mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Right now Phil is getting the Glen Sather treatment. He is in control to the degree that any GM is in control at the whim of the owner. He can do what he feels is right which is about all we can ask. He pretty much sent everyone away except Melo so that's pretty strong right there. He's got about 2/3's of the roster to fill out. That's a huge deal. Dolan isn't gonna interfere on each and every one of Phil's acquisitions. What could he possible know about all these FA players and prospects? Going after Melo or Lebron is easy. Everyone knows they're stars. Actual team building is an entirely different matter. I think this is just more Self Hating Knick Fan garbage. Phil is making the final decisions.

I want to agree, but for instance - where do you think Phil is right now? Do you think he's in NY? Do you think he's on the beach in La Playa? Is he in Montana? Where do you think he is right now?

war room

I bet you $10 he's on the beach in CA right this minute.

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Right now Phil is getting the Glen Sather treatment. He is in control to the degree that any GM is in control at the whim of the owner. He can do what he feels is right which is about all we can ask. He pretty much sent everyone away except Melo so that's pretty strong right there. He's got about 2/3's of the roster to fill out. That's a huge deal. Dolan isn't gonna interfere on each and every one of Phil's acquisitions. What could he possible know about all these FA players and prospects? Going after Melo or Lebron is easy. Everyone knows they're stars. Actual team building is an entirely different matter. I think this is just more Self Hating Knick Fan garbage. Phil is making the final decisions.

I want to agree, but for instance - where do you think Phil is right now? Do you think he's in NY? Do you think he's on the beach in La Playa? Is he in Montana? Where do you think he is right now?

war room

I bet you $10 he's on the beach in CA right this minute.

thats his war room

he needs serenity to mull

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:if jackson can keep his conceitedness in check he should be seeking input and feedback from every corner before making the final decision himself and owning tat decision. that in itself would be refreshing, especially if it turns into a mistake. it is not likely that he is entertaining anything other than what has been discussed ad nauseam here and in other forums. but so far as the "isaiah factor" if the knicks draft mudiay or even russell it will be a sign of his meddling.

So if Phil drafts the highest talent on the board, Isiah must be involve, brilliant..

drafting the best player for the knicks is what phil will be doing. where your notion of "talent" fits in is anybody's guess, but whatever you deem talent is probably in sync with isaiah thomas's "values." birds of a feather: dolan, thomas, holfresh

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:if jackson can keep his conceitedness in check he should be seeking input and feedback from every corner before making the final decision himself and owning tat decision. that in itself would be refreshing, especially if it turns into a mistake. it is not likely that he is entertaining anything other than what has been discussed ad nauseam here and in other forums. but so far as the "isaiah factor" if the knicks draft mudiay or even russell it will be a sign of his meddling.

So if Phil drafts the highest talent on the board, Isiah must be involve, brilliant..

drafting the best player for the knicks is what phil will be doing. where your notion of "talent" fits in is anybody's guess, but whatever you deem talent is probably in sync with isaiah thomas's "values." birds of a feather: dolan, thomas, holfresh

So drafting the third or fourth rated prospect at 4 equals Isiah meddling?

your question is nonsensical

but so far as the "isaiah factor" if the knicks draft mudiay or even russell it will be a sign of his meddling.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:if jackson can keep his conceitedness in check he should be seeking input and feedback from every corner before making the final decision himself and owning tat decision. that in itself would be refreshing, especially if it turns into a mistake. it is not likely that he is entertaining anything other than what has been discussed ad nauseam here and in other forums. but so far as the "isaiah factor" if the knicks draft mudiay or even russell it will be a sign of his meddling.

So if Phil drafts the highest talent on the board, Isiah must be involve, brilliant..

drafting the best player for the knicks is what phil will be doing. where your notion of "talent" fits in is anybody's guess, but whatever you deem talent is probably in sync with isaiah thomas's "values." birds of a feather: dolan, thomas, holfresh

So drafting the third or fourth rated prospect at 4 equals Isiah meddling?

your question is nonsensical

Really? What is this?

but so far as the "isaiah factor" if the knicks draft mudiay or even russell it will be a sign of his meddling.

look at the title question to this thread. i am responding to that. so are you. that your preference aligns with thomas's merely cements the overall impression you give of basketball acumen.

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:if jackson can keep his conceitedness in check he should be seeking input and feedback from every corner before making the final decision himself and owning tat decision. that in itself would be refreshing, especially if it turns into a mistake. it is not likely that he is entertaining anything other than what has been discussed ad nauseam here and in other forums. but so far as the "isaiah factor" if the knicks draft mudiay or even russell it will be a sign of his meddling.

