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VCoug
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4/22/2015  3:28 PM
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
nixluva wrote:

This is a very important statement. For those who wonder about his focus for the team, this goes along with his other statements that he wants to improve this team's defense. We know we need to score but playing better D will go along with any added scoring.

I think this is also why we may see THJ traded. He's simply a player that doesn't give you enough at the other parts of the game. If THJ isn't scoring at a high clip he's useless. He may still have some value in the eyes of another team.

I also liked Phil's statements on being smart in Free Agency. Not gonna go bargain basement but doesn't sound like he's gonna blow his whole stash on one expensive guy.


You sound more positive than phil. that comment about over paying is something he clearly is going to have to do. He has no leverage, he's not coaching, and he has a suspect coach.

He tried to sell the same thing about getting Melo to opt in last yr, or taking a home town discount. By the 3rd day of Free agency he was flying to LA with a max contract.


You ever meet a person who wants to help so bad but when he does he just fcks everything up. Phil has good intentions and I don't believe he's here just for the money, but the reality is, he dug this hole so deep, he's starting to resemble defeat.


It's easy to paint this kind of narrative at this juncture and some in the Media are certainly on board with this. However, there is so much opportunity out in front of Phil not only this summer but going forward.

This is a very clear path to improve the franchise and set up a positive direction. How are we in a bad spot when we have a great opportunity to bring in some better talent not only in the draft but in Free Agency?

And there's an advantage to having cash to spend this summer. Next summer, the new national television money kicks in, raising the salary cap (and providing newfound spending ability to all teams). Free agents have a vested interest in signing short-term deals this summer to build their value ahead of next year's cash grab, limiting the advantage their incumbent team typically has in being able to offer the most money and extra season in any deal, the result of controlling their player's Bird Rights.

Jackson acknowledged that the new marketplace creates both uncertainty and opportunity. And he maintained that the system he has the Knicks running should be a selling point to potential free agents, noting that many players this season expanded their repertoires, such as center Jason Smith extending his range and shooting three pointers, or burly forward Quincy Acy learning to handle the basketball.

"Guys can come here and understand they can play in a game that enhances their skills," Jackson said. "That part of it is one of the selling points of what we do. There are very few teams that are like that, because there are so many generic ways of playing this game. We have a unique style, and that attracts certain people."

And so the work begins—to add youth who can blend with experience, players who complement rather than overlap with what Carmelo Anthony does best, convincing free agents to buy into what the Knicks are about to do while ignoring the 17-65 mark from the just-concluded season. Expecting a championship "would be like talking crazy", Jackson said. But real, substantial progress, and a winning team, Jackson believes is within reach.

"[Knicks Director of Scouting John] Gabriel put on my desk," Jackson said. "A book documenting the ascension of teams—the Spurs to the 76ers, who have changed their luck in a matter of three years. Going from the bottom... but teams change rapidly in the NBA. And depending on the personnel and how things develop for them. Injuries play a part, certainly. But we are a league that's dominated by personalities, by talent. And with five players, getting two or three players of talent changes your direction quickly. And we've all seen that."


There's like a lot of teams with major $$$ and better current talent.

look for your self

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2016/


I'm well aware of the teams with cap space. I've posted lists of the top teams myself this year. The thing is that not all teams will be buyers in this market and some teams will be focused on trying to retain their own star players this summer.

The idea of a team having better current talent isn't really the issue. There's more to the equation than just that factor. Not to mention that there are a LOT of players in this FA Market. We already know that Agents are already talking to their clients about the new TV Contract money and how the league will be transformed by all the massive increase in Cap space.

You may not view NY as a good destination but I can assure you that Agents and Players don't agree with you. Agents will see NY as a great spot to send their clients in a revamped roster and with the ability for this team to continue to add talent in the future. You can get your money in Indiana or Orlando or you can get it in NY and a lot of players would prefer NY. It will only take one Free Agent to come on board to get the ball rolling.

