smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

RonRon wrote:Mudiay has potential to be a TOP TIER PG like John Wall

The Triangle NEEDS ALL STAR TALENTS

We have no TOP STARS

Shaq/Kobe, Pau Gasol/Bynum/Kobe/Odom/Ariza, Jordan/Pippen/Kukoc/Rodman

Because of his potential, a team will likely be more willing to trade more for him especially Philly who has multiple assets and could use Muddiay and Russell for their future, and we take back

Muddiay
Russell
Dario Saric/Covington
Embid/Covington *as a stretch 4 with Saric*
Noel

with plenty of young rotational player on the minimum with many more draft picks as well, along with the cap space in 2017 to sign 2 MAX TOP TIER FA's

IF A TEAM IS WILLING TO PAY a premium in a trade due to his potential, we could consider it as well like

Mudiay for

Tony Wroten
2-3 1st rounders (one less if they take Calderon's contract)
LA's top 3 protected pick
Miami's TOP 10 protected pick
Philly's future pick

5 2nd rounders in this draft that we could use or stash
and other future 2nd rounders, with 2 1st rounders being the minimum depending on which 1st rounders they give up

Why are you guys so quick to compare this kid to Wall or Westbrook? Do you realise how much more advance those two players were right out of college? This Mudiay dude does not have the skills of neither of those guys

From what I have seen of him he reminds me of Jason Kidd coming out of Cal. Big, fast with great court vision. He could end up being te best player in the draft. Also, Kidd couldn't hit the three coming out of college and evolved into a good 3 pt shooter.

Wow, great comparison Crush. I can definitely see that.

While it maybe a decent comparison, this isn't 1997 when shooting 3's was a luxury, not mandatory as it is now. If you have a guard that can't shoot 3's in the triangle, he's almost worthless, and that's probably in any system in today's NBA. It's all about drive and kick, opening up the paint. How can you do that with a pg that shoots 30% from 3, phil system may not rely on 3's, but he had snipers on everyone of his championship rosters. From Kerr, BJ, Paxson, farmer, harper, fisher, kobe, jordan, and less forget the amount of energy pg's have to spend on defense with so many talent pg's in the nba. So having a reliable pg who can knock down a 3 is definitely mandatory IMO.

John Wall disagrees

maybe if wall could shoot threes then they would get further in the playoffs

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

RonRon wrote:Mudiay has potential to be a TOP TIER PG like John Wall

The Triangle NEEDS ALL STAR TALENTS

We have no TOP STARS

Shaq/Kobe, Pau Gasol/Bynum/Kobe/Odom/Ariza, Jordan/Pippen/Kukoc/Rodman

Because of his potential, a team will likely be more willing to trade more for him especially Philly who has multiple assets and could use Muddiay and Russell for their future, and we take back

Muddiay
Russell
Dario Saric/Covington
Embid/Covington *as a stretch 4 with Saric*
Noel

with plenty of young rotational player on the minimum with many more draft picks as well, along with the cap space in 2017 to sign 2 MAX TOP TIER FA's

IF A TEAM IS WILLING TO PAY a premium in a trade due to his potential, we could consider it as well like

Mudiay for

Tony Wroten
2-3 1st rounders (one less if they take Calderon's contract)
LA's top 3 protected pick
Miami's TOP 10 protected pick
Philly's future pick

5 2nd rounders in this draft that we could use or stash
and other future 2nd rounders, with 2 1st rounders being the minimum depending on which 1st rounders they give up

Why are you guys so quick to compare this kid to Wall or Westbrook? Do you realise how much more advance those two players were right out of college? This Mudiay dude does not have the skills of neither of those guys

From what I have seen of him he reminds me of Jason Kidd coming out of Cal. Big, fast with great court vision. He could end up being te best player in the draft. Also, Kidd couldn't hit the three coming out of college and evolved into a good 3 pt shooter.

Wow, great comparison Crush. I can definitely see that.

While it maybe a decent comparison, this isn't 1997 when shooting 3's was a luxury, not mandatory as it is now. If you have a guard that can't shoot 3's in the triangle, he's almost worthless, and that's probably in any system in today's NBA. It's all about drive and kick, opening up the paint. How can you do that with a pg that shoots 30% from 3, phil system may not rely on 3's, but he had snipers on everyone of his championship rosters. From Kerr, BJ, Paxson, farmer, harper, fisher, kobe, jordan, and less forget the amount of energy pg's have to spend on defense with so many talent pg's in the nba. So having a reliable pg who can knock down a 3 is definitely mandatory IMO.