So if Phil drafts the highest talent on the board, Isiah must be involve, brilliant..

drafting the best player for the knicks is what phil will be doing. where your notion of "talent" fits in is anybody's guess, but whatever you deem talent is probably in sync with isaiah thomas's "values." birds of a feather: dolan, thomas, holfresh

So drafting the third or fourth rated prospect at 4 equals Isiah meddling?

your question is nonsensical

Really? What is this?

but so far as the "isaiah factor" if the knicks draft mudiay or even russell it will be a sign of his meddling.

Ha, I didn't see that comment the first time round. That's ridiculous- so if we selected the most likely, general consensus player available at the 4 spot, it's proof of Isiah's influence?!

look at the title question to this thread. i am responding to that. so are you. that your preference aligns with thomas's merely cements the overall impression you give of basketball acumen. what's ridiculous is the part of your post i bolded. look at it care.ful.ly

You've lost me

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:if jackson can keep his conceitedness in check he should be seeking input and feedback from every corner before making the final decision himself and owning tat decision. that in itself would be refreshing, especially if it turns into a mistake. it is not likely that he is entertaining anything other than what has been discussed ad nauseam here and in other forums. but so far as the "isaiah factor" if the knicks draft mudiay or even russell it will be a sign of his meddling.

So if Phil drafts the highest talent on the board, Isiah must be involve, brilliant..

drafting the best player for the knicks is what phil will be doing. where your notion of "talent" fits in is anybody's guess, but whatever you deem talent is probably in sync with isaiah thomas's "values." birds of a feather: dolan, thomas, holfresh

So drafting the third or fourth rated prospect at 4 equals Isiah meddling?

your question is nonsensical

Really? What is this?

but so far as the "isaiah factor" if the knicks draft mudiay or even russell it will be a sign of his meddling.

Ha, I didn't see that comment the first time round. That's ridiculous- so if we selected the most likely, general consensus player available at the 4 spot, it's proof of Isiah's influence?!

look at the title question to this thread. i am responding to that. so are you. that your preference aligns with thomas's merely cements the overall impression you give of basketball acumen. what's ridiculous is the part of your post i bolded. look at it care.ful.ly

You've lost me

where does it say that mudiay is the "most likely general consensus player at the 4 spot?" i hear a lot of wishful thinking but as with every other player 4-8 there is a ton of uncertainty. how you wrest "general consensus" from "uncertainty" merely betrays your wishful thinking, which in my opinion dovetails with isaiah thomas's values when it comes to acquiring players.

simply put, mudiay is an isaiah thomas-type of player and you like mudiay. no shame in that, except that isaiah was a horrible executive everywhere he went, making horrible decisions.

Go look at most mocks- that's the general consensus, it has N O T H I N G to do with IT, unless you think he's going around hypnotising every media draft guy.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Right now Phil is getting the Glen Sather treatment. He is in control to the degree that any GM is in control at the whim of the owner. He can do what he feels is right which is about all we can ask. He pretty much sent everyone away except Melo so that's pretty strong right there. He's got about 2/3's of the roster to fill out. That's a huge deal. Dolan isn't gonna interfere on each and every one of Phil's acquisitions. What could he possible know about all these FA players and prospects? Going after Melo or Lebron is easy. Everyone knows they're stars. Actual team building is an entirely different matter. I think this is just more Self Hating Knick Fan garbage. Phil is making the final decisions.

I want to agree, but for instance - where do you think Phil is right now? Do you think he's in NY? Do you think he's on the beach in La Playa? Is he in Montana? Where do you think he is right now?

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Right now Phil is getting the Glen Sather treatment. He is in control to the degree that any GM is in control at the whim of the owner. He can do what he feels is right which is about all we can ask. He pretty much sent everyone away except Melo so that's pretty strong right there. He's got about 2/3's of the roster to fill out. That's a huge deal. Dolan isn't gonna interfere on each and every one of Phil's acquisitions. What could he possible know about all these FA players and prospects? Going after Melo or Lebron is easy. Everyone knows they're stars. Actual team building is an entirely different matter. I think this is just more Self Hating Knick Fan garbage. Phil is making the final decisions.

I want to agree, but for instance - where do you think Phil is right now? Do you think he's in NY? Do you think he's on the beach in La Playa? Is he in Montana? Where do you think he is right now?

You're making a horrible argument on this and really not making any sense. What does where he is right now have to do with who's making the decisions??

I think Phil is making the decisions, but I worry about the amount of time he's putting into the job. And I think he's more set on proving the Triangle is the best system than making the Knicks a contending team. And I do worry that Isiah should truly be seen as waiting in the wings for Phil to falter or just retire...

crzymdups wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Right now Phil is getting the Glen Sather treatment. He is in control to the degree that any GM is in control at the whim of the owner. He can do what he feels is right which is about all we can ask. He pretty much sent everyone away except Melo so that's pretty strong right there. He's got about 2/3's of the roster to fill out. That's a huge deal. Dolan isn't gonna interfere on each and every one of Phil's acquisitions. What could he possible know about all these FA players and prospects? Going after Melo or Lebron is easy. Everyone knows they're stars. Actual team building is an entirely different matter. I think this is just more Self Hating Knick Fan garbage. Phil is making the final decisions.

