Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Mudiay is nothing special folks. If he were special, he wouldn't be this afraid to showcase his talent. The dude played less then 15 games in China, a league that he couldn't even dominate; but most of you sound here would not mind drafting this unknown commodity with the 4th over all pick. Some of you cares not about total package and smarts; all you care about is a stupid dude that can jump and dunk without a jump shot.

Give me: Russell, towns, Winslow, Lyles, and this draft will be a complete success

Well the good thing about that is nobody on here will be making the pick and if Mudiay ends up being the pick it will be made by people who know much much more about the kid than you or anyone on here does and those people also know much much more about basketball than you or anyone on here so we will see what the big wigs do in less than a mobth.

Thanks to our dumb coach, we are in this situation. Had we ended up with one of the top three picks, we would be in a totally different position. When I mentioned that fact at the end of the season, newyork4ever blasted me; because he claimed that winning those two games will not be as detrimental as predicted.

Hahahahaha I'm glad to see you're over it and I'm sorry that you're having soooooooo much trouble with it still but maybe by this time next year you'll be able to let go?? Just sayin.

newyorker4ever wrote:

helloharv wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

helloharv wrote:If we don't draft Russell or Mudiay --- who is our legit PG ? there is nobody in free agency

You don't need a star at the PG spot in the triangle and if we brought in a couple starters down low and our top pick was ends up being Winslow or WCS or any other position besides PG then I think the combo of Calderon, Gallo and Shved could run the point for us just fine.

how did Jose do this past year? also those 3 were part of the worst season in knicks history

So I guess you just scanned right past the part where I said if we signed two starters down low and drafted another starter with our pick at another position which would give us 3 new starters to play next to Melo then we could get by with a combo of Calderon who I absolutely think will be better next year with actual talent around him and Gallo and Shved?? Did you miss all that??

What you failed to realize is that the game has changed drastically. The NBA is pushing an uptempo style which calls for teams to put up a lot of points; because that is what the spectators want to see. Having slowpo (Calderon) in the back court is not a good idea. Hoping that he will return and have a great year is wishful thinking.

The Spurs have recognized the shift five years ago and transitioned from a slow to an uptempo style. As a result, they've won two championships the last five years and have been to the finals three consecutive years. Trade or cut Calderon and coach our young boys to play uptempo

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Mudiay is nothing special folks. If he were special, he wouldn't be this afraid to showcase his talent. The dude played less then 15 games in China, a league that he couldn't even dominate; but most of you sound here would not mind drafting this unknown commodity with the 4th over all pick. Some of you cares not about total package and smarts; all you care about is a stupid dude that can jump and dunk without a jump shot.

Give me: Russell, towns, Winslow, Lyles, and this draft will be a complete success

Well the good thing about that is nobody on here will be making the pick and if Mudiay ends up being the pick it will be made by people who know much much more about the kid than you or anyone on here does and those people also know much much more about basketball than you or anyone on here so we will see what the big wigs do in less than a mobth.

Thanks to our dumb coach, we are in this situation. Had we ended up with one of the top three picks, we would be in a totally different position. When I mentioned that fact at the end of the season, newyork4ever blasted me; because he claimed that winning those two games will not be as detrimental as predicted.

Hahahahaha I'm glad to see you're over it and I'm sorry that you're having soooooooo much trouble with it still but maybe by this time next year you'll be able to let go?? Just sayin.

I will never get over it. Tanking all year to earn just the fourth pick in the draft? To miss a great opportunity to draft a megastar? I will never forget it.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Mudiay is nothing special folks. If he were special, he wouldn't be this afraid to showcase his talent. The dude played less then 15 games in China, a league that he couldn't even dominate; but most of you sound here would not mind drafting this unknown commodity with the 4th over all pick. Some of you cares not about total package and smarts; all you care about is a stupid dude that can jump and dunk without a jump shot.

Give me: Russell, towns, Winslow, Lyles, and this draft will be a complete success

Well the good thing about that is nobody on here will be making the pick and if Mudiay ends up being the pick it will be made by people who know much much more about the kid than you or anyone on here does and those people also know much much more about basketball than you or anyone on here so we will see what the big wigs do in less than a mobth.

