newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If we get towns and Kaminski does fall to 12-16 I'd be willing to use 12mms in cap to acquire him. I'd be very aggressive doing that and then just go after Carroll alone in free agency

That's why you're not a GM and sitting on a message board. LOL

If the Knicks got towns kaminsky and Carroll they would easily have the best offseason of any team. Not even close

Ummmmm what?? So please tell me how did the other 29 teams do in free agency since for some odd reason you already know?? Hahaha I am a fan of those three though but not sure how we'd get Towns and Frank the tank?

How can we get all 3?

We get pick 1
If frank falls and it becomes possible to acquire him using cap space and a future pick if need be we aggressively execute it.
Finally we outbids for carrolls services
Sign schveyd to a full mle

We can bring in 2-3 d leagues and a couple of ufda and vet minimum

This is an actual possibility. Would have e to have things go our way but I couldn't see our offseason better

By the way real gm scks I don't care if they have more members ultimate knicks com is 500x better and anyone who uses this forum knows it

newyorker4ever wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Not bad and certainly realistic -- I've got a slightly different take:

I'd like to see the point upgraded with a legit NBA PG--I'd rather throw the $10-13mm at Cory Joseph (or slightly more than half that amount at Jeremy Lin) over DeMarre Carroll. Bringing back Alexey Shved is a priority as well. Carroll's nice but I feel we can come up with a similar player or composite of several players that equate to Carroll elsewhere for much cheaper. Next, make Alexis Ajinca (our very own Roy Hibbert) and Lavoy Allen (a hybrid of Kurt Thomas/Mo Speights/David West -- the man can shoot, post up and rebound well) our 2 top frontcourt FA priorities -- we get both guys for a good price and sit back and watch each player's production soar next year with expanded roles/increased minutes. Finally, I'd like to see Phil reconstruct the rest of the roster using high-quality/low-cost NBA/DL FAs and a high 2nd round pick we acquire for either THJ or Early. Also, Jose Calderon needs to be stretched for the extra cash. It's imperative. Makes zero sense to keep him on board for $8mm or whatever he's on the books for next year. If it doesn't happen -- no good man. If Calderon's back, either one of two things: (1) Phil can't admit a mistake or (2) Dolan refuses to pony up the cash to make Calderon go away -- I don't know which is more frustrating from a fan's perspective. I actually wouldn't mind seeing Calderon back as a coach at some point, he seems very heady and engaging on the sidelines, talking to players etc. -- but not as a main cog player anymore...I wouldn't mind something like this:

5 - Alexis Ajinca
4 - Lavoy Allen
3 - Carmelo Anthony
2 - Alexey Shved
1 - Cory Joseph (or Jeremy Lin 2nd choice)
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5 - Jordan Bachynski (or resign Cole Aldrich 2nd choice)
4 - Thomas Robinson
3 - Eric Griffin (or Luke Babbitt 2nd choice)
2 - Scotty Hopson (or Kevin Murphy, Orlando Johnson, Dominique Jones -- if there's one position we don't need to spend a ton on to upgrade, it's the 2 spot)
1 - Joseph Young -- high 2nd rounder we acquire for either THJ and/or Early and/or cash (could we combine these assets for a low 1st rounder possibly?) -- the other player is dealt for a future draft pick
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5 - Earl Barron - underrated/skilled 7 footer that deserves a full-time gig in the NBA
4 - Jerrelle Benimon or Khem Birch (or we forget Barron and carry Benimon AND Birch. Allen can play some 5)
3 - Thanasis Antetokounmpo
2 - Ricky Ledo (or Kevin Murphy, Orlando Johnson, Dominique Jones)
1 - Langston Galloway

