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6/1/2015  8:02 PM
knicks1248 wrote:The #1 reason GSW are in the finals is the damn coach, a coach who ran a system that catered to his players strengths.

We run a system that caters to the coach


Kerr is a big part, but I doubt he'd coach the opening Knicks lineup to the finals. I think they would have been better though.
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6/1/2015  8:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/1/2015  8:09 PM
knicks1248 wrote:The #1 reason GSW are in the finals is the damn coach, a coach who ran a system that catered to his players strengths.

We run a system that caters to the coach

We run a system that caters to the GM and his legacy..

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6/1/2015  8:41 PM
holfresh wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:The #1 reason GSW are in the finals is the damn coach, a coach who ran a system that catered to his players strengths.

We run a system that caters to the coach

We run a system that caters to the GM and his legacy..

Perhaps some things were left out, here.


Popovich also coached under Larry Brown, whose teams were usually unselfish and had some movement on offense.

The real issue has to do with how long it takes to build a team. The Spurs had been doing pretty well for years before he became the head coach, and lets face it, he lucked out with Duncan.

I love him as a coach, but he's drafted guys who fits his system and have the character he wants. He's also been very big on picking foreign players, who are used to playing team oriented ball.

Do you actually think he won't get rid of players who don't follow his system? Do you think the owner is going to tell him how much to pay someone or dictate trades. Oh, that's right, he has a slightly different position than some coaches do: Head coach / President of Basketball Operations. He can pretty much do what he wants!

Continuity and success go hand in hand, and SA has arguably had the best continuity of any team in professional sports. They also have a coach who has been given much greater control than most other coaches. He will stay on as long as he likes and retire whenever it pleases him.

Jackson had some of these things in Chicago and LA, and like Pops, he coached some transcendent star players on his teams, and had support from the top brass.

You guys are kidding about Kerr, right? GS was a good team BEFORE Kerr went there- most of those players were on the team before Kerr got there. He also learned winning ball from a pretty good coach.

Don't discount the power Curry has on that team, either. He, as much as anyone is like a Lebron, in that the team reflects the way he wants things to play out, and, like Lebron, he has become more than a one dimensional scorer.

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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6/1/2015  8:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/1/2015  9:10 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:The #1 reason GSW are in the finals is the damn coach, a coach who ran a system that catered to his players strengths.

We run a system that caters to the coach

We run a system that caters to the GM and his legacy..

Perhaps some things were left out, here.


Popovich also coached under Larry Brown, whose teams were usually unselfish and had some movement on offense.

The real issue has to do with how long it takes to build a team. The Spurs had been doing pretty well for years before he became the head coach, and lets face it, he lucked out with Duncan.

I love him as a coach, but he's drafted guys who fits his system and have the character he wants. He's also been very big on picking foreign players, who are used to playing team oriented ball.

Do you actually think he won't get rid of players who don't follow his system? Do you think the owner is going to tell him how much to pay someone or dictate trades. Oh, that's right, he has a slightly different position than some coaches do: Head coach / President of Basketball Operations. He can pretty much do what he wants!

Continuity and success go hand in hand, and SA has arguably had the best continuity of any team in professional sports. They also have a coach who has been given much greater control than most other coaches. He will stay on as long as he likes and retire whenever it pleases him.

Jackson had some of these things in Chicago and LA, and like Pops, he coached some transcendent star players on his teams, and had support from the top brass.

You guys are kidding about Kerr, right? GS was a good team BEFORE Kerr went there- most of those players were on the team before Kerr got there. He also learned winning ball from a pretty good coach.

Don't discount the power Curry has on that team, either. He, as much as anyone is like a Lebron, in that the team reflects the way he wants things to play out, and, like Lebron, he has become more than a one dimensional scorer.

I'm not taking about Kerr or GS, I'm talking about Phil Jackson..He has made it about himself and his legacy from day one..I have objected from day two..Pop has always made it about the players on the court not about the system or himself..We had to hire a coach who isn't really qualified to run the system the GM is here to defend..You won't win that way..Its got to be about the players and the coach..The coach has to run what he believes in..The players have to then believe what the coach is presenting..Player will need to see the passion..If not, they won't believe..

When Phil was in Chicago it was about the players, when he was in LA, it was about the players..Here it's about the GM..

