callmened wrote:great point...how old is carroll? 29? would you give him a long term 5 yr commitment?

He'll turn 29 in June. Can you give Carroll a 5 yr deal and not offer the 30 y/o Millsap a 5 yr deal or vice versa? On top of that Horford will be a 30 y/o FA next year. I guess you can always cross that bridge when you come to it but FO suppose look a stuff like that.

On top of all this the personal choice players like Millsap and Carroll will have about long term security versus short term money and a chance for more in 2016. Will a team offer them a large two year deal with an option, (mini Lebron deal)?

They have many verastile players that allow them to do a lot of other things that other teams cannot, they have a lot of contracts that are underpaid as well, some of which are on rookie contracts
Atltanta has been one of the biggest jokes/messes for many seasons and turned it all around this season
Also must credit their HD, Bud, and his coaching staff, development staff/assistant coach/trainers as well....
They play TOGETHER with many HIGH IQ Players and versatile players, to make up for their lack of ALL STARS

Carroll is playing well this season and he is playing GREAT THIS SEASON

However, when evaluating Carroll, you must also consider that they have a LOT OF TALENT that are verastile on both ends, in addition to Carroll, that allows him to be successfull
While they do not have an "ALL STAR", they do do have multiple talents that could play many positions on both OFF and DEFENSE, and have a great coach in Coach Bud that is in the tree of the great Poppavich
On top of that they have a lot of HIGH IQ players that play TOGETHER for the better of the team

They were able to put this team together because they got a bunch of players at under their value and developed in the couple of years together
Even Antic is a big part of what they do, a stretch 5, that could play in the paint for DEFENSE/REBOUNDING

Teague's strength is penetrating and a decent scorer/defender *with Dennis Shroedder probably eventually becoming the better player by next year, espeically with Teague's injuries, I see them probably trading Teague first and promoting Shroedder

both Korver and Carroll could play anywhere from SG - PF in stretches on switches,
Korver has great size and quickness and he can shoot the ball so many different ways, especially with PnR, double screens, and movement off the ball
Carroll has improved much, however, you have to consider that he is playing as the 4th option on a team as well

2 versatile players on BOTH ENDS and probably the 2 most important players in their team, both of which have high motor, great range that creates room to penerate and 1v1 opportunities for team mates, and can play inside as well
Millsap *though undersized, he has the ability to play SF to Center, now adding 3p range, and will get paid, with great verastility to play and defend multiple positions
Al Horford *though lacks height, has a great wide body with broad shooters, big butt, a great mid range game, and can handle the ball, can finish and facilitate in the post very well as well as for rebounds/defense*

Dennis Schroedder
Mike Scott, could play SF/PF, maybe some SG's
Antic
Kent Bazemore, they loss THabo Sefelosha for the playoffs
Mike Muscula

The ones that are unlikely to play in the playoffs as the rotations get tighter in the play offs

Shelvin Mack is quite under rated and if Teague is unable to go *who has been playing with injuries*, he should get more minutes

John Jenkins
Elton Brand
Austin Daye
JARELL EDDIE *didn't know they signed him from the D League, but he was a sharpshooter at th 2/3 that I hoped we would have brought up*

SupremeCommander wrote:his value has gone up but he is not getting a max deal... I heard the ESPN talking heads say something to the effect of "you're not going to go far with DeMarre being your leading scorer"

I can't see him getting much more that $10-12 mil a year

I think on team might say--hey were getting this guy with two years at a 71% discount to market right? I think there will be atleast one team offering him 4 years 56mm and then other free agents like Green Bellinelli will get much higher than people think due to advanced stats

BRIGGS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:his value has gone up but he is not getting a max deal... I heard the ESPN talking heads say something to the effect of "you're not going to go far with DeMarre being your leading scorer"

I can't see him getting much more that $10-12 mil a year

I think on team might say--hey were getting this guy with two years at a 71% discount to market right? I think there will be atleast one team offering him 4 years 56mm and then other free agents like Green Bellinelli will get much higher than people think due to advanced stats

I could see a team going that high but I think it's foolish. Wes Matthes is getting $7.5 million/year. The cap is going up so we all know everyone is going to get paid more. I think $9 to 10 million is the sweet spot and that that would be a good deal. I'm okay with overpaying to get the guy but I would say $14mm/yr would be dumb

SupremeCommander wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:his value has gone up but he is not getting a max deal... I heard the ESPN talking heads say something to the effect of "you're not going to go far with DeMarre being your leading scorer"

I can't see him getting much more that $10-12 mil a year

Right - he's not a star player. But he's very good and efficient at being a player orbiting around a star. And that is valuable, extremely valuable. That's actually exactly what the Knicks need.

Look at how Tim Hardaway and Andrea Bargnani struggle when they aren't the focal point of the offense. We need guys who are good at not being the focal point to surround Melo and whichever big post scorer Phil brings in. We need some snipers who can nail wide open shots and defend at the other end. To me, that's worth $12M to get a starter who could do that around Melo and say Okafor or Monroe in the low post.

Don't get me wrong I would be happy with him on the roster... I just don't see how him on a max deal makes sesne

I was sort of exaggerating when I said max. But I could easily see $12M starting salary for him. Considering he's making $4M now, that's quite a bump.