FistOfOakley wrote:again... kaminsky came out as a senior.... he's older than a lot of these guys by 3 years.... he's older than stein by a year... that matters a lot in the draft....

being slightly better than these guys now doesn't mean much...

Come on, man- you can use the age thing with Kaminsky and Winslow, Russell, Porzingis, etc., but not with Kaminsky and Stein.

What you should look at is how each progressed during their years in college, and the difference is beyond night and day.

Honestly, look at their respective stats and tell me which showed player growth and which was statistically stagnant.

WaltLongmire wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:again... kaminsky came out as a senior.... he's older than a lot of these guys by 3 years.... he's older than stein by a year... that matters a lot in the draft....

being slightly better than these guys now doesn't mean much...

Come on, man- you can use the age thing with Kaminsky and Winslow, Russell, Porzingis, etc., but not with Kaminsky and Stein.

What you should look at is how each progressed during their years in college, and the difference is beyond night and day.

Honestly, look at their respective stats and tell me which showed player growth and which was statistically stagnant.

Still doesn't mean WCS won't progress and it doesn't mean Kaminsky will have the same impact on the NBA level that he had on the collegiate level. Kaminsky will likely be a good NBA player but he's not changing the way your team defends all by himself. He's got some good offensive skills but he's not likely to be dominant at the next level with his less than special athletic ability and length. IMO Kaminsky is probably going to be similar to Kevin Love. Great numbers not so great impact.

Bonn1997 wrote:How do you know Love doesn't impact the game? It's not like his team played each game with or without him. You could look at stats like win shares (which you normally do) but they won't support your claim.
He was the biggest change the T-Wolves made and they lost 24 more games. You're saying 0 or very few of those 24 are because of Love?

its the cool thing to say yet its completely baseless.

Rosey wrote:No harm bringing Kaminsky in for a workout. Knicks should leave no stone unturned. I think Kaminsky can be a real good rotation player - a solid starter. Knicks just don't have enough overall talent for me to feel comfortable taking him as high as #4. If Knicks trade down and/or somehow acquire another pick in the #7-#10 range - then he's a solid pick.

yeah ... kaminsky at 4 is reckless

BRIGGS wrote:Staying realistic---thinking that we cannot get another rd 1 pick this year--but a high 2 within reasonable expectations--Id take a draft of Kaminsky and Fuzaro and be happy with it. If a guy like a Connughton Powell or Tokoto fell well into rd 2 maybe a 2nd 2(I think Mickey will go in the top 25 and as high as 16). Then we can concentrate in UDFA for a guy or 2 to bring to SL as it will also be a nice avenue this year. I DO NOT EXPECT Okafor D Russell or Towns will be on the board in ANY scenario at 4. Then I just think Kaminsky is the next best choice for this team whether by trade down or not. And Id like to develop Fuzaro for our 6th man role for the long term. We can start Fuzaro out at Westchester training him as a combination PG SG. I think by year 3 he has 6th man of the year NBA like potential as well as MSG super fan favorite and a long great career as a wining Knick.

Well...Phil already interviewed Kaminsky.....If he thought Kaminsky was worlth a draft pick, he would've scheduled a workout, similar to Payne. Or maybe he see Kaminsky as someone that doesn't fill a need. Vs Winslow, Stein and Payne who fills multiple needs. Phils a smart guy and he's been around a lot of talent. I'm sure he enjoys Kaminsky's game, which is why he gave him high praise. That doesn't mean he fits a need for this team. Maybe Phil thinks Kaminsky makes our defensive need even weaker. I don't know....just a thought.

Was a beast and presented match-up problems in College which will be somewhat lessened in the pro game. Should have a very nice Pro Career. If the Knicks want Kaminski, they need to trade down as they should be able to get him lower.