WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:absolutely not... that is bonkers...

OMG these replies are ludicrous.

I highly doubt we will see WCS putting up 10-8 2-2 anyitme soon and thats just Dieng
Then you are talking potential NBA superstar guard in the making in Lavine
NBA 6th man of the year potential in Muhammed
and an under rated under the radar C who would be GREAT for the triangle in Hamilton and then you have two picks which could end up being Mickey and Fuzaro which either could also be better than anyone picked at 4?!?!

Ive followed the beat writer for Minnesota--Flip dishes him and he LOVES Porzingis loves him. If we could hit them up like this we could change our team.

Actually I think WCS could actually put up better than 10-8 and he could match 2-2. Let's not get into hyperbole to try and make a point.

I still don't understand why Minny would make such a deal. It seems like a huge gamble for the #4 pick. Why wouldn't they just keep their collection of talent rather than send it out for basically one prospect?

The beat writer for the Wolves has been talking about Porzingis for 2 months. he has broken news before its happened a few times. He thinks Flip believes Kristaps is KG #2.

Minny taking Porzingis throws Russell or OK4 into the mix with Mudiay at #4, though, unless LA stuns and takes Russell, which means Philly decides our fate.

A lot depends on how good Saunders thinks Dieng is, since he would be the protection for Porzingis as he matures.

Briggs, this would be the one scenario where we could actually choose from Towns or OK4.

Stranger things have happened, I suppose.

Porzingis worked out at some park in Brooklyn, the other day and heads to Las Vegas for the kind of workout we've seen from Towns and others. Not sure he is doing private workouts.

I dont see any scenario where either of the bigs fall.

This is from 6 weeks ago.

Flip Saunders made his way to Europe to do some scouting, particularly to see Sevilla forward Kristaps Porzingis, who is projected as a lottery pick. Scuttlebutt has it that Flip thinks very highly of Porzingis, and depending on how the lottery plays out, may consider him for the Wolves as high as pick #3. It isn't exactly clear what qualifies Porzingis as a high lottery pick, but...well, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it, I guess.

Wouldn't one of them have to fall if Porzingis is in the mix before us?

Towns
OK4
Russell

You add Porzingis to this group and you get at least one of them.

That's exactly what i'll be hoping for is for someone besides one of those three to get picked 1,2 or 3. The two with the best chance are Porzingis and Mudiay bit if WCS can really impress in some workouts by showing more offense then you never know but more likely it would be one of Porzingis/Mudiay.

NY sends out early and #4

Ny get s pick # 7 (Frank Kaminsky) Giorugi Dieng Shabazz Muhammed pick 31

Denver gets Zach Lavine Cleanthony Early Denver gives up pick #7

Minnesota Gets pick #4

BRIGGS wrote:Mutation of this trade

NY sends out early and #4

Ny get s pick # 7 (Frank Kaminsky) Giorugi Dieng Shabazz Muhammed pick 31

Denver gets Zach Lavine Cleanthony Early Denver gives up pick #7

Minnesota Gets pick #4

EwingsGlass wrote:Trade Rape Alert. Wanted: 6'5 GUY FROM CENTRAL CT FOR MASSIVE ABUSE OF A MAJOR MINNESOTA SPORTS FRANCHISE.

Take that deal and make up an alibi. You will not get that much talent in any other oppprtunity.

Seems like a lot of Knick fans would not do it--so Im not sure about rape. Pick #4 we have top ask for a lot.

I could leave the 35 pick(but I would ask for it first and stay with it a bit) on the table for them to replenish a bit but Lavine Dieng Muhammed and pick 31 is the minimum.

It gives us

A--starting C

B--6-5 staring CG to go along with Schveyd(who I am super high on)

C a 6th man of the year type in Muhammed

Pick 31 a good pick

Also I have not changed our cap--with cutt8ing Calderon we still have 31mm to spend.