Thanks to our dumb coach, we are in this situation. Had we ended up with one of the top three picks, we would be in a totally different position. When I mentioned that fact at the end of the season, newyork4ever blasted me; because he claimed that winning those two games will not be as detrimental as predicted.

Hahahahaha I'm glad to see you're over it and I'm sorry that you're having soooooooo much trouble with it still but maybe by this time next year you'll be able to let go?? Just sayin.

I will never get over it. Tanking all year to earn just the fourth pick in the draft? To miss a great opportunity to draft a megastar? I will never forget it.

What--we did not tank--we just scked. But at the end of the day when it counted--we couldnt even do that right.

Thank you. And Newyork4ever wants me to get over it? This man does not know how long WE Knicks fans have been suffering for an opportunity to drastically change the direction of this franchise. We were on course to do just that, all until the egomaniac Fisher decided to win the last two games

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I dont see any Knick fan complaining if its Winslow. Its a safe pick for the franchise in almost every way. You get a smart athletic two way player with upside. There is a % chance he could be the BPA in the entire draft(although I suspect that Towns will get that award.

I like Winslow, but people will celebrate his drafting then shamelessly blast it a few years later when the higher risk players over take him.

Why are you so upset about the complaining the fans do? Fans will complain when the past 15 years have been really bad and the results for the first 14 months of the new president have been worse than anyone anticipated.

Fans will complain if we would of made the playoffs every year for the last 15 years and we got Gasol and LMA in free agency and Towns in the draft. There's people on here and every message board that will find things to complain about no matter the situation and that's annoying as all hell.

Im older than you and remember a great time for Knick fans where we had good basketball from Y-Y. Yes there was years that there was heart breaking ends or this or that. But there was a pride with basketball here. I was a ticket holder from the time I was 23 years old. EVERYTHING in this franchise went to he ll the DAY Jim Dolan took over and it was pretty quick. This team has just been toxic for 15 years because of this man. Its unfair that one single Napoleon like idiot ran this great franchise into the ground. Why he hasnt left is beyond me. Ive seen Dolan up pretty close and he is one short MFer he looks like George Costanza size with hair. And from what I hear he acts like Mr Constanza--easy to blow up. It would be nice to go back to the day where we didnt even know who the F owned the team. We had good management and good players with a good culture. We didnt have scum bags like isiah Thomas or diva players. We had tough players who played good basketball. 15 years of losing is a long time with only 1 pretty good year 3 years ago so excuse fans for being prised off at this shtty fcking team.

Thank God I went to Uconn.

Ummmmm ok. I agree with all of this but just don't understand what it had to do with anything I've posted?? How old am I since you for some odd reason seem to know???

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Mudiay is nothing special folks. If he were special, he wouldn't be this afraid to showcase his talent. The dude played less then 15 games in China, a league that he couldn't even dominate; but most of you sound here would not mind drafting this unknown commodity with the 4th over all pick. Some of you cares not about total package and smarts; all you care about is a stupid dude that can jump and dunk without a jump shot.

Give me: Russell, towns, Winslow, Lyles, and this draft will be a complete success

Well the good thing about that is nobody on here will be making the pick and if Mudiay ends up being the pick it will be made by people who know much much more about the kid than you or anyone on here does and those people also know much much more about basketball than you or anyone on here so we will see what the big wigs do in less than a mobth.

Thanks to our dumb coach, we are in this situation. Had we ended up with one of the top three picks, we would be in a totally different position. When I mentioned that fact at the end of the season, newyork4ever blasted me; because he claimed that winning those two games will not be as detrimental as predicted.

Hahahahaha I'm glad to see you're over it and I'm sorry that you're having soooooooo much trouble with it still but maybe by this time next year you'll be able to let go?? Just sayin.

I will never get over it. Tanking all year to earn just the fourth pick in the draft? To miss a great opportunity to draft a megastar? I will never forget it.

Now if we tanked then don't you think we would of lost those last games?? I'm pretty sure that's what tanking is.

