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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
6/6/2015 2:44 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Faried has had some injury issues, no? He's also a smaller PF, Come on, yellowfellow, he's still small, and using advanced computer analysis I measured his vertical leab as 34'.40". People also shrink as they age- poor guy is probably down to 6'3" for goodness sake- its the hair that makes him seem bigger.  Better than Thompson on offense as far as shooting goes, but still a limited shooter.
He's a warrior, though- at least when things were going better in Denver- don't know about now. One issue- don't think he's played much more than 28.1 MPG in his entire career. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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smackeddog
Posts: 38391 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
6/6/2015 3:09 AM LAST EDITED: 6/6/2015 3:32 AM
No to Lawson- I used to like him, but the past few years his attitude has gone downhill. I read he doesn't love bball, he'll turn up, clock in his hours and that's about it. Doesn't fit our system either. Isn't he a bad defender too? And usually injured. He is desperate for a trade though. The thing I don't like about it it essentially losing control of our draft- at 4 we can pick whoever impresses us the most, be it Mudiay, Winslow, WCS, Kaminsky, Porzingis, whatever, at 7, you're pretty much stuck with whoever is left.
However, I suspect this rumour may be true (maybe we pick Lyles)- he certainly fits our usual draft day trade criteria (injury prone, big contract, questionable attitude), plus Phil has been speaking a lot about the need for a player that can penetrate. Just remember he is an awful defender, and also remember: Lawson failing to show is the latest in a string of incidents that have upset management in the past two years. He had a domestic incident in the summer of 2013, a case that was eventually dropped. He missed a team breakfast meeting late last season and was held out of the starting lineup. In January he was arrested on suspicion of DUI. |
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knickscity
Posts: 24533 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/2/2012 Member: #4241 USA |
6/6/2015 4:26 AM
H1AND1 wrote:Ugh. That would be a disaster. Trade our first high pick in years for a perennially injured PG. Double frigging ugh. The rumore is Ty Lawson not Kyrie. |
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yellowboy90
Posts: 33942 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/23/2011 Member: #3538 |
6/6/2015 5:07 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Faried has had some injury issues, no? He's also a smaller PF, No I agree with you that he is undersized but he still rebounds like a tall guy. Like I said I'm just making a fuss because of the Tristan thompson love(nothing wrong with that). Also I like him as a backup. Yes, a very expensive 6 man but not more expensive than the last 3rd big(Amar'e) |
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earthmansurfer
Posts: 24005 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/26/2005 Member: #858 Germany |
6/6/2015 7:35 AM
The last 4 years Ty has shot like 36% or less from 3. That is critical for the triangle. Yeah, he gets a lot of assists, but I have the feeling
this is going to come back and bite us. I'll take my chances with the draft. I just don't know if we can assemble what we want, even if we get rid of Calderon. The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
6/6/2015 7:43 AM LAST EDITED: 6/6/2015 7:46 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:The last 4 years Ty has shot like 36% or less from 3. That is critical for the triangle. Yeah, he gets a lot of assists, but I have the feeling 36% is good from 3 point range - that's like 54% on 2s. |
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yellowboy90
Posts: 33942 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/23/2011 Member: #3538 |
6/6/2015 8:19 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:The last 4 years Ty has shot like 36% or less from 3. That is critical for the triangle. Yeah, he gets a lot of assists, but I have the feeling Strictly talking about the Lawson and #7 for Jose and the #4 is kind of around market value, swap lottery and 1st rd plus 2nd rd in most cases. Lawson takes the place of the 1st and Calderon is the second rd pick and the price for getting into the top 5. If that deal was on the table I would rather keep Calderon and push for more picks. Phil needs to get future picks not unload dead weight. I seriously doubt he sees Calderon as dead weight. |
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shinmen
Posts: 20366 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/7/2015 Member: #6029 France |
6/6/2015 8:24 AM
No way we should make this trade. We can still use Calderon as a sg in the second unit. If Phil really doens't want him. Stretch him, in one year with the salary cap explloding, it will be insignificant. We have given up enough assets in the last few years. Shved was penetrating very well last year and he won't command as much money.
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
6/6/2015 8:24 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:The last 4 years Ty has shot like 36% or less from 3. That is critical for the triangle. Yeah, he gets a lot of assists, but I have the feeling I don't know. There were a lot of reports of the Knicks trying to get rid of Calderon during the year. You really think the difference between picks 4 and 7 is comparable to the difference between Calderon and Lawson? |
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H1AND1
Posts: 21747 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/9/2013 Member: #5648 |
6/6/2015 8:33 AM LAST EDITED: 6/6/2015 8:34 AM
knickscity wrote:H1AND1 wrote:Ugh. That would be a disaster. Trade our first high pick in years for a perennially injured PG. Double frigging ugh. Lawson has played over 80 games only one season in his career and is not a good 3 point shooter. That's why I'm Not a fan. |
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
6/6/2015 8:37 AM
H1AND1 wrote:knickscity wrote:H1AND1 wrote:Ugh. That would be a disaster. Trade our first high pick in years for a perennially injured PG. Double frigging ugh. Over 80? That would mean seasons where he's missed only 1 game? That's a pretty high standard. Melo has missed that in each of the past eleven years |
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
6/6/2015 8:55 AM LAST EDITED: 6/6/2015 8:59 AM
Based on 2013-14, I believe the average player was healthy for at most 70.9 games (and probably less). I'm calculating that since all I can find is that the 30 teams lost 4989 player appearances in games due to injury. That's 166.3 per team and 11.09 per player assuming a 15 man roster. (It's probably more games missed per player since not all teams have 15 man rosters.) During his career, Lawson played in 69.3 games per season. I don't know if those missed games were all due to injury or some were DNP-CDs, though. Either way, his injury history looks average and doesn't seem worthy of discussion.
The only reason not to do this trade would be if you want to argue that we need to do everything possible to get a franchise player and we're more likely to get that at #4 than 7. Even if we're unlikely to get a franchise player at either position and this trade is a good overall gamble, you'd argue the slight decrease in likelihood of getting a franchise player at 7 than 4 is more important. If we were committed to long-term rebuilding, I'd go along with this argument. |
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yellowboy90
Posts: 33942 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/23/2011 Member: #3538 |
6/6/2015 8:56 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:The last 4 years Ty has shot like 36% or less from 3. That is critical for the triangle. Yeah, he gets a lot of assists, but I have the feeling that's a good question but they might see Mudiay so much further ahead of the pack and any available pg. |