John Wall disagrees

maybe if wall could shoot threes then they would get further in the playoffs

jbeachboy wrote:so like if sixers and knicks pass on mudiay, he may fall to 11th or around when teams need a point guard

Denver are looking to move Lawson, so they will be likely looking for a PG

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

RonRon wrote:Mudiay has potential to be a TOP TIER PG like John Wall

The Triangle NEEDS ALL STAR TALENTS

We have no TOP STARS

Shaq/Kobe, Pau Gasol/Bynum/Kobe/Odom/Ariza, Jordan/Pippen/Kukoc/Rodman

Because of his potential, a team will likely be more willing to trade more for him especially Philly who has multiple assets and could use Muddiay and Russell for their future, and we take back

Muddiay
Russell
Dario Saric/Covington
Embid/Covington *as a stretch 4 with Saric*
Noel

with plenty of young rotational player on the minimum with many more draft picks as well, along with the cap space in 2017 to sign 2 MAX TOP TIER FA's

IF A TEAM IS WILLING TO PAY a premium in a trade due to his potential, we could consider it as well like

Mudiay for

Tony Wroten
2-3 1st rounders (one less if they take Calderon's contract)
LA's top 3 protected pick
Miami's TOP 10 protected pick
Philly's future pick

5 2nd rounders in this draft that we could use or stash
and other future 2nd rounders, with 2 1st rounders being the minimum depending on which 1st rounders they give up

Why are you guys so quick to compare this kid to Wall or Westbrook? Do you realise how much more advance those two players were right out of college? This Mudiay dude does not have the skills of neither of those guys

From what I have seen of him he reminds me of Jason Kidd coming out of Cal. Big, fast with great court vision. He could end up being te best player in the draft. Also, Kidd couldn't hit the three coming out of college and evolved into a good 3 pt shooter.

Wow, great comparison Crush. I can definitely see that.

While it maybe a decent comparison, this isn't 1997 when shooting 3's was a luxury, not mandatory as it is now. If you have a guard that can't shoot 3's in the triangle, he's almost worthless, and that's probably in any system in today's NBA. It's all about drive and kick, opening up the paint. How can you do that with a pg that shoots 30% from 3, phil system may not rely on 3's, but he had snipers on everyone of his championship rosters. From Kerr, BJ, Paxson, farmer, harper, fisher, kobe, jordan, and less forget the amount of energy pg's have to spend on defense with so many talent pg's in the nba. So having a reliable pg who can knock down a 3 is definitely mandatory IMO.

John Wall disagrees

maybe if wall could shoot threes then they would get further in the playoffs

If Wall didn't have fractures in his hand and wrist they probably advance.

so is wall your argument against 3's?

Ilovestarks wrote:Mudiay seems unmotivated/exhaustes in all workout videos... He is missing winner/warrior/eye if rhe tiger quality
Some 1994 Knick DNA is desperately needed for this team

Yeah, I noticed that- it's very off-putting. I must say I was looking forward to finding out more about Mudiay, but I'm disappointed in what I've seen so far- his stock seems to be based solely on hype from over a year ago. I like his personality in interviews, but I don't think he's particularly athletic or skilled. His body looks nba ready, but beyond that I have big doubts.

I like Mudiay at 4 if available, I'm not going to change on this. I personally think he brings more to the table than the other choices at 4.

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

RonRon wrote:Mudiay has potential to be a TOP TIER PG like John Wall

The Triangle NEEDS ALL STAR TALENTS

We have no TOP STARS

Shaq/Kobe, Pau Gasol/Bynum/Kobe/Odom/Ariza, Jordan/Pippen/Kukoc/Rodman

Because of his potential, a team will likely be more willing to trade more for him especially Philly who has multiple assets and could use Muddiay and Russell for their future, and we take back

Muddiay
Russell
Dario Saric/Covington
Embid/Covington *as a stretch 4 with Saric*
Noel

with plenty of young rotational player on the minimum with many more draft picks as well, along with the cap space in 2017 to sign 2 MAX TOP TIER FA's

IF A TEAM IS WILLING TO PAY a premium in a trade due to his potential, we could consider it as well like

Mudiay for

Tony Wroten
2-3 1st rounders (one less if they take Calderon's contract)
LA's top 3 protected pick
Miami's TOP 10 protected pick
Philly's future pick

5 2nd rounders in this draft that we could use or stash
and other future 2nd rounders, with 2 1st rounders being the minimum depending on which 1st rounders they give up

Why are you guys so quick to compare this kid to Wall or Westbrook? Do you realise how much more advance those two players were right out of college? This Mudiay dude does not have the skills of neither of those guys

From what I have seen of him he reminds me of Jason Kidd coming out of Cal. Big, fast with great court vision. He could end up being te best player in the draft. Also, Kidd couldn't hit the three coming out of college and evolved into a good 3 pt shooter.