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Mudiay is nothing special folks. If he were special, he wouldn't be this afraid to showcase his talent. The dude played less then 15 games in China, a league that he couldn't even dominate; but most of you sound here would not mind drafting this unknown commodity with the 4th over all pick. Some of you cares not about total package and smarts; all you care about is a stupid dude that can jump and dunk without a jump shot.

Give me: Russell, towns, Winslow, Lyles, and this draft will be a complete success

Well the good thing about that is nobody on here will be making the pick and if Mudiay ends up being the pick it will be made by people who know much much more about the kid than you or anyone on here does and those people also know much much more about basketball than you or anyone on here so we will see what the big wigs do in less than a mobth.

Thanks to our dumb coach, we are in this situation. Had we ended up with one of the top three picks, we would be in a totally different position. When I mentioned that fact at the end of the season, newyork4ever blasted me; because he claimed that winning those two games will not be as detrimental as predicted.

Hahahahaha I'm glad to see you're over it and I'm sorry that you're having soooooooo much trouble with it still but maybe by this time next year you'll be able to let go?? Just sayin.

I will never get over it. Tanking all year to earn just the fourth pick in the draft? To miss a great opportunity to draft a megastar? I will never forget it.

What--we did not tank--we just scked. But at the end of the day when it counted--we couldnt even do that right.

Thank you. And Newyork4ever wants me to get over it? This man does not know how long WE Knicks fans have been suffering for an opportunity to drastically change the direction of this franchise. We were on course to do just that, all until the egomaniac Fisher decided to win the last two games

You will never in your life meet a bigger Knicks fan than me and that's a promise. Just because I'm much more realistic and logical than you doesn't mean you can assume things about me that you have zero idea about.

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Mudiay is nothing special folks. If he were special, he wouldn't be this afraid to showcase his talent. The dude played less then 15 games in China, a league that he couldn't even dominate; but most of you sound here would not mind drafting this unknown commodity with the 4th over all pick. Some of you cares not about total package and smarts; all you care about is a stupid dude that can jump and dunk without a jump shot.

Give me: Russell, towns, Winslow, Lyles, and this draft will be a complete success

Well the good thing about that is nobody on here will be making the pick and if Mudiay ends up being the pick it will be made by people who know much much more about the kid than you or anyone on here does and those people also know much much more about basketball than you or anyone on here so we will see what the big wigs do in less than a mobth.

Thanks to our dumb coach, we are in this situation. Had we ended up with one of the top three picks, we would be in a totally different position. When I mentioned that fact at the end of the season, newyork4ever blasted me; because he claimed that winning those two games will not be as detrimental as predicted.

Hahahahaha I'm glad to see you're over it and I'm sorry that you're having soooooooo much trouble with it still but maybe by this time next year you'll be able to let go?? Just sayin.

I will never get over it. Tanking all year to earn just the fourth pick in the draft? To miss a great opportunity to draft a megastar? I will never forget it.

Maybe the player we draft ends up being better than the players you have in mind that will be megastars. It's too soon to tell. There is no clear-cut Lebron/Anthony Davis-can't miss #1 pick here. There are 4 or 5 guys all within the same tier. Towns is obviously number one, but the gap between 1 and 4 isn't significant in this draft. Maybe this a draft like 2008 and 2009 where guys are drafted later who end up being as good as the #1 guy.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Mudiay is nothing special folks. If he were special, he wouldn't be this afraid to showcase his talent. The dude played less then 15 games in China, a league that he couldn't even dominate; but most of you sound here would not mind drafting this unknown commodity with the 4th over all pick. Some of you cares not about total package and smarts; all you care about is a stupid dude that can jump and dunk without a jump shot.

Give me: Russell, towns, Winslow, Lyles, and this draft will be a complete success

Well the good thing about that is nobody on here will be making the pick and if Mudiay ends up being the pick it will be made by people who know much much more about the kid than you or anyone on here does and those people also know much much more about basketball than you or anyone on here so we will see what the big wigs do in less than a mobth.

Thanks to our dumb coach, we are in this situation. Had we ended up with one of the top three picks, we would be in a totally different position. When I mentioned that fact at the end of the season, newyork4ever blasted me; because he claimed that winning those two games will not be as detrimental as predicted.

Hahahahaha I'm glad to see you're over it and I'm sorry that you're having soooooooo much trouble with it still but maybe by this time next year you'll be able to let go?? Just sayin.

