holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

You have seen Cousins and Melo take over games and carry their teams in stretches..Melo has led many 50 win teams..Can't say that about Monroe..

Monroe doesn't have to take over games and carry the team - he has to mesh with Melo and make the team overall better. I think he can do that.

We've seen Amar'e take over games and carry teams. We've seen Melo take over games and carry teams. Together they were a horrible fit. It's more about fit than anything else.

It's a poor argument..Monroe simply is not a good enough player deserving the max..Problem is that you max out Monroe and you still need another scorer..

a max in 2015 is going to look like a bargain in 2016. just the way it is.

if the knicks had their own pick in 2016, I might advocate waiting and getting another lottery pick. but as is - they don't, so it's better to try to be competitive.

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

You have seen Cousins and Melo take over games and carry their teams in stretches..Melo has led many 50 win teams..Can't say that about Monroe..

Monroe doesn't have to take over games and carry the team - he has to mesh with Melo and make the team overall better. I think he can do that.

We've seen Amar'e take over games and carry teams. We've seen Melo take over games and carry teams. Together they were a horrible fit. It's more about fit than anything else.

It's a poor argument..Monroe simply is not a good enough player deserving the max..Problem is that you max out Monroe and you still need another scorer..

a max in 2015 is going to look like a bargain in 2016. just the way it is.

if the knicks had their own pick in 2016, I might advocate waiting and getting another lottery pick. but as is - they don't, so it's better to try to be competitive.

Try to be competitive for one year??..When much better FA will be available the following year..Then u are locked into Monroe..Like we jumped on Chandler, Chris Paul became available the same year..

The difference is we were able to sign Tyson as a free agent and would have had to trade for Paul. The assets weren't there to trade for Paul. The mistake was picking up Billups' option and then having to amnesty him instead of being able to amnesty Amare later. Signing Tyson was a great move.

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

You have seen Cousins and Melo take over games and carry their teams in stretches..Melo has led many 50 win teams..Can't say that about Monroe..

Monroe doesn't have to take over games and carry the team - he has to mesh with Melo and make the team overall better. I think he can do that.

We've seen Amar'e take over games and carry teams. We've seen Melo take over games and carry teams. Together they were a horrible fit. It's more about fit than anything else.

It's a poor argument..Monroe simply is not a good enough player deserving the max..Problem is that you max out Monroe and you still need another scorer..

a max in 2015 is going to look like a bargain in 2016. just the way it is.

if the knicks had their own pick in 2016, I might advocate waiting and getting another lottery pick. but as is - they don't, so it's better to try to be competitive.

Try to be competitive for one year??..When much better FA will be available the following year..Then u are locked into Monroe..Like we jumped on Chandler, Chris Paul became available the same year..

Care to outline a more realistic freeagency plan for the Knicks?

It's not too complicated..If we don't get a targeted player then wait the following year...I don't think the goal should be to sign anyone because we have the salary slot open...That's how we ended up with Chandler and Amare..

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

You have seen Cousins and Melo take over games and carry their teams in stretches..Melo has led many 50 win teams..Can't say that about Monroe..

Monroe doesn't have to take over games and carry the team - he has to mesh with Melo and make the team overall better. I think he can do that.

We've seen Amar'e take over games and carry teams. We've seen Melo take over games and carry teams. Together they were a horrible fit. It's more about fit than anything else.

It's a poor argument..Monroe simply is not a good enough player deserving the max..Problem is that you max out Monroe and you still need another scorer..

a max in 2015 is going to look like a bargain in 2016. just the way it is.

if the knicks had their own pick in 2016, I might advocate waiting and getting another lottery pick. but as is - they don't, so it's better to try to be competitive.

Try to be competitive for one year??..When much better FA will be available the following year..Then u are locked into Monroe..Like we jumped on Chandler, Chris Paul became available the same year..

Care to outline a more realistic freeagency plan for the Knicks?

It's not too complicated..If we don't get a targeted player then wait the following year...I don't think the goal should be to sign anyone because we have the salary slot open...That's how we ended up with Chandler and Amare..

Yeah, Chandler was terrible. Winning 54 games and Defensive Player of the Year. What a joke.

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

You have seen Cousins and Melo take over games and carry their teams in stretches..Melo has led many 50 win teams..Can't say that about Monroe..

Monroe doesn't have to take over games and carry the team - he has to mesh with Melo and make the team overall better. I think he can do that.