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6/1/2015  9:20 PM
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I'm not taking about Kerr or GS, I'm talking about Phil Jackson..He has made it about himself and his legacy from day one..I have objected from day two..Pop has always made it about the players on the court not about the system or himself..We had to hire a coach who isn't really qualified to run the system the GM is here to defend..You won't win that way..Its got to be about the players and the coach..The coach has to run what he believes in..The players have to then believe what the coach is presenting..Player will need to see the passion..If not, they won't believe..

When Phil was in Chicago it was about the players, when he was in LA, it was about the players..Here it's about the GM..


Jackson is trapped by his age, time, and more than anything else, Dolan.

I would normally assume that an owner would hire someone like Jackson for his BB wisdom and I'm sure Jackson told him he wanted to run the triangle.

Dolan probably just wanted the name. Win or lose on the floor, the Knicks get the publicity he wants for the franchise. I really wonder how much pride he has.

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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6/1/2015  9:24 PM
holfresh wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:The #1 reason GSW are in the finals is the damn coach, a coach who ran a system that catered to his players strengths.

We run a system that caters to the coach

We run a system that caters to the GM and his legacy..

Perhaps some things were left out, here.


Popovich also coached under Larry Brown, whose teams were usually unselfish and had some movement on offense.

The real issue has to do with how long it takes to build a team. The Spurs had been doing pretty well for years before he became the head coach, and lets face it, he lucked out with Duncan.

I love him as a coach, but he's drafted guys who fits his system and have the character he wants. He's also been very big on picking foreign players, who are used to playing team oriented ball.

Do you actually think he won't get rid of players who don't follow his system? Do you think the owner is going to tell him how much to pay someone or dictate trades. Oh, that's right, he has a slightly different position than some coaches do: Head coach / President of Basketball Operations. He can pretty much do what he wants!

Continuity and success go hand in hand, and SA has arguably had the best continuity of any team in professional sports. They also have a coach who has been given much greater control than most other coaches. He will stay on as long as he likes and retire whenever it pleases him.

Jackson had some of these things in Chicago and LA, and like Pops, he coached some transcendent star players on his teams, and had support from the top brass.

You guys are kidding about Kerr, right? GS was a good team BEFORE Kerr went there- most of those players were on the team before Kerr got there. He also learned winning ball from a pretty good coach.

Don't discount the power Curry has on that team, either. He, as much as anyone is like a Lebron, in that the team reflects the way he wants things to play out, and, like Lebron, he has become more than a one dimensional scorer.

I'm not taking about Kerr or GS, I'm talking about Phil Jackson..He has made it about himself and his legacy from day one..I have have objected from day two..Pop has always made it about the players on the court not about the system..We had to hire a coach who isn't really qualified to run the system the GM is here to defend..You won't win that way..Its got to be about the players and the coach..The coach has to run what he believes in..The players have to then believe what the coach is presenting..Player will need to see the passion..If not, they won't believe..

When Phil was in Chicago it was about the players, when he was in LA, it was about the players..Here it's about the GM..

Just remember that you're attacking the character of a man that has won on the highest levels. Phil Jackson is about winning... PERIOD. It's not about proving he's right or any other such nonsense. All great NBA men have an ego and think they know best. That's a feature of winning and not a bug. Phil is trying to apply all that he's learned about winning in Basketball, over the last 4 decades, to this franchise. You really think that this man doesn't want to win here in NY more than proving he's right? You don't have a clue what this man is actually about.

The Triangle is what he knows best. 11 FREAKING TITLES and you think he's gonna just allow his team to run something else that he's not familiar with or hasn't even been proven to win? COME ON MAN!!! You know damn well that if you had won 11 titles running a system that you'd be wanting to go with that 1st before trying anything else. Phil knows what he needs at each position in the Triangle and thus it makes his job more clear in terms of finding the right players to build a team. That doesn't mean that he can't tweak things as he has actually done many times over the last 20 years. The Triangle is his core philosophy and that makes his choices much less willy nilly when he's building his team.

The scouts, D League coach, NBA front office, coaching staff and NBA players are all being taught and immersed in what Phil Jackson is teaching. Over time that will bear fruit but you can't be impatient. It's gonna take some time to have it fully entrenched in every aspect of the organization. He's building for long term success.