Were talking pick 4 here folks--If Flip wanted to guarantee he got POrzingis its pick #4

Line up before free agency

C--Dieng

PF open

SF Anthony

SG Lavine

PG Schveyd

6th man Muhammed

SG Hardaway

PG Galloway

Pick 31 Id go Mickey if hes there then Fuzaro. Id also be willing to trade Hardaway to get BOTH Mickey and Fuzaro with pick 31. I think Mickey is vastly under rated. Listening to Austin Ainge talking about Mickey today saying that most of the great defenders in the NBA over the last 25 years were his size but Mickey also has an offensive game at 20 years old.

I think NBA players like Lavine a lot. They know their own guys--he's already made a nice name for himself. This "could" help us in free agency.

newyorker4ever wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:This is true,

It would diminish our cap though...no?

Also noticed Saunders also came back to Minny in 2013, before that draft. He picked up Dieng and Muhammed in a trade, and then Lavine, in the following draft.

Have to say that he might not want to give those guys up at this point, even if he likes Porzingis.

I never said Minny would make the trade. I think people are forgetting that this is just Briggs making up a trade suggestion on a message board and then us fans making posts saying if we'd do it or not but some people freak out like this is Phil and Flip actually talking. LOL So to be clear i don't think Flip would do that deal but in our fantasy world here if i was Phil Jackson and that deal was on the table i would do it.

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Trade Rape Alert. Wanted: 6'5 GUY FROM CENTRAL CT FOR MASSIVE ABUSE OF A MAJOR MINNESOTA SPORTS FRANCHISE.

Take that deal and make up an alibi. You will not get that much talent in any other oppprtunity.

Seems like a lot of Knick fans would not do it--so Im not sure about rape. Pick #4 we have top ask for a lot.

I could leave the 35 pick(but I would ask for it first and stay with it a bit) on the table for them to replenish a bit but Lavine Dieng Muhammed and pick 31 is the minimum.

It gives us

A--starting C

B--6-5 staring CG to go along with Schveyd(who I am super high on)

C a 6th man of the year type in Muhammed

Pick 31 a good pick

Also I have not changed our cap--with cutt8ing Calderon we still have 31mm to spend.

Were talking pick 4 here folks--If Flip wanted to guarantee he got POrzingis its pick #4

Line up before free agency

C--Dieng

PF open

SF Anthony

SG Lavine

PG Schveyd

6th man Muhammed

SG Hardaway

PG Galloway

Pick 31 Id go Mickey if hes there then Fuzaro. Id also be willing to trade Hardaway to get BOTH Mickey and Fuzaro with pick 31. I think Mickey is vastly under rated. Listening to Austin Ainge talking about Mickey today saying that most of the great defenders in the NBA over the last 25 years were his size but Mickey also has an offensive game at 20 years old.

I think NBA players like Lavine a lot. They know their own guys--he's already made a nice name for himself. This "could" help us in free agency.

People not wanting to do that trade want the nostalgia of a homegrown talent and are not evaluating talent. I love the idea of drafting Justise Winslow, but you have 6 roster spots with one 4 draft pick. Even 31 and 35 have value...to us. And the 31 pick could outperform the 4 in this draft. You want Mudiay...Lavine fills that role and hedge losses. Overwhelmingly in favor of the Knicks.

Follow up with a trade of Melo and finish the rebuild. You get the 2 from the Lakers and we are good.

EwingsGlass wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Trade Rape Alert. Wanted: 6'5 GUY FROM CENTRAL CT FOR MASSIVE ABUSE OF A MAJOR MINNESOTA SPORTS FRANCHISE.

Take that deal and make up an alibi. You will not get that much talent in any other oppprtunity.

Seems like a lot of Knick fans would not do it--so Im not sure about rape. Pick #4 we have top ask for a lot.

I could leave the 35 pick(but I would ask for it first and stay with it a bit) on the table for them to replenish a bit but Lavine Dieng Muhammed and pick 31 is the minimum.