I will never get over it. Tanking all year to earn just the fourth pick in the draft? To miss a great opportunity to draft a megastar? I will never forget it.

What--we did not tank--we just scked. But at the end of the day when it counted--we couldnt even do that right.

Thank you. And Newyork4ever wants me to get over it? This man does not know how long WE Knicks fans have been suffering for an opportunity to drastically change the direction of this franchise. We were on course to do just that, all until the egomaniac Fisher decided to win the last two games

You will never in your life meet a bigger Knicks fan than me and that's a promise. Just because I'm much more realistic and logical than you doesn't mean you can assume things about me that you have zero idea about.

It would be disrespectful of me to assume anything of you. You decided to argue with me for my negative feelings of Fisher; whom has proven as a rookie coach to not have the intellect necessary to help set this franchise on the proper course.

If I were in his position, I would have done my ultimate best to obtain that first pick. Because in my opinion, that would give me a chance to groom a study young player to help me build my legacy. Specifically, given that he knows the makeup of our current roster.

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Mudiay is nothing special folks. If he were special, he wouldn't be this afraid to showcase his talent. The dude played less then 15 games in China, a league that he couldn't even dominate; but most of you sound here would not mind drafting this unknown commodity with the 4th over all pick. Some of you cares not about total package and smarts; all you care about is a stupid dude that can jump and dunk without a jump shot.

Give me: Russell, towns, Winslow, Lyles, and this draft will be a complete success

Well the good thing about that is nobody on here will be making the pick and if Mudiay ends up being the pick it will be made by people who know much much more about the kid than you or anyone on here does and those people also know much much more about basketball than you or anyone on here so we will see what the big wigs do in less than a mobth.

Thanks to our dumb coach, we are in this situation. Had we ended up with one of the top three picks, we would be in a totally different position. When I mentioned that fact at the end of the season, newyork4ever blasted me; because he claimed that winning those two games will not be as detrimental as predicted.

Hahahahaha I'm glad to see you're over it and I'm sorry that you're having soooooooo much trouble with it still but maybe by this time next year you'll be able to let go?? Just sayin.

I will never get over it. Tanking all year to earn just the fourth pick in the draft? To miss a great opportunity to draft a megastar? I will never forget it.

Knicks1969 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Mudiay is nothing special folks. If he were special, he wouldn't be this afraid to showcase his talent. The dude played less then 15 games in China, a league that he couldn't even dominate; but most of you sound here would not mind drafting this unknown commodity with the 4th over all pick. Some of you cares not about total package and smarts; all you care about is a stupid dude that can jump and dunk without a jump shot.

Give me: Russell, towns, Winslow, Lyles, and this draft will be a complete success

Well the good thing about that is nobody on here will be making the pick and if Mudiay ends up being the pick it will be made by people who know much much more about the kid than you or anyone on here does and those people also know much much more about basketball than you or anyone on here so we will see what the big wigs do in less than a mobth.

Thanks to our dumb coach, we are in this situation. Had we ended up with one of the top three picks, we would be in a totally different position. When I mentioned that fact at the end of the season, newyork4ever blasted me; because he claimed that winning those two games will not be as detrimental as predicted.

Hahahahaha I'm glad to see you're over it and I'm sorry that you're having soooooooo much trouble with it still but maybe by this time next year you'll be able to let go?? Just sayin.

I will never get over it. Tanking all year to earn just the fourth pick in the draft? To miss a great opportunity to draft a megastar? I will never forget it.

Maybe the player we draft ends up being better than the players you have in mind that will be megastars. It's too soon to tell. There is no clear-cut Lebron/Anthony Davis-can't miss #1 pick here. There are 4 or 5 guys all within the same tier. Towns is obviously number one, but the gap between 1 and 4 isn't significant in this draft. Maybe this a draft like 2008 and 2009 where guys are drafted later who end up being as good as the #1 guy.

You've missed the point. Obtaining one of the top three picks would have given us a lot more leverage. Specifically, given previous regimes have decided to trade all of our picks for the next couple of years. The first pick could have net us a guy like Cousin and two draft picks.