mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:I can't see DJordan as a knick. Has Phil ever had a guy like that on any team?

Jordan is Tyson Chandler in my book, but not as good a FT shooter.

did you see rodman with a phil-team?

sure did!!!

Whats that? HOF speach? The dude is not on the same level of Tyson or Jordan. Way higher. Rodman had a crazy motor and could dominate both ends of the floor for short bursts and take over a game.

But lets not forget the scrubs he played with too! (sarcasm) Rodman was a role player. A HOF role player. Look at who he played with and the chemistry of how it all came together. Espeically in Detroit. Lambier could hit an outside shot!!!

Nalod wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:I can't see DJordan as a knick. Has Phil ever had a guy like that on any team?

Jordan is Tyson Chandler in my book, but not as good a FT shooter.

did you see rodman with a phil-team?

sure did!!!

Whats that? HOF speach? The dude is not on the same level of Tyson or Jordan. Way higher. Rodman had a crazy motor and could dominate both ends of the floor for short bursts and take over a game.

But lets not forget the scrubs he played with too! (sarcasm) Rodman was a role player. A HOF role player. Look at who he played with and the chemistry of how it all came together. Espeically in Detroit. Lambier could hit an outside shot!!!

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The average team gets about a point a possession, meaning 50% from the line and you would break even. If you're 5 percent below that, you're making one less free throw out of 20. If you take about 20 FTs a week, you're costing your team about a point a week.
He makes up for it and goes so far beyond that actually, that I would have no problem giving him the max.
Note that I actually read a while ago that 47% was the break even point but they didn't explain the number and I thought it would have been closer to low 50s. So I put 50% as a rough estimate.

its probably lower than just the number of points per possession since you are compiling fouls on players and also putting them in the penalty.

So, when you take DA out of the game, the other team may be over the limit and it will hurt them.

that's a good point.

Dollar for dollar, Bismack Biyombo may be the better acquisition. You have to project using per 36 mins for Biyombo, but you end up with 11 rebs and 3 blocks per game. Biyombo is an RFA though.

Bonn1997 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The average team gets about a point a possession, meaning 50% from the line and you would break even. If you're 5 percent below that, you're making one less free throw out of 20. If you take about 20 FTs a week, you're costing your team about a point a week.
He makes up for it and goes so far beyond that actually, that I would have no problem giving him the max.
Note that I actually read a while ago that 47% was the break even point but they didn't explain the number and I thought it would have been closer to low 50s. So I put 50% as a rough estimate.

Apples to oranges. The average team's point per possession is inclusive of their free throw percentage which on average is 75%+. Broadening the scope of FT shooting to a per possession loss factor is an error because not all possessions were created equally.

In the last two minutes of a game, arguably the most important 2 minutes, where there is a point differential of a few points, you are taking opportunities where you should get 1.5points per possession and trading that for .9pts per possession.

It is compounded in the short term because possessions decrease from 20 secs per possession to 2-4 secs per possession. You can end up with 10 possessions in that last minute. 1.5 -0.9 = 0.6 x 10 possessions = 6 points.

I still think he is worth that loss factor, for instance, Jordan recovers 15% of offensive rebounds -- meaning he gets 1 out of 6 misses back for his team - better than most players in the league. Overall his plus minus is pretty good. I might sit him in the foul shooting contests -- the last two minutes of a tight game, but otherwise, I think he gets a max contract.

No team gets 1.5 points per possession in the closing 2 min. Usually efficiency goes down in the closing parts of games actually.

If you foul me on every possession and my team gets 75% from the free throw line. Two shots per foul. On average, how many points should I get per possession? 1.5 by my math.

Stevo718 wrote:I'd give Deandre Jordan the max if we could trade Melo for him right after.

Are u a LAC fan?

EwingsGlass wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The average team gets about a point a possession, meaning 50% from the line and you would break even. If you're 5 percent below that, you're making one less free throw out of 20. If you take about 20 FTs a week, you're costing your team about a point a week.
He makes up for it and goes so far beyond that actually, that I would have no problem giving him the max.
Note that I actually read a while ago that 47% was the break even point but they didn't explain the number and I thought it would have been closer to low 50s. So I put 50% as a rough estimate.

Apples to oranges. The average team's point per possession is inclusive of their free throw percentage which on average is 75%+. Broadening the scope of FT shooting to a per possession loss factor is an error because not all possessions were created equally.

In the last two minutes of a game, arguably the most important 2 minutes, where there is a point differential of a few points, you are taking opportunities where you should get 1.5points per possession and trading that for .9pts per possession.

It is compounded in the short term because possessions decrease from 20 secs per possession to 2-4 secs per possession. You can end up with 10 possessions in that last minute. 1.5 -0.9 = 0.6 x 10 possessions = 6 points.

I still think he is worth that loss factor, for instance, Jordan recovers 15% of offensive rebounds -- meaning he gets 1 out of 6 misses back for his team - better than most players in the league. Overall his plus minus is pretty good. I might sit him in the foul shooting contests -- the last two minutes of a tight game, but otherwise, I think he gets a max contract.

No team gets 1.5 points per possession in the closing 2 min. Usually efficiency goes down in the closing parts of games actually.

If you foul me on every possession and my team gets 75% from the free throw line. Two shots per foul. On average, how many points should I get per possession? 1.5 by my math.