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codeunknown wrote:I'll trade Carmelo and a 2018 1st round top 5 protected (in perpetuity) pick for the Lakers # 2 pick.

And in line with this improbable but interesting scenario, I draft Russell at 2, Mudiay at 4, sign Aldridge (20), D Jordan (20) and Carroll (10).

Mudiay
Russell
Carroll
Aldridge
Jordan

toronto would be thrilled

No they wouldn't.

would too

1. How many wins does that team get?
2. What current relevance should/does Toronto's pick have on Knick decision making?

a lot of relevance. The knicks can't stink next year and can't go into rebuild mode because that pick is gonna irk many for years.

Aldridge takes terrible shots
Jordan is great at cleanup and dunks but can't create anything and can't shoot foul shots
Carroll is a nice energy player in the Ariza role
Mudiay is a kid who can't shoot and if he is good, it may take a few years to see the fruits
Russell is going to have to get stronger and it will take him a few years to shine

an all rookie backcourt aint gonna work.

that team will lose > 50 games

Well, as with several of your recent assessments, I think you're completely off the mark.
Unfortunately, we won't have a chance to realize the experiment but that team wins 45 games in year 1. And 55-60 in year 3.
Regardless of you being irked for many years, distancing the "save face" component from future decision making will yield better cumulative results.

which assessments don't you agree with?

you did not address my concerns with the lineup that you proposed.

Your concerns with the lineup are largely frivolous. Jordan not creating anything on offense is extraneous - he is the best rebounder in the league and a great defender. Aldridge does take bad shots, and while not optimal, results in a WS/48 of 0.165, quite productive. Carroll stretches the floor for 2 penetrating guards/ also a net positive player on both ends with a WS/48 of 0.154.

The only reasonable concern you had above is that the backcourt is in their first year. I expect both will be serviceable next year, in part because of Russell's immediate shooting impact and Mudiay's year of professional prep. Again, I'm not as irked as you are by what Toronto gets next year; what the Knicks get going forward is more salient.

those TS's would tank if they played together

I didn't mention true shooting percentages but go ahead and describe why they would suffer, given strong and weak side dynamic 2-man options.

mreinman wrote:

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mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

codeunknown wrote:I'll trade Carmelo and a 2018 1st round top 5 protected (in perpetuity) pick for the Lakers # 2 pick.

And in line with this improbable but interesting scenario, I draft Russell at 2, Mudiay at 4, sign Aldridge (20), D Jordan (20) and Carroll (10).

Mudiay
Russell
Carroll
Aldridge
Jordan

toronto would be thrilled

No they wouldn't.

would too

1. How many wins does that team get?
2. What current relevance should/does Toronto's pick have on Knick decision making?

a lot of relevance. The knicks can't stink next year and can't go into rebuild mode because that pick is gonna irk many for years.

Aldridge takes terrible shots
Jordan is great at cleanup and dunks but can't create anything and can't shoot foul shots
Carroll is a nice energy player in the Ariza role
Mudiay is a kid who can't shoot and if he is good, it may take a few years to see the fruits
Russell is going to have to get stronger and it will take him a few years to shine

an all rookie backcourt aint gonna work.

that team will lose > 50 games

Well, as with several of your recent assessments, I think you're completely off the mark.
Unfortunately, we won't have a chance to realize the experiment but that team wins 45 games in year 1. And 55-60 in year 3.
Regardless of you being irked for many years, distancing the "save face" component from future decision making will yield better cumulative results.

which assessments don't you agree with?

you did not address my concerns with the lineup that you proposed.

Your concerns with the lineup are largely frivolous. Jordan not creating anything on offense is extraneous - he is the best rebounder in the league and a great defender. Aldridge does take bad shots, and while not optimal, results in a WS/48 of 0.165, quite productive. Carroll stretches the floor for 2 penetrating guards/ also a net positive player on both ends with a WS/48 of 0.154.

The only reasonable concern you had above is that the backcourt is in their first year. I expect both will be serviceable next year, in part because of Russell's immediate shooting impact and Mudiay's year of professional prep. Again, I'm not as irked as you are by what Toronto gets next year; what the Knicks get going forward is more salient.

those TS's would tank if they played together

I didn't mention true shooting percentages but go ahead and describe why they would suffer, given strong and weak side dynamic 2-man options.

I meant WS48 but yes. their TS's would suffer too

Who all does "they" include - only Aldridge and Carroll or the entire lineup? and why would their contributions suffer?

crzymdups wrote:The Knicks are ****ing morons and as long as they are run by Dolan, they will continue to be run into the ground.

Phil and his staff are looking to put a team together that can win in the short term. However, they aren't completely selling off the future as some may think. They may make a deal that can help bring in more talent and still use the draft to add a young player. Maybe they are not as worried about staying at 4 if they can leverage that pick into more assets and still grab a good player like WCS. I think if they make a deal it would be to get more assets and take Stein to anchor the defense. Then they can go hard in Free Agency for a scoring big like LMA or Monroe and a SG like Danny Green. We may not like it but that could be one of their options.