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6/1/2015  11:36 PM
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holfresh wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:2009--pick 7 Steph Curry
2011--pick 11 Klay Thompson
2012--pick 7 Harrison Barnes pick 30 Fetsus Elzsi pick 35 Dray Green

2 7 picks an 11 pick 30 and 35.--EXACTLY why I want to trade down and get more picks

How many premium free agents--zero.
In fact they do not even have 1 free agent signed on their roster for more than 2mm.

David Lee, Andre Iguodala, Livingston..The fact that you trade down does't mean your results will turn out to be like GS..

Those are trades. The guys above are the team.

of course I do. Lee is not helping them as a non draftee but bogut is helping them.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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6/2/2015  1:12 AM
"Don't discount the power Curry has on that team, either. He, as much as anyone is like a Lebron, in that the team reflects the way he wants things to play out, and, like Lebron, he has become more than a one dimensional scorer."

Yup. Jackson's best strategic coaching last year was "What Steph said." I agree Curry is basically a co-coach of GS but this year, it's pretty clear that Kerr is handling big picture strategy and Curry's focusing on running his part. Under Jackson, GS didn't really have a second team or a diverse set of plays/tactics but this year Kerr has brought along some of the other guys, Livingston, say, to run the team a little different than when Curry in on the floor. I'm sure--and Kerr even says so from time to time--that there's still a lot of "What Steph said." coaching but less than under Jackson. And, amazingly enough, on top of being a fine point guard and points robot, Curry, like LeBron, is an awesome on the floor strategist.

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6/2/2015  5:38 AM
It makes NO SENSE to draft the BPA because we can't trade him ever again, we are stuck with him forever.

We need to draft someone that will work in the triangle or even trade down for multiple picks that will work in the triangle reguardless of how average they are because when Phil Jackson health makes him step down (he's only 69) Fisher will still be coaching the Knicks and the triangle for 20 years afterwards.

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6/2/2015  8:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/2/2015  8:15 AM
Stevo718 wrote:It makes NO SENSE to draft the BPA because we can't trade him ever again, we are stuck with him forever.

We need to draft someone that will work in the triangle or even trade down for multiple picks that will work in the triangle reguardless of how average they are because when Phil Jackson health makes him step down (he's only 69) Fisher will still be coaching the Knicks and the triangle for 20 years afterwards.

Fisher is probably looking at his last season as a head coach.

I keep hearing people say he has to get players that fit the system, really...where is he going to find these players that have a vast knowledge of the system no one on this planet earth is running.

Just because a big can pass and shoot mid range shots doesn't make him a perfect fit. If you have a team full of PnR players, then thats what you run, If you have players who thrive in ISO's, that's what you run sometimes, guys who shoot well off the dribble, then run screens. That's running a system that caters to the players strengths, not weaken him.

Mark Jackson was stubborn in that he wanted to run a more slower half court system, he didn't let his players loose and capitalize on there strengths.

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6/2/2015  8:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/2/2015  8:35 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:The #1 reason GSW are in the finals is the damn coach, a coach who ran a system that catered to his players strengths.

We run a system that caters to the coach

We run a system that caters to the GM and his legacy..

Perhaps some things were left out, here.


Popovich also coached under Larry Brown, whose teams were usually unselfish and had some movement on offense.

The real issue has to do with how long it takes to build a team. The Spurs had been doing pretty well for years before he became the head coach, and lets face it, he lucked out with Duncan.

I love him as a coach, but he's drafted guys who fits his system and have the character he wants. He's also been very big on picking foreign players, who are used to playing team oriented ball.

Do you actually think he won't get rid of players who don't follow his system? Do you think the owner is going to tell him how much to pay someone or dictate trades. Oh, that's right, he has a slightly different position than some coaches do: Head coach / President of Basketball Operations. He can pretty much do what he wants!

Continuity and success go hand in hand, and SA has arguably had the best continuity of any team in professional sports. They also have a coach who has been given much greater control than most other coaches. He will stay on as long as he likes and retire whenever it pleases him.

Jackson had some of these things in Chicago and LA, and like Pops, he coached some transcendent star players on his teams, and had support from the top brass.

You guys are kidding about Kerr, right? GS was a good team BEFORE Kerr went there- most of those players were on the team before Kerr got there. He also learned winning ball from a pretty good coach.

