlete who is not marginal at any of the sports he plays. He is a gifted 7 footer who IMO will soon dominate the league. He is so freakishly long and agile, to me, he will soon be Mr. New York. Playing at the Garden will incite this dude to bring it every night. Specifically, if he is told from the jump that he is THE man on defense. The same way Langston and Admunson found love for their efforts, Stein will be revered because it has been such a long time since we've been exposed to such talent

Yeah i think when he goes from being a part time player in college to a full time player in the NBA it will make him bring it every night. This also depends on him as well just like all of these kids nobody can predict how much these kids will give every game in the NBA. The ones that truly want it will give it their all and then you'll have some that don't want it as much and won't put the work needed to get better and that's something that we can't predict so we won't know until we see it just how much they want it.

This dude has expressed a desire to become a world class athleete. He wants to maintain his prowess on defense, but put in more time developing his offensive game. Howard who happens to have the worst footwork I have ever seen in a big man; he has been putting in time learning from a big men coach like Olajuwan, but has now learn a few moves in the post. I expect Stein to do the same

Knicks1969 wrote:A 7 feet defender that can pick a PG at full court and still has the agility to recover and block a shot or rebound the ball in the paint? Not even Deandre Jordan can do that.