nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:blkexec wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:The only way I am cool with WCS is if Kevin Love has given Phil a hand shake promise. WCS and Monroe is too crowded. Love and WCS makes much more sense.
Agree....Never been a Monroe fan. Signing him reminds me when we SETTLED with Amari....after missing out on James. Signing Monroe after missing out on Towns. We need to learn from our past and not settle just because he likes the knicks. Would you settle down with a chick just because she like you? I don't see what he adds as amax player that you cant get from other cheaper options. Like another pick to grab a big later in the first.
Monroe isn't settling. He was likely in the plans no matter who we took with the exception of Okafor. If it was Towns, Russell, Mudiay, Winslow... Monroe would be a likely target.
With regard to playing WCS and Monroe, it's not that big of a deal. People keep saying there will be congestion which indicates to me that a lot of us still don't understand how the Triangle works. There will be no congestion with 2 post players. The Base Half Court set always has 2 post players. The PF and C are always on opposite sides of the paint. In the Triangle the spacing is a big key to how it works.
Both bigs are in a position that if the ball is rotated you can form a triangle on either side of the floor if you want to. All it takes is for the PG to run baseline to the opposite side and you have a new Triangle. One Big is in the strong side Triangle and the other is in the Pinch Post on the opposite side of the paint. Both are within range of the basket, but in the Pinch Post you can work a 2 Man game with the 2nd Guard. That side of the floor is wide open. You can work PnR, Give and Go or just ISO the big after the guard cuts thru.
That diagram is so pretty, It makes me wonder how the knicks were a lotto team but anyway, show me that diagram with Melo in the post.
We are talking about adding more talent to run the system more effectively, correct? No system is worth a darn minus talent, but with some talent this should be a very nice system to run. I'm pretty sure things will look a bit better with some quality talent in the starting lineup. Our players often made the right reads and passes but were unable to finish. That's where the talent comes in. You've still gotta be able to make shots.The Triangle allows for endless alternatives on who is posting and who is moving. It's always one or the other. If you aren't posting, passing or receiving a pass, you should be ready to move. The timing on when to cut is practiced so that you can present yourself for passes and not interfere with the post player.
Melo should probably post when one of the bigs is rotated out and he can work his low post game. Other than that he should be taking advantage of his perimeter game. Looking to cut to the basket or looking to catch and shoot. He can also still post if he gets the pass after making a cut and has his man pinned down low.
If the knicks had two dynamic scorers at the wings I could see the idea of WCS and Monroe working (though arguably Monroe wouldn't be the big I would put next to WCS in that situation) because they would be there to defend and rebound (though to be 100% honest both would have to be able to shoot a open jumper from about 10 - 12 feet away reliably). However, if the knicks get Monroe with the goal of him being the second offensive option to Melo now, and eventual first offensive option as Melo gets older by scoring in the paint. WCS would be a bad move.
It could work....Maybe but offensively a PF who could shoot reliably and draw his man away from Monroe in the paint would be ideal. The same pairing goes for WCS. The reason teams like Boston, Indy, and to a lesser degree the Kings want him is because they would potentially put WCS next to Love (Boston's top FA target), West, and Cousins who would be the guy to draw the second big away from the paint with shooting that would allow WCS to score. That type of lineup necessity is why a guy like Tyson Chandler was thought to be just a passable starting center until he played with Dirk and Melo. Having a guy at PF to draw away defenders made his style of play thrive. The knicks will likely try to do the same thing with Monroe if they go after him.
If the knicks put Monroe and WCS together the opposing bigs would both always stay within distance of the paint to help/double if either went to score in the paint. It would also make PnR harder because 2 opposing players would always stay within a few feet from the paint. Its that same reason why right now, Detroit has two guys who I think are both 20/10 guys in Monroe and Drummond and they can't even get to the playoffs. If Monroe was doubled while posting when he passed out to WCS, WCS would then have to go up and try to score not just over the same two defenders that Monroe passed away from, but Monroe's body as well since he would still be clogging the paint. That's what is happening to Monroe and Drummond in Detroit. They are literally in each others way, not to mention it makes it harder for Detroit's PG to PnR and the stats show that.
Now lets say the knicks go after Kevin Love. Then WCS would be the best pick they could ever hope for because they cover each others flaws and operate at different places on the court. Those two would fit together offensively and defensively greatly. Monroe and WCS just don't fit if your looking for one of them to actually score, which is exactly what the Knicks need from Monroe. You could even make a good argument that WCS would work great next to Melo as well. However, I can't think of a system that exist that would make Monroe and WCS not a bad front court pairing.