Don't discount the power Curry has on that team, either. He, as much as anyone is like a Lebron, in that the team reflects the way he wants things to play out, and, like Lebron, he has become more than a one dimensional scorer.

Look at how many players we had that thrived in the Pnr, Larkin, Bargi, Amare, prigioni, Jr, Jason Smith, calderone. That was pretty much the core, but Fisher and Phil wanted nothing to do with the Pnr until damn near the end of the season.

A guy like fisher who was the perfect role player, never establish roles for anyone not name Carmelo, everyone else had the same role. One of the first things kerr did was establish roles. He didn't have Lee starting the game, then benching him in the second half, or barbosa starting the first half, then klay starting the second half, or 2 games for andrew b, then going with speights for 3 games, then lee for a game.

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6/2/2015  8:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/2/2015  8:32 AM
Stevo718 wrote:It makes NO SENSE to draft the BPA because we can't trade him ever again, we are stuck with him forever.

We need to draft someone that will work in the triangle or even trade down for multiple picks that will work in the triangle reguardless of how average they are because when Phil Jackson health makes him step down (he's only 69) Fisher will still be coaching the Knicks and the triangle for 20 years afterwards.

No at 4 you draft the BPA. To be honest many players seem to not like the triangle. Lets face it part of the reason worked for Phil because he had 3 of the best players of all time with him, makes it easier
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6/2/2015  12:03 PM
knicks1248 wrote:The #1 reason GSW are in the finals is the damn coach, a coach who ran a system that catered to his players strengths.

We run a system that caters to the coach

GSW built a team then replaced its coach to better fit its roster.
Knicks roster not worth two Shyts and phuch coming off a 34 win season so what is the expectation?
Do you think Kerr would have taken the Knicks to the finals as well? GS won 55 games season before.
Kerr took what worked and add to it.

Changed its culture a few years back. Knicks just embarked. Knicks just cleaned house and they will build a roster not to cater to Fish, but the the Triangle.
I agree with what GS has done. But your Fish hate does not correlate.

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6/2/2015  12:07 PM
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:The #1 reason GSW are in the finals is the damn coach, a coach who ran a system that catered to his players strengths.

We run a system that caters to the coach

We run a system that caters to the GM and his legacy..

Perhaps some things were left out, here.


Popovich also coached under Larry Brown, whose teams were usually unselfish and had some movement on offense.

The real issue has to do with how long it takes to build a team. The Spurs had been doing pretty well for years before he became the head coach, and lets face it, he lucked out with Duncan.

I love him as a coach, but he's drafted guys who fits his system and have the character he wants. He's also been very big on picking foreign players, who are used to playing team oriented ball.

Do you actually think he won't get rid of players who don't follow his system? Do you think the owner is going to tell him how much to pay someone or dictate trades. Oh, that's right, he has a slightly different position than some coaches do: Head coach / President of Basketball Operations. He can pretty much do what he wants!

Continuity and success go hand in hand, and SA has arguably had the best continuity of any team in professional sports. They also have a coach who has been given much greater control than most other coaches. He will stay on as long as he likes and retire whenever it pleases him.

Jackson had some of these things in Chicago and LA, and like Pops, he coached some transcendent star players on his teams, and had support from the top brass.

You guys are kidding about Kerr, right? GS was a good team BEFORE Kerr went there- most of those players were on the team before Kerr got there. He also learned winning ball from a pretty good coach.

Don't discount the power Curry has on that team, either. He, as much as anyone is like a Lebron, in that the team reflects the way he wants things to play out, and, like Lebron, he has become more than a one dimensional scorer.

I'm not taking about Kerr or GS, I'm talking about Phil Jackson..He has made it about himself and his legacy from day one..I have have objected from day two..Pop has always made it about the players on the court not about the system..We had to hire a coach who isn't really qualified to run the system the GM is here to defend..You won't win that way..Its got to be about the players and the coach..The coach has to run what he believes in..The players have to then believe what the coach is presenting..Player will need to see the passion..If not, they won't believe..

When Phil was in Chicago it was about the players, when he was in LA, it was about the players..Here it's about the GM..

Just remember that you're attacking the character of a man that has won on the highest levels. Phil Jackson is about winning... PERIOD. It's not about proving he's right or any other such nonsense. All great NBA men have an ego and think they know best. That's a feature of winning and not a bug. Phil is trying to apply all that he's learned about winning in Basketball, over the last 4 decades, to this franchise. You really think that this man doesn't want to win here in NY more than proving he's right? You don't have a clue what this man is actually about.