It gives us

A--starting C

B--6-5 staring CG to go along with Schveyd(who I am super high on)

C a 6th man of the year type in Muhammed

Pick 31 a good pick

Also I have not changed our cap--with cutt8ing Calderon we still have 31mm to spend.

Were talking pick 4 here folks--If Flip wanted to guarantee he got POrzingis its pick #4

Line up before free agency

C--Dieng

PF open

SF Anthony

SG Lavine

PG Schveyd

6th man Muhammed

SG Hardaway

PG Galloway

Pick 31 Id go Mickey if hes there then Fuzaro. Id also be willing to trade Hardaway to get BOTH Mickey and Fuzaro with pick 31. I think Mickey is vastly under rated. Listening to Austin Ainge talking about Mickey today saying that most of the great defenders in the NBA over the last 25 years were his size but Mickey also has an offensive game at 20 years old.

I think NBA players like Lavine a lot. They know their own guys--he's already made a nice name for himself. This "could" help us in free agency.

People not wanting to do that trade want the nostalgia of a homegrown talent and are not evaluating talent. I love the idea of drafting Justise Winslow, but you have 6 roster spots with one 4 draft pick. Even 31 and 35 have value...to us. And the 31 pick could outperform the 4 in this draft. You want Mudiay...Lavine fills that role and hedge losses. Overwhelmingly in favor of the Knicks.

Follow up with a trade of Melo and finish the rebuild. You get the 2 from the Lakers and we are good.

A few other points.

Who says Mudiay is going to be better than Delon Wright Camerone Paine Grant anytime soon OR at all? If it was "me" Id take Okafor at 4 if he slips. No matter what anyone says Im not leaving a 6-11 260 pound C who just averaged near 20-10 shooting 67% as a freshmen on the board for a role playing C with focus problems coming to NYC---Ill take the guy from Duke. Also I wish I could let people listen to Austin Ainge talk about defense yesterday. He made a great point. Most of the great defenders of the last 20 years were roughly 6-7 or under Dennis Rodman Ben Wallace Scottie Pippen Dray Green Chauncey Billups Tony Allen etc... the 4th pick is going to cost the Knicks 3.5mm. If I could trade back and get a young player and two picks I might spend the same on 3 players that I am for one. Why cant Jordan Mickey be on good as defense or BETTER than WCS? I mean did anyone watch the Chicago combines or LSU? I think Mickey is more mobile and way better on offense/rebounding yet seems to help guard the rim just as well or better than Stein. and even if hes just behind him the cumulative parts I get on a trade out should amount to MUCH more considering the state of the Knicks roster.

3 guys I would trade from 4 Karl Towns(Id trade up for him) Jahill Okafor D Russell(and Russell barely makes it I waver on him a bit)--anyone else Winslow WCS Mudiay--Im not sold on for one pick--that would be option G in my book. And this is from a guy who preaches the draft for the last 15 years. In this case I think the value for the team is moving down IF something makes sense OR doing whatever it takes to move up to #1. That would be my number 1 strategy right now--giving Minnesota great deal for Towns. If that means trading Anythony pick 4 and a future 1 so be it.

EwingsGlass wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Trade Rape Alert. Wanted: 6'5 GUY FROM CENTRAL CT FOR MASSIVE ABUSE OF A MAJOR MINNESOTA SPORTS FRANCHISE.

Take that deal and make up an alibi. You will not get that much talent in any other oppprtunity.

Seems like a lot of Knick fans would not do it--so Im not sure about rape. Pick #4 we have top ask for a lot.

I could leave the 35 pick(but I would ask for it first and stay with it a bit) on the table for them to replenish a bit but Lavine Dieng Muhammed and pick 31 is the minimum.

It gives us

A--starting C

B--6-5 staring CG to go along with Schveyd(who I am super high on)

C a 6th man of the year type in Muhammed

Pick 31 a good pick

Also I have not changed our cap--with cutt8ing Calderon we still have 31mm to spend.