We've seen Amar'e take over games and carry teams. We've seen Melo take over games and carry teams. Together they were a horrible fit. It's more about fit than anything else.

It's a poor argument..Monroe simply is not a good enough player deserving the max..Problem is that you max out Monroe and you still need another scorer..

a max in 2015 is going to look like a bargain in 2016. just the way it is.

if the knicks had their own pick in 2016, I might advocate waiting and getting another lottery pick. but as is - they don't, so it's better to try to be competitive.

Try to be competitive for one year??..When much better FA will be available the following year..Then u are locked into Monroe..Like we jumped on Chandler, Chris Paul became available the same year..

Care to outline a more realistic freeagency plan for the Knicks?

It's not too complicated..If we don't get a targeted player then wait the following year...I don't think the goal should be to sign anyone because we have the salary slot open...

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

You have seen Cousins and Melo take over games and carry their teams in stretches..Melo has led many 50 win teams..Can't say that about Monroe..

Monroe doesn't have to take over games and carry the team - he has to mesh with Melo and make the team overall better. I think he can do that.

We've seen Amar'e take over games and carry teams. We've seen Melo take over games and carry teams. Together they were a horrible fit. It's more about fit than anything else.

It's a poor argument..Monroe simply is not a good enough player deserving the max..Problem is that you max out Monroe and you still need another scorer..

a max in 2015 is going to look like a bargain in 2016. just the way it is.

if the knicks had their own pick in 2016, I might advocate waiting and getting another lottery pick. but as is - they don't, so it's better to try to be competitive.

Try to be competitive for one year??..When much better FA will be available the following year..Then u are locked into Monroe..Like we jumped on Chandler, Chris Paul became available the same year..

Care to outline a more realistic freeagency plan for the Knicks?

It's not too complicated..If we don't get a targeted player then wait the following year...I don't think the goal should be to sign anyone because we have the salary slot open...

I don't think Phil looks at Monroe as just "signing anyone". I think he would have genuine interest in his talents. When you look at what this offense needs it's clear that Monroe would fit those needs.

It was also clear that Calderon fits those needs too..It was clear that JR and Shump didn't fit those needs...

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

You have seen Cousins and Melo take over games and carry their teams in stretches..Melo has led many 50 win teams..Can't say that about Monroe..

Monroe doesn't have to take over games and carry the team - he has to mesh with Melo and make the team overall better. I think he can do that.

We've seen Amar'e take over games and carry teams. We've seen Melo take over games and carry teams. Together they were a horrible fit. It's more about fit than anything else.

It's a poor argument..Monroe simply is not a good enough player deserving the max..Problem is that you max out Monroe and you still need another scorer..

a max in 2015 is going to look like a bargain in 2016. just the way it is.

if the knicks had their own pick in 2016, I might advocate waiting and getting another lottery pick. but as is - they don't, so it's better to try to be competitive.

Try to be competitive for one year??..When much better FA will be available the following year..Then u are locked into Monroe..Like we jumped on Chandler, Chris Paul became available the same year..

Care to outline a more realistic freeagency plan for the Knicks?

It's not too complicated..If we don't get a targeted player then wait the following year...I don't think the goal should be to sign anyone because we have the salary slot open...

I don't think Phil looks at Monroe as just "signing anyone". I think he would have genuine interest in his talents. When you look at what this offense needs it's clear that Monroe would fit those needs.

It was also clear that Calderon fits those needs too..It was clear that JR and Shump didn't fit those needs...

Seriously jr and shump??? Clearly lebrons greatness for making talented but inconsistent players look better than they are has you fooled.

Clearly huh..Shump played well for us in the playoffs too..He has put up identical stats in New York as he has in Cleveland..JR won sixth man of the year without LeBron..JR is having a better playoff in Cleveland than NY, when he played with the same type of injuring, as Melo...Or you could just credit leBron...

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

You have seen Cousins and Melo take over games and carry their teams in stretches..Melo has led many 50 win teams..Can't say that about Monroe..

Monroe doesn't have to take over games and carry the team - he has to mesh with Melo and make the team overall better. I think he can do that.

We've seen Amar'e take over games and carry teams. We've seen Melo take over games and carry teams. Together they were a horrible fit. It's more about fit than anything else.

