BRIGGS wrote:http://fansided.com/2015/05/26/frank-kaminskys-nba-draft-workout-video-shows-off-amazing-range-video

he looks good & we all know what Frank can do in college and will do in NBA
as far as 4th pick? You seem to have 1 guy you like at some spot every now
& then every other week

Will you change 4th? by June draft night 2015?

LOL

We got to see vs major defensive teams pressure
we always knew Dirk was a better perimeter J' consistent with D on him
than Dirk driving to hoops for points or creating.

BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:

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crzymdups wrote:

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crzymdups wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Time for a "the case for Kaminsky thread', methinks.

My main issue with him, is if you draft him, you'd better pray we sign Gasol, because otherwise I don't see how you build a team thats good enough defensively to make the playoffs.

That's my issue with him.

I'm sort of convinced that we're signing Greg Monroe - Monroe and Kaminsky would be terrible together.

Perhaps that's a false assumption I'm toiling under though.

Kaminsky Monroe would be the best passing big men tandem in the nba. Since Frank can play a Mobil 4 Monroe would have his space in the paint . On defense you have 2 seven footers

yeah, I'm coming around to that idea... oy, this draft is confusing me.

I'd still prefer Stein. But Kaminsky may be the best pure shooter of the lotto picks - he's at least second best behind Russell.

His ability to stretch to the three point line would give Melo and possibly Monroe a ton of space.

No way he's a better pure shooter than Russell imho

Russell is a good shooter but not a pure shooter. Curry is a pure shooter, Bird was a pure shooter Mullin was a pure shooter. 41% from three point line does not make you a pure shooter if that is the criteria then Calderon is a pure shooter.

I know a lot of you guys think I'm not a Russell fan I am I like his game it has a lot of potential. But once you get past his three point shooting and get inside his number don't standout.

I like Kaminsky to me he is this years McDermot.

McDermott is 6-8 tops Frank is 7-1 that's a HUGE difference I also think Frank is a better all around skill player despite the extra size.

Referring to them both being seniors and Wooden winners who put up great numbers.

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yellowboy90 wrote:Dude looks like a taller Mareese Speights. He might be 7-1 but the guy doesn't have the physical body needed to be a starter in my opinion. Maybe he can be Mirotic but will he be able to rebound? Is he going to struggle to defend?

At 7-1 235 he'll be more than big enough to hold his own against 4 or even 5's. The problem for other teams will be guarding Frank and how Franks spacing abilities will effect defenses. You need to bring a big man out 27 feet to guard him which leaves open opportunities for everyone else.

Yes, and Bargs is also 7-1, big deal. The guy has problems defending strength. Speights was a big guy with fantastic offensive talent and now he is just a back up jump shooting big.

yellowboy90 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Dude looks like a taller Mareese Speights. He might be 7-1 but the guy doesn't have the physical body needed to be a starter in my opinion. Maybe he can be Mirotic but will he be able to rebound? Is he going to struggle to defend?

At 7-1 235 he'll be more than big enough to hold his own against 4 or even 5's. The problem for other teams will be guarding Frank and how Franks spacing abilities will effect defenses. You need to bring a big man out 27 feet to guard him which leaves open opportunities for everyone else.

Yes, and Bargs is also 7-1, big deal. The guy has problems defending strength. Speights was a big guy with fantastic offensive talent and now he is just a back up jump shooting big.

Which of the top center prospects did Kaminsky get beat up by? He seems destined to be a 4, but has done well with a lot of guys destined to be centers in this league. Any team which drafts him has to be sure that he can compete defensively at the position they want him to play...I assume the Knicks will do their due diligence in this area of his game.

And to be honest, Bargs' problem is not defending strength, its his lack of awareness as a help defender, rebounding toughness, and decision making.

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Dude looks like a taller Mareese Speights. He might be 7-1 but the guy doesn't have the physical body needed to be a starter in my opinion. Maybe he can be Mirotic but will he be able to rebound? Is he going to struggle to defend?

At 7-1 235 he'll be more than big enough to hold his own against 4 or even 5's. The problem for other teams will be guarding Frank and how Franks spacing abilities will effect defenses. You need to bring a big man out 27 feet to guard him which leaves open opportunities for everyone else.

Yes, and Bargs is also 7-1, big deal. The guy has problems defending strength. Speights was a big guy with fantastic offensive talent and now he is just a back up jump shooting big.

