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We May Fantasize Over Picks... Still, Uncle Phil Knows His Knicks (for now) Have A Long Way To Go
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Nalod
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4/22/2015  1:55 PM
When my boss tells me to do something, I have to do it. If he asks me my opinon, i give it. Somtimes he says "Your right, but do it anyway".
Dolan has been involved in Knicks for years.

When I have to answer for a corp. decision that was made I don't point fingers. I own it. I might not have agreed to it but I own it. Donnie to me owned it. Phil is the voice and he owns it.

We are not privy to the discussions and who really decides what. Its pretty much known Donnie got moved aside by Dolan and got his Melo. I'd almost guess Donnie was told to clear cap to bid on Lebron.
Nothing in Donnies career ever comes close to Amare and all that went with it. Donnie was not allowed to spend 100 mil of Simons money, and I doubt he was with Dolans. No language would ever put a GM on the podioum and NOT OWN IT so what do we believe?

I believe the Boss dictates the direction of the team and Dolan has been driving it afraid to rebuild and all that goes with it. Thanks to McKinsey he was called out. Thanks to Donald Sterling the valuation of the company on the books went thru the roof. These two events gave him a window. Phil can sell it. No way Phil comes here under the old starphuch system. He came to rebuild. sometimes when you start a rebuild you find Mold in the walls. If you do you have to take it down to the studs. That means it takes longer and costs more. But at this juncture we can put it together right, or quick. I think phil said he'd be fine to not be here so I take it "Quick" is not in the cards.

Regarding Melo, He is an asset that can be traded if both agree to it. I think its reasonable that is a handshake deal they have if Melo wants out. A healthy Melo yields a good return.

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misterearl
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4/22/2015  3:29 PM
The Answer Man Is Many Things But He is Never, ever Predictable


Q. jrodmc - Trading a first round pick suddenly screams desperation?

A. Absolutely

Q. jrodmc - Would you trade a first round pick for Westbrook or Durant or God Forbid, LeQ?

A. You Damn skippy

Q. jrodmc - How about a couple of Lamarus Alrich/Kyle Lowry/John Wall types?

A. Just one of those types would suit me fine. Good luck with that in a 19 year old.

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knickscity
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4/22/2015  4:28 PM
Uptown wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:h
knicks1248 wrote:
The only positives about this season is learning from your failing mistakes, and going about it entirely different. you have to do everything the opposite of what you did to lose 67 games.

You seem to think of building a roster and results on the floor as a year to year thing in a vaccuum.

The Knicks team this year was a result of previous years trying to stay afloat with older players and highly paid veterans......plus.......a failed attempt to revamp that previous roster by trading Chandler and signing a guy like Jason Smith. The issue with the previous roster is that it did not offer any flexibility based on no cap space and the Knicks being over the apron. The previous roster also had players on the last year of contracts or otherwise who were not going to be resigned and not part of the Knicks future due to age, injuries or ineffectiveness (Amare, Chandler, Shumpert, Prigs (buyout option), Felton, Kenyon Martin, Udrih, MWP, Jeremy Tyler, Toure Murry).

By eventually deciding to strip the roster down, the Knicks are essentially doing the opposite of what they had been doing for many years....not just what they did this year. In your recent posting history, you seem to place all the blame on Phil for this season, I place all the blame on the motus operandi of the team over the past 15 years.

Some of you guys defends phils moves as if he did everything the right away and ONLY way, and phil himself has admitted to failing. he went from Plan A to plan D real quick.

But thats in the past, i'm done with that, I'm focus on the future. Phil is not going to be around long, and at the very least he should have a very solid core in place.

Which was the right thing to do, to admit you were wrong and hit the reset button. When did Isiah, Walsh, Layden, ever admit to a mistake? They simply exacerbated the issues by trading away picks and players for more ill-fitting parts.


It's nice that Phil admitted mistakes, but that doesnt clear them up. he basically has no team and has to build one, not an easy task, to which he's already admitted to as well.
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4/22/2015  7:17 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:h
knicks1248 wrote:
The only positives about this season is learning from your failing mistakes, and going about it entirely different. you have to do everything the opposite of what you did to lose 67 games.

You seem to think of building a roster and results on the floor as a year to year thing in a vaccuum.

The Knicks team this year was a result of previous years trying to stay afloat with older players and highly paid veterans......plus.......a failed attempt to revamp that previous roster by trading Chandler and signing a guy like Jason Smith. The issue with the previous roster is that it did not offer any flexibility based on no cap space and the Knicks being over the apron. The previous roster also had players on the last year of contracts or otherwise who were not going to be resigned and not part of the Knicks future due to age, injuries or ineffectiveness (Amare, Chandler, Shumpert, Prigs (buyout option), Felton, Kenyon Martin, Udrih, MWP, Jeremy Tyler, Toure Murry).

By eventually deciding to strip the roster down, the Knicks are essentially doing the opposite of what they had been doing for many years....not just what they did this year. In your recent posting history, you seem to place all the blame on Phil for this season, I place all the blame on the motus operandi of the team over the past 15 years.

Some of you guys defends phils moves as if he did everything the right away and ONLY way, and phil himself has admitted to failing. he went from Plan A to plan D real quick.

But thats in the past, i'm done with that, I'm focus on the future. Phil is not going to be around long, and at the very least he should have a very solid core in place.


I believe you are getting this wrong. Not sure who is defending everything Phil has done, he has made some mistakes for sure, and admitted it and changed course/tactics when he recognized things were not going to work out as initially planned. This issue is that based on your posting history, you seem to want to assign ALL the blame to Phil and make him out to be inept due to this season's tank job. Ignoring the fact that he chose to tank relatively early into the season as based on circumstances at hand, it would be better for the Knicks longer term prospects. You also seem not to want to acknowledge how much the previous regime doomed the Knicks future prospects and limited their ability to make solid roster moves coming in to this year based on Age Outs, Expirings & Cap/Apron issues.

I stated this earlier in the thread. But if the Knicks draft a cornerstone and build a younger core with locked in contracts, play some exciting basketball but still only win 35 games next year - I consider that a success towards building for the future - which is what it should be about at this point.

We May Fantasize Over Picks... Still, Uncle Phil Knows His Knicks (for now) Have A Long Way To Go

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