It's a poor argument..Monroe simply is not a good enough player deserving the max..Problem is that you max out Monroe and you still need another scorer..

a max in 2015 is going to look like a bargain in 2016. just the way it is.

if the knicks had their own pick in 2016, I might advocate waiting and getting another lottery pick. but as is - they don't, so it's better to try to be competitive.

Try to be competitive for one year??..When much better FA will be available the following year..Then u are locked into Monroe..Like we jumped on Chandler, Chris Paul became available the same year..

Care to outline a more realistic freeagency plan for the Knicks?

It's not too complicated..If we don't get a targeted player then wait the following year...I don't think the goal should be to sign anyone because we have the salary slot open...

I don't think Phil looks at Monroe as just "signing anyone". I think he would have genuine interest in his talents. When you look at what this offense needs it's clear that Monroe would fit those needs.

It was also clear that Calderon fits those needs too..It was clear that JR and Shump didn't fit those needs...

Seriously jr and shump??? Clearly lebrons greatness for making talented but inconsistent players look better than they are has you fooled.

Clearly huh..Shump played well for us in the playoffs too..He has put up identical stats in New York as he has in Cleveland..JR won sixth man of the year without LeBron..JR is having a better playoff in Cleveland than NY, when he played with the same type of injuring, as Melo...Or you could just credit leBron...

Listen, we saw every side of these two guys in ny. We saw jr win 6th man of the year then lose his head in the playoffs and quit on Melo and has never been the same since. Shump is injury prone and a product of his environment. He had upside, but it was obvious he just wasn't going to get it done in ny. Jr just flat out couldn't handle ny. This is a full credit to how great lebron is. There's a reason we could barely give these guys away. No one would give a first rounder for shump and no one would take jr for free. There's a reason for that. But it's great for them to be in this situation.

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

You have seen Cousins and Melo take over games and carry their teams in stretches..Melo has led many 50 win teams..Can't say that about Monroe..

Monroe doesn't have to take over games and carry the team - he has to mesh with Melo and make the team overall better. I think he can do that.

We've seen Amar'e take over games and carry teams. We've seen Melo take over games and carry teams. Together they were a horrible fit. It's more about fit than anything else.

It's a poor argument..Monroe simply is not a good enough player deserving the max..Problem is that you max out Monroe and you still need another scorer..

a max in 2015 is going to look like a bargain in 2016. just the way it is.

if the knicks had their own pick in 2016, I might advocate waiting and getting another lottery pick. but as is - they don't, so it's better to try to be competitive.

Try to be competitive for one year??..When much better FA will be available the following year..Then u are locked into Monroe..Like we jumped on Chandler, Chris Paul became available the same year..

Care to outline a more realistic freeagency plan for the Knicks?

It's not too complicated..If we don't get a targeted player then wait the following year...I don't think the goal should be to sign anyone because we have the salary slot open...

I don't think Phil looks at Monroe as just "signing anyone". I think he would have genuine interest in his talents. When you look at what this offense needs it's clear that Monroe would fit those needs.

It was also clear that Calderon fits those needs too..It was clear that JR and Shump didn't fit those needs...

Seriously jr and shump??? Clearly lebrons greatness for making talented but inconsistent players look better than they are has you fooled.

Clearly huh..Shump played well for us in the playoffs too..He has put up identical stats in New York as he has in Cleveland..JR won sixth man of the year without LeBron..JR is having a better playoff in Cleveland than NY, when he played with the same type of injuring, as Melo...Or you could just credit leBron...

Listen, we saw every side of these two guys in ny. We saw jr win 6th man of the year then lose his head in the playoffs and quit on Melo and has never been the same since. Shump is injury prone and a product of his environment. He had upside, but it was obvious he just wasn't going to get it done in ny. Jr just flat out couldn't handle ny. This is a full credit to how great lebron is. There's a reason we could barely give these guys away. No one would give a first rounder for shump and no one would take jr for free. There's a reason for that. But it's great for them to be in this situation.

What part of not understanding he was hurt when he played in the playoffs??

I guess Melo quit on the Knicks this year too because it was the same injury..

Jr smith played well the first 3 games against boston, then lost his head and got suspended and when he came back he wasn't the same player. Did his injury happen during his suspension? Because he was fine until that point. The Knicks were up 3 games to none on Boston and then jr abandoned this team essentially. You can say he was injured or whatever but his poor play coincided with that suspension.