Were talking pick 4 here folks--If Flip wanted to guarantee he got POrzingis its pick #4

Line up before free agency

C--Dieng

PF open

SF Anthony

SG Lavine

PG Schveyd

6th man Muhammed

SG Hardaway

PG Galloway

Pick 31 Id go Mickey if hes there then Fuzaro. Id also be willing to trade Hardaway to get BOTH Mickey and Fuzaro with pick 31. I think Mickey is vastly under rated. Listening to Austin Ainge talking about Mickey today saying that most of the great defenders in the NBA over the last 25 years were his size but Mickey also has an offensive game at 20 years old.

I think NBA players like Lavine a lot. They know their own guys--he's already made a nice name for himself. This "could" help us in free agency.

People not wanting to do that trade want the nostalgia of a homegrown talent and are not evaluating talent. I love the idea of drafting Justise Winslow, but you have 6 roster spots with one 4 draft pick. Even 31 and 35 have value...to us. And the 31 pick could outperform the 4 in this draft. You want Mudiay...Lavine fills that role and hedge losses. Overwhelmingly in favor of the Knicks.

Follow up with a trade of Melo and finish the rebuild. You get the 2 from the Lakers and we are good.

A few other points.

Who says Mudiay is going to be better than Delon Wright Camerone Paine Grant anytime soon OR at all? If it was "me" Id take Okafor at 4 if he slips. No matter what anyone says Im not leaving a 6-11 260 pound C who just averaged near 20-10 shooting 67% as a freshmen on the board for a role playing C with focus problems coming to NYC---Ill take the guy from Duke. Also I wish I could let people listen to Austin Ainge talk about defense yesterday. He made a great point. Most of the great defenders of the last 20 years were roughly 6-7 or under Dennis Rodman Ben Wallace Scottie Pippen Dray Green Chauncey Billups Tony Allen etc... the 4th pick is going to cost the Knicks 3.5mm. If I could trade back and get a young player and two picks I might spend the same on 3 players that I am for one. Why cant Jordan Mickey be on good as defense or BETTER than WCS? I mean did anyone watch the Chicago combines or LSU? I think Mickey is more mobile and way better on offense/rebounding yet seems to help guard the rim just as well or better than Stein. and even if hes just behind him the cumulative parts I get on a trade out should amount to MUCH more considering the state of the Knicks roster.

3 guys I would trade from 4 Karl Towns(Id trade up for him) Jahill Okafor D Russell(and Russell barely makes it I waver on him a bit)--anyone else Winslow WCS Mudiay--Im not sold on for one pick--that would be option G in my book. And this is from a guy who preaches the draft for the last 15 years. In this case I think the value for the team is moving down IF something makes sense OR doing whatever it takes to move up to #1. That would be my number 1 strategy right now--giving Minnesota great deal for Towns. If that means trading Anythony pick 4 and a future 1 so be it.

I am pretty set with Russell. My only doubt is the Adam Morrison argument -- skilled player that rocks it in college but doesn't have the athleticism to keep it going in the NBA... that said, his combine numbers (vertical, wingspan) are pushing me past any possible doubt. 6'5 lefty with a 6'10 wingspan and a 39" max vertical, high basketball IQ, passing ability and good shooting percentages? Philly press is starting to call him Evan Turner 2.0. He may fall.

That would give us 3 rotational players
who all have been 1st round picks in the last two years
and two what I would call highly valuable high 2's

How much is the 4th pick in a draft worth? Were NOT getting a star here--were getting 3 rotational players and 2 second round draft picks--IMHO FAIR compensation. If you feel you are getting KG 2 then why wouldnt you pay up? They are still stacked all over the place. For us the CUMULATIVE take would be ENORMOUS it would really give us 6 draft picks in the last two years for one top tier 1 and we give up Cleananthony.