For the most part, agents will see players' current teams as their best destination since their current teams can offer a higher starting salary, larger yearly raises, and more years.

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4/22/2015  4:41 PM
VCoug wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
nixluva wrote:

This is a very important statement. For those who wonder about his focus for the team, this goes along with his other statements that he wants to improve this team's defense. We know we need to score but playing better D will go along with any added scoring.

I think this is also why we may see THJ traded. He's simply a player that doesn't give you enough at the other parts of the game. If THJ isn't scoring at a high clip he's useless. He may still have some value in the eyes of another team.

I also liked Phil's statements on being smart in Free Agency. Not gonna go bargain basement but doesn't sound like he's gonna blow his whole stash on one expensive guy.


You sound more positive than phil. that comment about over paying is something he clearly is going to have to do. He has no leverage, he's not coaching, and he has a suspect coach.

He tried to sell the same thing about getting Melo to opt in last yr, or taking a home town discount. By the 3rd day of Free agency he was flying to LA with a max contract.


You ever meet a person who wants to help so bad but when he does he just fcks everything up. Phil has good intentions and I don't believe he's here just for the money, but the reality is, he dug this hole so deep, he's starting to resemble defeat.


It's easy to paint this kind of narrative at this juncture and some in the Media are certainly on board with this. However, there is so much opportunity out in front of Phil not only this summer but going forward.

This is a very clear path to improve the franchise and set up a positive direction. How are we in a bad spot when we have a great opportunity to bring in some better talent not only in the draft but in Free Agency?

And there's an advantage to having cash to spend this summer. Next summer, the new national television money kicks in, raising the salary cap (and providing newfound spending ability to all teams). Free agents have a vested interest in signing short-term deals this summer to build their value ahead of next year's cash grab, limiting the advantage their incumbent team typically has in being able to offer the most money and extra season in any deal, the result of controlling their player's Bird Rights.

Jackson acknowledged that the new marketplace creates both uncertainty and opportunity. And he maintained that the system he has the Knicks running should be a selling point to potential free agents, noting that many players this season expanded their repertoires, such as center Jason Smith extending his range and shooting three pointers, or burly forward Quincy Acy learning to handle the basketball.

"Guys can come here and understand they can play in a game that enhances their skills," Jackson said. "That part of it is one of the selling points of what we do. There are very few teams that are like that, because there are so many generic ways of playing this game. We have a unique style, and that attracts certain people."

And so the work begins—to add youth who can blend with experience, players who complement rather than overlap with what Carmelo Anthony does best, convincing free agents to buy into what the Knicks are about to do while ignoring the 17-65 mark from the just-concluded season. Expecting a championship "would be like talking crazy", Jackson said. But real, substantial progress, and a winning team, Jackson believes is within reach.

"[Knicks Director of Scouting John] Gabriel put on my desk," Jackson said. "A book documenting the ascension of teams—the Spurs to the 76ers, who have changed their luck in a matter of three years. Going from the bottom... but teams change rapidly in the NBA. And depending on the personnel and how things develop for them. Injuries play a part, certainly. But we are a league that's dominated by personalities, by talent. And with five players, getting two or three players of talent changes your direction quickly. And we've all seen that."


There's like a lot of teams with major $$$ and better current talent.

look for your self

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2016/


I'm well aware of the teams with cap space. I've posted lists of the top teams myself this year. The thing is that not all teams will be buyers in this market and some teams will be focused on trying to retain their own star players this summer.

The idea of a team having better current talent isn't really the issue. There's more to the equation than just that factor. Not to mention that there are a LOT of players in this FA Market. We already know that Agents are already talking to their clients about the new TV Contract money and how the league will be transformed by all the massive increase in Cap space.

You may not view NY as a good destination but I can assure you that Agents and Players don't agree with you. Agents will see NY as a great spot to send their clients in a revamped roster and with the ability for this team to continue to add talent in the future. You can get your money in Indiana or Orlando or you can get it in NY and a lot of players would prefer NY. It will only take one Free Agent to come on board to get the ball rolling.