The Triangle is what he knows best. 11 FREAKING TITLES and you think he's gonna just allow his team to run something else that he's not familiar with or hasn't even been proven to win? COME ON MAN!!! You know damn well that if you had won 11 titles running a system that you'd be wanting to go with that 1st before trying anything else. Phil knows what he needs at each position in the Triangle and thus it makes his job more clear in terms of finding the right players to build a team. That doesn't mean that he can't tweak things as he has actually done many times over the last 20 years. The Triangle is his core philosophy and that makes his choices much less willy nilly when he's building his team.

The scouts, D League coach, NBA front office, coaching staff and NBA players are all being taught and immersed in what Phil Jackson is teaching. Over time that will bear fruit but you can't be impatient. It's gonna take some time to have it fully entrenched in every aspect of the organization. He's building for long term success.

Agree. He just need to make better decisions

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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6/2/2015  12:39 PM
You can't just point to the Triangle without noting that the guy who invented it is no longer helping Jackson - Tex Winter. And without noting that the guys who ran the system to produce championships, you've got Kobe and MJ who are top ten all-time NBA superstars. Pippen and Shaq are probably both all-time top 20.
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6/2/2015  2:53 PM
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:The #1 reason GSW are in the finals is the damn coach, a coach who ran a system that catered to his players strengths.

We run a system that caters to the coach

GSW built a team then replaced its coach to better fit its roster.
Knicks roster not worth two Shyts and phuch coming off a 34 win season so what is the expectation?
Do you think Kerr would have taken the Knicks to the finals as well? GS won 55 games season before.
Kerr took what worked and add to it.

Changed its culture a few years back. Knicks just embarked. Knicks just cleaned house and they will build a roster not to cater to Fish, but the the Triangle.
I agree with what GS has done. But your Fish hate does not correlate.

Did GSW build a roster catered to Mark Jackson because kerr took the same roster and increase it's win total by 12 games in the ultra competitive west.

Let me give you and example....Timothy Mosgov stated that in denver he never knew when he was going to play, he was getting up by 20 points minutes, or down by 20 points minutes, pure garbage, same thing for kanter in utah.

In order for a player to be successful there are 3 things that absolutely have to be in place

1) His role on the team
2) His minutes in the rotation
3) The system he's playing in

None of that was the case with any player fisher coach last season...So you can continue to believe that im hating fish, and you can continue to think a better roster will turn fish into an elite coach. I have been watching basketball for over 30 yrs and i think I know when i see BS.

Fisher is here not because he's a good coach, he's here because of phil, his ability to relate to the current players in the league, and he's very articulate....My friend, those are assistant coach qualities

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6/7/2015  11:03 AM
Warriors drafted Draymond Green, other players meant to smash NBA’s conventional mold


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OAKLAND — “He is undersized as a power forward and doesn’t have a game that makes him a three.”

That is a draft night critique of Draymond Green from us at PBT, and while we praised getting Green in the second round that comment fit the thinking when he was drafted — that he was a tweener who might not have a natural fit in the NBA.

“They said that. Who would he guard? Ironic,” Green said Saturday before Game 2 of the Finals, when he will spend some time guarding LeBron James. “Who is he? What does he do? Ironic. That’s what they said, (Charles) Barkley still say that sometimes, other people still writing it sometimes. Maybe they’ll stop writing it one day, maybe they won’t. It is what it is at this point.”

Today we praise the versatility of the Golden State Warriors, a team that starts four guys in the same size range, which allows them to switch nearly every pick. That versatility is key to their offense as well as nearly everyone can shoot threes or put the ball on the floor.

The Warriors didn’t want players who fit into conventional molds, they wanted to shatter the mold.

Remember that when we head into the draft in a few weeks and you read comments questioning where players fit.

Remember when Stephen Curry came into the league and there were a lot of questions about whether he could really be a point guard in the NBA, if he was really just going to be an undersized two guard who couldn’t create his own shot.

To quote Green, ironic.

There were questions about Klay Thompson, is he a two or a three? The concern with him was he was not going to be athletic enough to be a good defender.

Ironic.

“It goes on and on like that down the Warriors roster. There were enough questions about Harrison Barnes he was taken behind Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Thomas Robinson.