Why are you comparing Speights with Kaminsky? dont see one similarity? Lets wait and see.

This would be my SL team

C-Thabeet
F Kaminsky
F Early
G Thansis
G N Wolters

PF Benimon
F Eddie
G Connougton
PG Fuzaro

and I wouldnt lose a game. We need to start a mentality where we are winners starting from the ground up.

Because they both possessed similar attributes offensively as draftees. I am not talking about Speights the player now but the player that was a potential lottery pick but just missed and went 16.

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yellowboy90 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Dude looks like a taller Mareese Speights. He might be 7-1 but the guy doesn't have the physical body needed to be a starter in my opinion. Maybe he can be Mirotic but will he be able to rebound? Is he going to struggle to defend?

At 7-1 235 he'll be more than big enough to hold his own against 4 or even 5's. The problem for other teams will be guarding Frank and how Franks spacing abilities will effect defenses. You need to bring a big man out 27 feet to guard him which leaves open opportunities for everyone else.

Yes, and Bargs is also 7-1, big deal. The guy has problems defending strength. Speights was a big guy with fantastic offensive talent and now he is just a back up jump shooting big.

Sometimes fans look at the physical stuff and completely forget the mental aspect of this, and any, sport.

Which of the top center prospects did Kaminsky get beat up by? He seems destined to be a 4, but has done well with a lot of guys destined to be centers in this league. Any team which drafts him has to be sure that he can compete defensively at the position they want him to play...I assume the Knicks will do their due diligence in this area of his game.

And to be honest, Bargs' problem is not defending strength, its his lack of awareness as a help defender, rebounding toughness, and decision making.

He is not going to have the physical advantage that he did against younger players and now as those younger players mature and gain a better understanding of the game he'll potentially struggle against them too. That's just on post play what happens against the 4s in the nba that stretch the floor.

yellowboy90 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Dude looks like a taller Mareese Speights. He might be 7-1 but the guy doesn't have the physical body needed to be a starter in my opinion. Maybe he can be Mirotic but will he be able to rebound? Is he going to struggle to defend?

At 7-1 235 he'll be more than big enough to hold his own against 4 or even 5's. The problem for other teams will be guarding Frank and how Franks spacing abilities will effect defenses. You need to bring a big man out 27 feet to guard him which leaves open opportunities for everyone else.

Yes, and Bargs is also 7-1, big deal. The guy has problems defending strength. Speights was a big guy with fantastic offensive talent and now he is just a back up jump shooting big.

Why are you comparing Speights with Kaminsky? dont see one similarity? Lets wait and see.

This would be my SL team

C-Thabeet
F Kaminsky
F Early
G Thansis
G N Wolters

PF Benimon
F Eddie
G Connougton
PG Fuzaro

and I wouldnt lose a game. We need to start a mentality where we are winners starting from the ground up.

Because they both possessed similar attributes offensively as draftees. I am not talking about Speights the player now but the player that was a potential lottery pick but just missed and went 16.

They did? I know you like Florida and probably know them better than me for sure--but Speights was an early entry draftee who never took a 3 in college and plays the game much more similar to Amare Stoudemire.

He was an in and out player with a post game and smooth jumper. He wasn't Amar'e at all. Then in workouts he would flash his 3pt shooting ability, ala Towns. Dude was shooting 62.4% from the field on almost 10 FGs as a sophomore. The dude had talent off the charts.

The potential saving grace for Kaminsky is his mental make up and IQ. Will he work on his short comings and combine the scouting report with anticipation to make up for his weaknesses? Will his offense be so good that it makes up for his potentially shoty D? I just don't know.

Frank Kaminsky has a chance to be one of "the main guys" from the 4 in the NBA in years to come. If Frank is aggressive and keeps working on his body--his upside is solid. What would Frank average if he played 38 minutes and was afforded 13-15 shots a night? His basketball IQ is very high his skills are off the charts and hes 7-1. He's not a non athlete either. When you are the guy in the post--like Okafor was there will be periods that you just cant keep a 100% efficiency on the D but I think Frank has all the defensive fundamentals down--he knows how to position sit on someone's shoulder or weak side to offset some quickness issues. The only negative is his wingspan(or wongspan if you like) at 7-1 he can afford to give some space but not as much as a guy like Porzingis can with his expansive reach. I think Frank has many similarities in projection to Vucevic although they are not the same player. Vucevic was also criticized for many similar traits and went 16. Really he was a top 3 choice.