For the most part, agents will see players' current teams as their best destination since their current teams can offer a higher starting salary, larger yearly raises, and more years.

Generally yes, but this is a much different NBA now with the knowledge that the cap is due to increase by leaps and bounds. It's changing the way players are thinking about their careers. They don't have to stay with their current team in order to make a huge windfall of money. Players can choose to move and sign a contract with an opt out so they have the choice to resign for a much bigger contract in a city they may prefer.

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4/22/2015  5:03 PM
nixluva wrote:
VCoug wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
nixluva wrote:

This is a very important statement. For those who wonder about his focus for the team, this goes along with his other statements that he wants to improve this team's defense. We know we need to score but playing better D will go along with any added scoring.

I think this is also why we may see THJ traded. He's simply a player that doesn't give you enough at the other parts of the game. If THJ isn't scoring at a high clip he's useless. He may still have some value in the eyes of another team.

I also liked Phil's statements on being smart in Free Agency. Not gonna go bargain basement but doesn't sound like he's gonna blow his whole stash on one expensive guy.


You sound more positive than phil. that comment about over paying is something he clearly is going to have to do. He has no leverage, he's not coaching, and he has a suspect coach.

He tried to sell the same thing about getting Melo to opt in last yr, or taking a home town discount. By the 3rd day of Free agency he was flying to LA with a max contract.


You ever meet a person who wants to help so bad but when he does he just fcks everything up. Phil has good intentions and I don't believe he's here just for the money, but the reality is, he dug this hole so deep, he's starting to resemble defeat.


It's easy to paint this kind of narrative at this juncture and some in the Media are certainly on board with this. However, there is so much opportunity out in front of Phil not only this summer but going forward.

This is a very clear path to improve the franchise and set up a positive direction. How are we in a bad spot when we have a great opportunity to bring in some better talent not only in the draft but in Free Agency?

And there's an advantage to having cash to spend this summer. Next summer, the new national television money kicks in, raising the salary cap (and providing newfound spending ability to all teams). Free agents have a vested interest in signing short-term deals this summer to build their value ahead of next year's cash grab, limiting the advantage their incumbent team typically has in being able to offer the most money and extra season in any deal, the result of controlling their player's Bird Rights.

Jackson acknowledged that the new marketplace creates both uncertainty and opportunity. And he maintained that the system he has the Knicks running should be a selling point to potential free agents, noting that many players this season expanded their repertoires, such as center Jason Smith extending his range and shooting three pointers, or burly forward Quincy Acy learning to handle the basketball.

"Guys can come here and understand they can play in a game that enhances their skills," Jackson said. "That part of it is one of the selling points of what we do. There are very few teams that are like that, because there are so many generic ways of playing this game. We have a unique style, and that attracts certain people."

And so the work begins—to add youth who can blend with experience, players who complement rather than overlap with what Carmelo Anthony does best, convincing free agents to buy into what the Knicks are about to do while ignoring the 17-65 mark from the just-concluded season. Expecting a championship "would be like talking crazy", Jackson said. But real, substantial progress, and a winning team, Jackson believes is within reach.

"[Knicks Director of Scouting John] Gabriel put on my desk," Jackson said. "A book documenting the ascension of teams—the Spurs to the 76ers, who have changed their luck in a matter of three years. Going from the bottom... but teams change rapidly in the NBA. And depending on the personnel and how things develop for them. Injuries play a part, certainly. But we are a league that's dominated by personalities, by talent. And with five players, getting two or three players of talent changes your direction quickly. And we've all seen that."


There's like a lot of teams with major $$$ and better current talent.

look for your self

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2016/


I'm well aware of the teams with cap space. I've posted lists of the top teams myself this year. The thing is that not all teams will be buyers in this market and some teams will be focused on trying to retain their own star players this summer.

The idea of a team having better current talent isn't really the issue. There's more to the equation than just that factor. Not to mention that there are a LOT of players in this FA Market. We already know that Agents are already talking to their clients about the new TV Contract money and how the league will be transformed by all the massive increase in Cap space.