Wow, great comparison Crush. I can definitely see that.

While it maybe a decent comparison, this isn't 1997 when shooting 3's was a luxury, not mandatory as it is now. If you have a guard that can't shoot 3's in the triangle, he's almost worthless, and that's probably in any system in today's NBA. It's all about drive and kick, opening up the paint. How can you do that with a pg that shoots 30% from 3, phil system may not rely on 3's, but he had snipers on everyone of his championship rosters. From Kerr, BJ, Paxson, farmer, harper, fisher, kobe, jordan, and less forget the amount of energy pg's have to spend on defense with so many talent pg's in the nba. So having a reliable pg who can knock down a 3 is definitely mandatory IMO.

John Wall disagrees

maybe if wall could shoot threes then they would get further in the playoffs

If Wall didn't have fractures in his hand and wrist they probably advance.

so is wall your argument against 3's?

No, my argument isn't against 3s (obviously if a player is good at shooting them then that's a plus), what I object to is this whole "there's only one way to win" spiel coming out of the metrics camp- a player and a PG can be a bad 3pt shooter and still have a positive impact if they are good at other things. Basketball is a very flexible game and there's more than one type of player and type of team that can thrive.

I don't disagree but a guard would have to be damn good at many other things to make up for being a weak 3 point shooter.

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

RonRon wrote:Mudiay has potential to be a TOP TIER PG like John Wall

The Triangle NEEDS ALL STAR TALENTS

We have no TOP STARS

Shaq/Kobe, Pau Gasol/Bynum/Kobe/Odom/Ariza, Jordan/Pippen/Kukoc/Rodman

Because of his potential, a team will likely be more willing to trade more for him especially Philly who has multiple assets and could use Muddiay and Russell for their future, and we take back

Muddiay
Russell
Dario Saric/Covington
Embid/Covington *as a stretch 4 with Saric*
Noel

with plenty of young rotational player on the minimum with many more draft picks as well, along with the cap space in 2017 to sign 2 MAX TOP TIER FA's

IF A TEAM IS WILLING TO PAY a premium in a trade due to his potential, we could consider it as well like

Mudiay for

Tony Wroten
2-3 1st rounders (one less if they take Calderon's contract)
LA's top 3 protected pick
Miami's TOP 10 protected pick
Philly's future pick

5 2nd rounders in this draft that we could use or stash
and other future 2nd rounders, with 2 1st rounders being the minimum depending on which 1st rounders they give up

Why are you guys so quick to compare this kid to Wall or Westbrook? Do you realise how much more advance those two players were right out of college? This Mudiay dude does not have the skills of neither of those guys

From what I have seen of him he reminds me of Jason Kidd coming out of Cal. Big, fast with great court vision. He could end up being te best player in the draft. Also, Kidd couldn't hit the three coming out of college and evolved into a good 3 pt shooter.

Wow, great comparison Crush. I can definitely see that.

While it maybe a decent comparison, this isn't 1997 when shooting 3's was a luxury, not mandatory as it is now. If you have a guard that can't shoot 3's in the triangle, he's almost worthless, and that's probably in any system in today's NBA. It's all about drive and kick, opening up the paint. How can you do that with a pg that shoots 30% from 3, phil system may not rely on 3's, but he had snipers on everyone of his championship rosters. From Kerr, BJ, Paxson, farmer, harper, fisher, kobe, jordan, and less forget the amount of energy pg's have to spend on defense with so many talent pg's in the nba. So having a reliable pg who can knock down a 3 is definitely mandatory IMO.

John Wall disagrees

maybe if wall could shoot threes then they would get further in the playoffs

If Wall didn't have fractures in his hand and wrist they probably advance.

so is wall your argument against 3's?

No, my argument isn't against 3s (obviously if a player is good at shooting them then that's a plus), what I object to is this whole "there's only one way to win" spiel coming out of the metrics camp- a player and a PG can be a bad 3pt shooter and still have a positive impact if they are good at other things. Basketball is a very flexible game and there's more than one type of player and type of team that can thrive.

Yes they do have many type of PG's, but everything in life has to have a balance in order to work smoothly. If you have a pg that's not a good 3pt shooter, then you best to have a bunch of them around him. With the type of player you have in your main scorer (melo) who's not really a spot up shooter and won't be sitting in one spot waiting, you have to give him as much room as possible, so when gets into his solo stance, he has options to swing the ball in the event of a double .

Im not against taking Mudiay, but just know that it just adds to your plate of things-to-do as far as balancing your roster