Not even counting our top-5 pick which obviously gets assimilated as a main rotation component, most likely as a starter. Not sure who that'll be at this point--either one of the top big men, a wing like Winslow/Russell or the big PG Mudiay (provided Phil doesn't trade the pick if it turns out being pick 4 or 5, something he keeps talking about doing--he better be right--if he brings back some high-salary player/package of players, it better be good enough or else he'll ruin this team for another 5 years minimum). I like the look of this team even sans the draft pick. It's got everything we need -- upgraded size; youth; big upgrade at the point with a good young, productive PG with championship experience that's ready to run his own team; upgraded rebounding with Ajinca/Allen/Robinson/Barron/Benimon/Birch; legit rim protection with Bachynski/Birch/Griffin; 2 standout individual defenders in Thanasis and Griffin; upgraded scoring across the board and quality depth at all positions all the way down to 15 -- all w/o overpaying any one guy individually which will give us flexibility should we have to break up the roster again on the fly or a part of it. With this group, I'd be looking to win 50 games, challenge for the Atlantic Division title and get past the 1st round in the playoffs. Then we evaluate a few things moving forward: who's worth keeping, who becomes legit trade bait, who assumes 2nd best player status on this team next to Melo (could be any number of new players including our top-5 draft pick), and what we need to go even further the following year when the cap expands -- quite a few good possibilities (maybe a Nicolas Batum in a Scottie Pippen-type role perhaps).

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/08/06/durant-heads-2016-free-agency-class-that-will-be-best-ever/.

Both options you say on why we'd keep Calderon are ridiculous. First of all Phil already said it was a bad trade and second of all......did you really say that Dolan would refuse to pony up cash?? Hahahaha that dude has NEVER had a problem spending money on the Knicks EVER.

Ridiculous huh? Not to me. When did Phil come out and declare he made "a bad trade"? Could be although I don't recall reading that. You got a link? If anything, I recall him saying (and standing by) why he traded Chandler -- and those comments came late in the season. And yeah, I feel Dolan may have a problem ponying up money to make a mistake go away -- esp. a mistake that's owed over $15mm over the next 2 seasons. No proof, just a feeling I have and I trust my own gut. He's spent money on his teams, yes (and never wisely going back as far as I can remember), but he's not the passionate fan a guy like Mark Cuban is or the late George Steinbrenner was--two guys that would do whatever it took to right a wrong...Dolan's a completely different animal.. Did he pony up the money to keep Jeremy Lin?? No, he ordered his people to go get a cheaper option in Ray Felton, right (guys like Cuban or George would've be like, "F you Morey--you're not taking Lin away from me!")? Did he give Phil the money or go-ahead to sign some of the top DL talent toward the end of the season (Phil was supposedly in on JaMychal Green--so why didn't we get him? Was it a money issue??), meanwhile division rival Philly tried out a billion guys this year, dropping 10-day contracts all over the joint. What do you want me to tell you? And what's with your affinity for James Dolan btw?!? That dude doesn't give a **** about you buddy, believe me. I don't get a good read on Dolan as a guy with bottomless pockets that will do whatever he has to do to make mistakes disappear, unless it's for his buddy Isiah. Let me ask you this -- then why hasn't Calderon been stretched already? It's clearly the right thing to do -- it would cover our draft pick as far as cap impact goes, leaving max cap room available to sign players or absorb players in a trade...Why has Phil come out and said Calderon will be back? I mean is he kidding?? The man's shot. Who in their right mind wants Jose Calderon running this team next year??

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:Media and fans would start calling for Phil's head..You are not going to pay another guy that plays Melo's position 13 mil...

Anthony is a 3-4
Carroll is a 2-3-4

Carroll is not a 2, 3, 4 - he's an aging decent 3.

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If we get towns and Kaminski does fall to 12-16 I'd be willing to use 12mms in cap to acquire him. I'd be very aggressive doing that and then just go after Carroll alone in free agency

That's why you're not a GM and sitting on a message board. LOL

If the Knicks got towns kaminsky and Carroll they would easily have the best offseason of any team. Not even close

Ummmmm what?? So please tell me how did the other 29 teams do in free agency since for some odd reason you already know?? Hahaha I am a fan of those three though but not sure how we'd get Towns and Frank the tank?

How can we get all 3?

We get pick 1
If frank falls and it becomes possible to acquire him using cap space and a future pick if need be we aggressively execute it.
Finally we outbids for carrolls services
Sign schveyd to a full mle

We can bring in 2-3 d leagues and a couple of ufda and vet minimum

This is an actual possibility. Would have e to have things go our way but I couldn't see our offseason better

By the way real gm scks I don't care if they have more members ultimate knicks com is 500x better and anyone who uses this forum knows it

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If we get towns and Kaminski does fall to 12-16 I'd be willing to use 12mms in cap to acquire him. I'd be very aggressive doing that and then just go after Carroll alone in free agency

That's why you're not a GM and sitting on a message board. LOL

If the Knicks got towns kaminsky and Carroll they would easily have the best offseason of any team. Not even close

Ummmmm what?? So please tell me how did the other 29 teams do in free agency since for some odd reason you already know?? Hahaha I am a fan of those three though but not sure how we'd get Towns and Frank the tank?