You may not view NY as a good destination but I can assure you that Agents and Players don't agree with you. Agents will see NY as a great spot to send their clients in a revamped roster and with the ability for this team to continue to add talent in the future. You can get your money in Indiana or Orlando or you can get it in NY and a lot of players would prefer NY. It will only take one Free Agent to come on board to get the ball rolling.

For the most part, agents will see players' current teams as their best destination since their current teams can offer a higher starting salary, larger yearly raises, and more years.

Generally yes, but this is a much different NBA now with the knowledge that the cap is due to increase by leaps and bounds. It's changing the way players are thinking about their careers. They don't have to stay with their current team in order to make a huge windfall of money. Players can choose to move and sign a contract with an opt out so they have the choice to resign for a much bigger contract in a city they may prefer.

But not everybody is built for NY, when you start focusing on just talent, you will get the Marburys, tim thomas, jamal crawfords, kvh, it's got be a specific skill set, which narrows down your options (as a gm/pres) considerably.

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4/22/2015  5:10 PM
Agents dont look at location, all they want is their cut of the contract. Players might choose location, but most choose dollars firstly or winning which the Knicks arent anywhere close to. I dont see how to cap spike increases the Knicks chances of anything compared to other teams with better rosters in place already, but maybe it happens.
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4/22/2015  7:58 PM
knickscity wrote:Agents dont look at location, all they want is their cut of the contract. Players might choose location, but most choose dollars firstly or winning which the Knicks arent anywhere close to. I dont see how to cap spike increases the Knicks chances of anything compared to other teams with better rosters in place already, but maybe it happens.

This is still a market that is attractive to players and agents looking for outside of basketball revenue. There are opportunities in this media market that can be attractive to a player and his spouse if she has interests in Art, Fashion, Movies and TV etc. This idea that NY doesn't offer any other fringe benefits isn't true. Being here full time just makes it easier to get involved in all of those other areas.

Some players actually want that style of life. All Agents would like the spotlight of their client being a star in LA or NY. Even when Marbury was in NY despite not winning he still had so many sales of his Jersey and other products. It's just a nice plus.

knicks1248 wrote: But not everybody is built for NY, when you start focusing on just talent, you will get the Marburys, tim thomas, jamal crawfords, kvh, it's got be a specific skill set, which narrows down your options (as a gm/pres) considerably.

I actually think Phil is doing a good job of finding players who can take being in NY. As for the FA Market lets remember that there are about 180 or so players and that's a lot of players looking to improve their situation. You always read about certain players loving to play in the Garden. They see how even in our worst season the Garden is packed and jumping. They may be in a situation that is not as attractive despite probably having a better record than NY. We only need to pick off 2-3 of these guys in order to have a successful summer!


Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
1 DeA. Jordan C 26 LAC 82 2820 21.0 .638 .007 .882 16.2 32.4 24.5 3.2 1.5 5.4 12.8 13.6 7.4 5.4 12.8 .217 4.3
2 Jimmy Butler SG 25 CHI 65 2513 21.3 .583 .212 .508 5.1 11.2 8.2 14.4 2.3 1.0 7.7 21.6 8.2 3.0 11.2 .214 4.2
3 Kawhi Leonard SF 23 SAS 64 2033 22.0 .567 .234 .307 4.8 20.6 12.9 13.0 3.7 1.8 9.4 23.0 4.2 4.4 8.6 .204 4.1
4 Bran. Wright PF 27 TOT 75 1449 20.4 .660 .008 .309 9.6 14.7 12.1 4.4 1.7 5.1 7.6 13.6 4.3 1.8 6.1 .202 2.0
5 M. Gasol C 30 MEM 81 2687 21.7 .558 .016 .410 4.9 21.8 13.4 19.7 1.4 4.0 12.2 24.6 5.5 4.7 10.2 .182 4.6
6 M. Muscala PF 23 ATL 40 502 18.0 .608 .146 .166 12.2 14.8 13.5 8.0 1.6 3.2 11.5 16.7 1.2 0.7 1.9 .179 0.5
7 P. Millsap PF 29 ATL 73 2390 20.1 .565 .232 .362 6.9 20.0 13.6 15.4 2.8 2.4 13.3 23.8 4.0 4.3 8.3 .167 3.7
8 A. Baynes C 28 SAS 70 1122 15.9 .618 .012 .318 11.2 20.7 16.1 4.9 0.7 1.5 14.8 17.8 2.3 1.6 3.9 .166 0.3
9 L. Aldridge PF 29 POR 71 2512 22.8 .528 .074 .256 7.7 22.9 15.5 9.2 1.0 1.9 7.2 30.2 4.9 3.7 8.6 .165 1.4
10 K. Love PF 26 CLE 75 2532 18.8 .562 .412 .337 6.5 26.3 16.6 10.7 1.0 1.2 10.0 21.7 5.8 2.9 8.7 .165 2.5

Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
11 Danny Green SG 27 SAS 81 2312 16.5 .596 .619 .172 2.7 13.9 8.4 10.3 2.2 2.8 10.5 17.5 4.0 3.9 7.8 .163 4.1
12 Dray. Green SF 24 GSW 79 2490 16.4 .540 .430 .261 5.1 22.4 14.0 16.1 2.4 2.9 13.5 17.2 3.3 5.2 8.5 .163 4.4
13 A. Ajinca C 26 NOP 68 957 19.9 .595 .000 .301 12.4 25.0 18.7 8.2 1.2 4.0 15.6 21.1 1.9 1.2 3.2 .159 0.5
14 Brook Lopez C 26 BRK 72 2100 22.7 .558 .010 .278 11.5 17.1 14.3 4.5 1.1 4.8 8.6 26.3 4.7 2.2 7.0 .159 1.1
15 B. Biyombo C 22 CHO 64 1243 15.2 .578 .000 .941 13.7 22.6 18.0 2.0 0.7 6.3 16.5 11.6 1.8 2.2 4.0 .155 0.5
16 D. Carroll SF 28 ATL 70 2189 15.9 .603 .466 .277 5.3 13.8 9.7 8.3 2.2 0.7 9.3 16.9 4.3 2.8 7.0 .154 2.7
17 G. Monroe PF 24 DET 69 2137 21.2 .549 .000 .394 11.2 25.1 17.9 11.7 1.9 1.3 13.0 23.9 4.0 2.8 6.8 .153 2.1
18 A. Morrow SG 29 OKC 74 1806 14.8 .604 .528 .145 2.4 9.1 5.8 5.2 1.5 0.5 5.5 16.5 4.4 1.2 5.7 .151 1.2
19 R. Lopez C 26 POR 59 1638 16.2 .574 .002 .291 12.7 13.1 12.9 5.1 0.5 3.7 12.9 15.5 3.2 1.9 5.1 .150 1.7
20 C. Joseph PG 23 SAS 79 1444 15.5 .564 .107 .348 3.5 11.4 7.5 19.7 1.6 0.9 12.4 17.0 2.7 1.8 4.5 .149 1.0

Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
21 Tri Thompson PF 23 CLE 82 2194 15.6 .580 .000 .508 14.5 19.7 17.2 2.7 0.8 2.2 12.2 14.0 4.7 2.1 6.8 .148 0.8
22 W. Matthews SG 28 POR 60 2024 16.1 .586 .592 .193 2.1 9.5 5.9 10.8 1.9 0.4 9.0 19.8 4.0 2.2 6.2 .147 3.0
23 Enes Kanter C 22 TOT 75 2135 20.3 .564 .048 .252 14.6 20.5 17.6 4.8 0.9 1.1 12.3 24.7 4.3 2.1 6.4 .145 -0.1
24 Jon. Jerebko PF 27 TOT 75 1230 15.0 .549 .369 .174 8.0 17.2 12.5 9.0 1.9 1.1 9.7 16.2 2.0 1.4 3.5 .135 0.9
25 K. Middleton PF 23 MIL 79 2378 15.6 .563 .308 .180 2.3 14.3 8.4 12.7 2.6 0.4 10.8 19.9 3.2 3.5 6.7 .135 2.0
26 Alexey Shved SG 26 TOT 42 767 19.5 .541 .415 .448 3.3 11.7 7.3 25.7 2.0 0.6 10.7 26.3 1.7 0.5 2.2 .135 0.5
27 Brandon Bass PF 29 BOS 82 1929 16.3 .557 .047 .313 7.8 14.9 11.3 8.6 1.1 1.3 9.6 19.5 3.4 1.9 5.3 .132 0.7
28 Dorell Wright SF 29 POR 48 592 13.4 .525 .568 .221 2.6 17.2 10.0 10.2 1.7 1.3 7.9 17.1 0.7 0.8 1.6 .128 0.4
29 Lavoy Allen PF 25 IND 63 1070 14.9 .493 .000 .157 12.8 20.5 16.7 10.9 0.7 3.1 11.1 15.2 1.3 1.6 2.8 .127 0.8
30 Amir Johnson PF 27 TOR 75 1979 15.4 .603 .089 .249 9.3 17.3 13.3 9.4 1.1 2.4 16.0 15.7 3.5 1.6 5.1 .124 1.9

Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
31 Goran Dragic PG 28 TOT 78 2640 17.4 .577 .258 .234 3.5 8.2 5.9 22.8 1.5 0.5 13.5 21.8 5.4 1.4 6.8 .123 2.1
32 Joel Freeland C 27 POR 48 617 12.2 .522 .000 .166 11.0 21.9 16.6 3.8 0.7 2.7 12.4 13.4 0.6 0.9 1.6 .122 0.0
33 Tha Sefolosha SF 30 ATL 52 976 13.8 .506 .313 .233 6.4 19.3 13.1 11.2 2.8 1.8 12.2 14.6 0.8 1.7 2.5 .121 0.8
34 Omer Asik C 28 NOP 76 1982 15.5 .545 .000 .546 14.0 28.8 21.4 5.4 0.8 2.1 15.7 14.0 2.8 2.2 5.0 .120 0.6
35 Kosta Koufos C 25 MEM 81 1348 14.2 .530 .000 .237 10.3 25.8 18.1 4.3 1.1 3.9 14.9 15.8 0.8 2.5 3.3 .118 0.2
36 Jae Crowder SF 24 TOT 82 1647 13.9 .517 .382 .259 4.7 14.9 9.7 8.6 2.2 1.2 7.5 17.5 1.9 2.0 3.9 .113 1.1
37 Cole Aldrich C 26 NYK 61 976 18.1 .513 .000 .213 11.6 28.9 20.0 13.3 2.0 5.5 15.2 18.3 0.8 1.4 2.2 .107 0.7
38 Bran Knight PG 23 TOT 63 2035 17.1 .543 .361 .251 1.6 12.0 6.8 27.4 2.3 0.4 16.1 25.9 2.0 2.5 4.5 .106 1.6
39 Reg Jackson PG 24 TOT 77 2268 17.2 .511 .242 .219 2.6 12.9 7.8 34.8 1.4 0.3 14.6 24.6 3.3 1.7 4.9 .104 1.6
40 Mar Belinelli SG 28 SAS 62 1388 12.4 .553 .489 .211 2.2 10.5 6.4 10.3 1.1 0.2 10.6 18.8 1.5 1.4 2.9 .100 0.5
41 Tobias Harris SF 22 ORL 68 2369 16.7 .551 .252 .258 3.4 17.3 10.3 8.8 1.5 1.2 9.8 22.5 3.0 1.8 4.8 .098 1.0

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4/22/2015  9:20 PM
are we still interested in Tobias Harris with his .098 WS48?
so here is what phil is thinking ....
Another Phil "state of the union address" speech

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