I want to agree, but for instance - where do you think Phil is right now? Do you think he's in NY? Do you think he's on the beach in La Playa? Is he in Montana? Where do you think he is right now?

You're making a horrible argument on this and really not making any sense. What does where he is right now have to do with who's making the decisions??

I think Phil is making the decisions, but I worry about the amount of time he's putting into the job. And I think he's more set on proving the Triangle is the best system than making the Knicks a contending team. And I do worry that Isiah should truly be seen as waiting in the wings for Phil to falter or just retire...

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:if jackson can keep his conceitedness in check he should be seeking input and feedback from every corner before making the final decision himself and owning tat decision. that in itself would be refreshing, especially if it turns into a mistake. it is not likely that he is entertaining anything other than what has been discussed ad nauseam here and in other forums. but so far as the "isaiah factor" if the knicks draft mudiay or even russell it will be a sign of his meddling.

So if Phil drafts the highest talent on the board, Isiah must be involve, brilliant..

drafting the best player for the knicks is what phil will be doing. where your notion of "talent" fits in is anybody's guess, but whatever you deem talent is probably in sync with isaiah thomas's "values." birds of a feather: dolan, thomas, holfresh

So drafting the third or fourth rated prospect at 4 equals Isiah meddling?

your question is nonsensical

Really? What is this?

but so far as the "isaiah factor" if the knicks draft mudiay or even russell it will be a sign of his meddling.

Ha, I didn't see that comment the first time round. That's ridiculous- so if we selected the most likely, general consensus player available at the 4 spot, it's proof of Isiah's influence?!

look at the title question to this thread. i am responding to that. so are you. that your preference aligns with thomas's merely cements the overall impression you give of basketball acumen. what's ridiculous is the part of your post i bolded. look at it care.ful.ly

You've lost me

where does it say that mudiay is the "most likely general consensus player at the 4 spot?" i hear a lot of wishful thinking but as with every other player 4-8 there is a ton of uncertainty. how you wrest "general consensus" from "uncertainty" merely betrays your wishful thinking, which in my opinion dovetails with isaiah thomas's values when it comes to acquiring players.

simply put, mudiay is an isaiah thomas-type of player and you like mudiay. no shame in that, except that isaiah was a horrible executive everywhere he went, making horrible decisions.

The extent and topic area of your lack of knowledge/how wrong you are knows no bounds...
I know facts have little bearing in these discussions but I'll still try and present them...

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/55772/isiah-thomas-ranked-best-draft-gm

Isiah Thomas ranked best draft GM

Say what you want about Isiah Thomas’ tenure with the New York Knicks. The team made the playoffs just once and whiffed on several big-money free agents during Thomas’ time with the team.

But the man had an eye for talent.

There’s no denying that.

Just look at four of the guys he drafted with the Knicks: Trevor Ariza, David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Nate Robinson (technically drafted by the Phoenix Suns but acquired by the Knicks on a draft-day deal). All solid rotation players in the NBA.

So how does Thomas’ draft record stack up against other GMs?

One metric, put together by ESPN.com’s Tom Haberstroh, rates Thomas as the best draft-day GM in the NBA.

The evaluation is based on where Thomas selected in the draft and the value of each player he selected.

For instance, if two players add the same value to a team, but one is drafted lower than the other, the GM who drafted the player with the lower pick would get more credit.

So Thomas’ picks of Lee (No. 30 in 2005), Ariza (No. 43 in 2004), Chandler (No. 23 in 2007) and Robinson (No. 21 in 2005) boosted his resume.

Here’s Haberstroh on Thomas:

“Thomas put up an outstanding hit rate in the draft, no matter where he picked. His run of lottery picks in Toronto should be the stuff of lore. He started off by getting Damon Stoudamire with the No. 7 pick in 1995. Then with the No. 2 pick in 1996, he grabbed Defensive Player of the Year Marcus Camby. The following year in 1997, he nabbed some high schooler named Tracy McGrady at No. 9.

“... Thomas' average pick was the 23rd slot, but the talent he found was more like picking at sixth every year. That's an absurdly good return. The irony is that Thomas never quite grasped the value of draft picks; he couldn't wait to get rid of them, despite his overwhelming success on draft day.”

you are describing a scout. i am not interested in his scouting prowess. he had no idea how to put together a TEAM, which is the job of the GM.

can you really be this obtuse? i guess so.