How can we get all 3?

We get pick 1
If frank falls and it becomes possible to acquire him using cap space and a future pick if need be we aggressively execute it.
Finally we outbids for carrolls services
Sign schveyd to a full mle

We can bring in 2-3 d leagues and a couple of ufda and vet minimum

This is an actual possibility. Would have e to have things go our way but I couldn't see our offseason better

By the way real gm scks I don't care if they have more members ultimate knicks com is 500x better and anyone who uses this forum knows it

Hahahaha you have a answer for everything don't you?? You're right that is definitely possible and i'd give it about a 3% chance of it happening......but it's definitely possible. LOL

20% is about right

BRIGGS wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Schved has sucked for all but what 15 games as a knick? Sorry but I'm far from sold on him. Plus he's a turnstile on defense. No thanks

If he committed to working on his body than giving him 3-4 years and 4-6 mm per is a no brained. And if we choose not to it just opens up another hole.

BRIGGS wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I like all of those guys. Do you guys think a guy like Crowder would be better money spent than on DeMarre? I didn't think hs game would translate to the nba but I think he was the heart and soul of te celtics in the playoffs.

Carroll will cost 12-13mm
Koufus6-7mm
Schveyd 5-6 mm

Briggs I love your endless ideas and options but you are going to take $12m and give it to a +28 year-old journeyman who plays the exact same position Phil wants Melo at. Than with Koufas (a guy I'm intrigued by) you are going to giveaway $7M to a guy the Grizzlies have barely let off the bench in the playoffs. Lastly with Schved you are giving him $5M and he's a guy most every fan on this board laughed about when we picked him up from Houston. He played great on a brutal team where he could have the ball in his hands all the time. You have no concept of how he will fit with Melo and/or if Melo will even want him around (see Jeremy Lin).

You get no legit player here - we have to get at least one. I think it will be Monroe unless we come out of the draft with Okafor.

Legend I'm ok with coming out of the offseason with players who I don't marry just because they're there. I do think Carroll is a guy who can bring us a legit 16-18 points 6-7 rebounds3-4 assists shooting a high erg with good D that would really help turn our differential around. I think he's a plus player I'm not as big on Monroe I don't think he's ever shown to be plus player but obviously he may be high on the Knicks wish list.

I would use the d league draft trades and free agency about the same to build the team. I don't think free agency alone is make or break in anyway

Here are the facts as they currently stand...

- we get a high draft pick
- we have about $26M to spend on FAs
- we literally have nothing of value to trade

So you make your #1 - #5 pick and you find a legit player or 2 in FA

Anyone you are hoping to find via D-league will be a role player at best

If we get Towns we target Monroe. If we get Okafor maybe we target a stretch 4. If we get Russell or Mudiay we go get a defensive center that can play pick and roll.

I don't think you leave Melo and the pick to solve our offensive woes by themselves - you need more legit talent than you are proposing. You are reading too much into Carroll's series against the wiz. Using that methodology you would assume K-Korver sucks.

Moonangie wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If we get towns and Kaminski does fall to 12-16 I'd be willing to use 12mms in cap to acquire him. I'd be very aggressive doing that and then just go after Carroll alone in free agency

I kind of like this idea. I'm definitely in the boat of wanting to focus on our rebuild. If using cap space and/or trading Melo can accelerate that, I'm for it. It's nothing against Melo...he's a stud. But I just don't see how the timing lines up with his chip window. Unless our picks and FAs get into contention-mode quickly, he's better off going for it elsewhere.

I don't get this - how do we use $12M to get Frank?

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Koufus avg 36 min 424 nba games 13 points 11 rebounds 2 blocks 53% 26 years old coming into his prime

Is this at all possible - where are those stats from?

I like Koufas but those are nice stats and I don't think they belong to Koufas