“Coming through the draft, GMs and scouts asked me that, ‘What position do you play?’ And I tell them this answer: ‘I’m a basketball player,’” Green said. “Don’t sit here and tell me I’m a three, then you take away the things I can do at the four. Don’t tell me II’m a four and take away the things I do as a three. I’m a basketball player, you put me on the court and I’ll figure out a way to get it done.”

Steve Kerr and Curry will brush off those kinds of comments about the makeup of their team, or the old trope about how a jump shooting team can’t win the NBA title (didn’t the 2011 Dallas Mavericks already dispel that myth?).

“Most people brush it off,” Green said. “I laugh at it, but I always keep it right there in the back of the mind….

“That’s what my whole career has been fueled off of. Somebody saying what you can’t do, what I can’t do. So when I hear stuff like that saying what we can’t dp It just put me right back in that mindset that helped me get here.”

Warriors assistant coach Alvin Gentry said you have to praise Warriors GM Bob Meyers for having the vision to see past positions to put together that kind of versatile team. One that can throw a lot of different looks at you.

That goes all the way down to ball handling where guys like Andre Iguodala and Shaun Livingston come into play, Green notes.

“I think that’s one of the neat things about our team, you’ve got different ball handlers to change the pace of the game — and on any possession. It’s not like you got to sit Steph to play Shaun, or sit Shawn to play Dre. You can play all of them together. It’s a constant change of pace thing, it gives the defense a different look every time.”

It’s also how the Warriors defend the game’s best player.

“They mixed it up…” LeBron said of the Warriors defense. “Sometimes they didn’t dig in the post. Sometimes they let me play one-on-one. Sometimes (Andrew) Bogut was over on the tilt and brought two defenders. They switched sometimes on pick-and-rolls. Sometimes they went under.

“So they were giving me everything. They’re not just giving me one steady dosage of we’re going to just let him play. No. That’s what they want to get out to you guys, but that’s not what’s happening. Yeah, I see it all throughout the course of the game. They’ve given me different matchups, just trying to keep me off balance.”

Versatility is one of the foundations on which the Warriors are built — they wanted guys who could do a lot of different things on the court. They didn’t want to fit the mold, they wanted to break it.

And it’s on the cusp of getting them an NBA title.

Just remember that when someone pans your team’s draft pick as a “tweener” in a couple weeks.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/07/warriors-drafted-draymond-green-other-players-meant-to-smash-nbas-conventional-mold/
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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6/7/2015  11:54 AM
Draymond green is excellent because he knows now to play basketball. He played 4 years in a good program honed his skills became a leader and physically under rated. Sounds like another guy in this draft
RIP Crushalot😞
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6/7/2015  6:52 PM
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:The #1 reason GSW are in the finals is the damn coach, a coach who ran a system that catered to his players strengths.

We run a system that caters to the coach

GSW built a team then replaced its coach to better fit its roster.
Knicks roster not worth two Shyts and phuch coming off a 34 win season so what is the expectation?
Do you think Kerr would have taken the Knicks to the finals as well? GS won 55 games season before.
Kerr took what worked and add to it.

Changed its culture a few years back. Knicks just embarked. Knicks just cleaned house and they will build a roster not to cater to Fish, but the the Triangle.
I agree with what GS has done. But your Fish hate does not correlate.

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6/7/2015  7:08 PM
I agree with Nalod in the sense that's is too early to crucify Fisher. First and foremost, the NBA is about talent. Right now, the Knicks don't have enough talent period to make any judgement on what system fits. GSW built their team over a number of years with excellent judgement on their draft and on building and developing the talent from within. If they feel a superior talent at #4 then don't get cute - take him. If not, trade down to get some additional assets and start building a core. Knicks are at the stage that GS was back in the lock-out season. It took them 3 years to get where they are at now. To me, the clock really starts now on judging Phil and Fisher. We will see if Fisher has the coaching chops and whether Phil just took the money. The triangle can work but you still have to be flexible enough to incorporate alternative concepts. The safest way to at least stay competitive in the short-run is fill your roster with some quick, long, athletic defenders who can guard the perimeter - similar to what Milwaukee is trying to do. Do you remember the last time the Knicks whiffed on multiple first round picks - John Wallace, Walter McCarty, and someone named Jones who never made it in the league?
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