nixluva wrote:knickscity wrote:Old school basketball is as relevant as flip phones. People still have them, they still can make calls and text with them. other than that it's useless. I've always been of the belief that if your mid range is good, extend it to the three point line. Obviously a team cant be 3pt based, but that shot is important. If Phil thinks otherwise, then he is sleeping at the wheel since he's had several great 3pt shooters that he coached.
Do you realize how foolish it sounds to rag on Phil who has forgotten more than any of us know about winning basketball?
You seem to misunderstand what is meant by Old School. It doesn't mean zero deep threats. It's just more of a focus on getting more shots close to the basket. This notion that it's all about midrange shots is just wrong.
Phil isn't going to build a team or style of play that is over reliant on the 3 and PnR. He wants to play more inside out ball which is proven successful in playoffs. Good teams will chase you off the 3pt line so you'd better be able to get to the basket. Post play and penetration will open up 3's.
Nixluva, I think you are being a bit biased on this one
Teams and the NBA have changed much since Phil Jackson era's
In the end, the game, talent level, and physical abilities with skills of talents/players has changed from Phil Jackon years, and many teams now adapted to it, have the ability to hit many uncontest 3pters like they were FT distance shots, they must be defended
Dantoni's philosphies has influenced much of the league of using stretch 4's, or/and using SF's to play PF's, along with using PF's to play Center, while it allows penetration from other position to constantly attack, as well as better spacing, 1v1 opportunities, easy cuts for layups/dunks, and less HELP DEFENDERS/SHOT BLOCKERS as a result
In addition to having LEGIT centers that could shoot 3pters and possibly having 5 players that could hit the wide open 3pter with ease, especially for 2nd units
Running 2 PG's lineups with good size/athleticism/ability to penetrate and facilitate with the ability to hit the 3pter, like Dennis Schoredder and Teague which both have good size as well as Al Horford as mid range shooter in addition to Millsap/Korver/Scott/Muscula/Antic/Kent Bazemore/Mack/ all capapble of hitting the 3pt shot, so will 2 BIGS such as Bynum and Gasol work together on the floor as they cannot go out to contest the shooters? Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol were a poor pairing together, while it looked good on paper, it simply doesn't work anymore, even with a healthy Kobe before his injury
The 3pter is no longer a hard shot anymore, if NOT contested, with many players able to hit it, the range of players are way beyond the 3pt line...
1- there are much more athletic players with size, speed/quckness, and versatile talents for every position, with the ability to shoot
Virtually ANYONE could hit wide open 3pters from any position, and you cannot give an opponent a wide open shot and it must be contested for even the not so good ones like Tony Allen, and for the better shooters, they need to be defended at all times, while some shooters deserve the attention as their defender must not look to cheat
For a player like Tony Allen, you can cheat more, and sometimes you will not be able to recover in time, but you still cannot DEFEND him at all, like how the OLD SCHOOL NBA you could do that for many players
2- There are much more shooters now on EVERY POSITION with much better shooters in a lineup/rotation that play together that spreads the floor
Unlike back then, their use to be probably only 2-3 legit 3pt shooters in a lineup, where the standard now is to have 3-4 shooters, with possibly 5 now, especially for smaller lineups for the bench
The evolution of Dantoni with using stretch 4's and 5's, and using SF's with the size and strength/ability to play PF like Lebron, Durant, Paul George, CA, Rudy Gay, Millsap?, Jabari Parker etc...
3- the standard for the PG and SG were much smaller than they are today, Jeff Horneck and John Starks playing SG, while Jordan was one of the only players that played SG at such a huge size/strength/athleticism/defensive ability etc
As well as the PG's, being 6 not would be considered pretty small and be weakness on DEFENSE while there are talents like Westbrook, John Wall, Curry, Teague/Dennis Schoredder, Conly, etc...
4- the league and rules have changed the game
they no longer want to see slow defensive games, with many weak calls that would be considered fouls and flagrants in this age would not even be considered a HARD FOUL
After SHAQ, the rules of having a semi ZONE right now, adding in the athleticism/quickness/mobility with their size/length of talents to recover, while back then it was all 1v1 only
ALSO, I remember reading a Durant vs Oden post/responce you made
It really wasn't as easy of a pick as you can say now, while looking back at the results
For the same reason why many suggest you should always take a BIG over a SMALL, well, Oden is that player that could have been a SOLID PLAYER if he was able to stay healthy while Durant could have become a Beasley that was much weaker....
There were plenty of people that believed Oden should have been picked first at the time, including me, after watching how Beasley was and knowing Durant couldn't even do 1 bench press that many H.S. have no problem doing it, playing in a MEN's LEAGUE
Oden could have been a player that was something like 50%, 15pts, 10rebs +, 2assist, 2-3blocks, 1-2 steals
Now looking back at this coming draft, isn't Towns and OK4 considered the TOP 2 picks?
There are quite a lot of players that could become better all round players than those 2 and have better careers, but that is the point that you agree with but with Durant you have the luxury of seeing the results to say it was "obvious"
NixLuva, I am not TripleThreat, I do not look to troll you or any other poster, but I have and will occasionally let you and others know when I feel you are extremely wrong or the way you come up with your anaylasiss is completely flawed...
5/12/2015 9:44 AM