shinmen wrote:

fishmike wrote:pick 3... (and I would have no problem is this was pick 1 or 2)

Just stop trying to figure it out... the answer is Russell:

If we are really running the triangle this is the future superstar. A 6'5 SG with a 6'8 wingspan who can play both guard spots. He does it all, and he's the most skilled guard in the draft. Athletically he's right there with Curry and Harden as that skill set. THATS the next generation of NBA player.

This is a guy who plays the right way. If you wonder why/how a SG led his team in rebounding you can get a clue at the 2:00 mark of this video.

My draft oder is still OK4/Russell/Towns 1-3

If we pick 4 then its a crap shoot, but Im leaning towards Winslow which I would be very happy with also.

Am I saying he's the best player in the draft? Saying so means nothing... but Russell is my favorite player in the draft. And this kid just turned 19.

I still think we would benefit more from a big but he seems custom made for our offense. I wouldn't mind him instead of Okafor.

I like Russell but between Mudiay and Russell I would take Mudiay. Some here say he can't shoot but he shot 36% from Three. Which I feel is right up there with Russell's 41%. Before you guys get you panties in a bunch here me out. In College the three point line is 20.75 feet away in China it is 22.15 feet away. I think the free throw line is a little further too it is 15.6 feet away and in college and I believe NBA is 15 feet.

If the Knicks land4- 5 and he is available I definitely would consider Russell. But Okafor, Towns and Mudiay would have to be off the board.

Vmart wrote:

shinmen wrote:

fishmike wrote:pick 3... (and I would have no problem is this was pick 1 or 2)

Just stop trying to figure it out... the answer is Russell:

If we are really running the triangle this is the future superstar. A 6'5 SG with a 6'8 wingspan who can play both guard spots. He does it all, and he's the most skilled guard in the draft. Athletically he's right there with Curry and Harden as that skill set. THATS the next generation of NBA player.

This is a guy who plays the right way. If you wonder why/how a SG led his team in rebounding you can get a clue at the 2:00 mark of this video.

My draft oder is still OK4/Russell/Towns 1-3

If we pick 4 then its a crap shoot, but Im leaning towards Winslow which I would be very happy with also.

Am I saying he's the best player in the draft? Saying so means nothing... but Russell is my favorite player in the draft. And this kid just turned 19.

I still think we would benefit more from a big but he seems custom made for our offense. I wouldn't mind him instead of Okafor.

I like Russell but between Mudiay and Russell I would take Mudiay. Some here say he can't shoot but he shot 36% from Three. Which I feel is right up there with Russell's 41%. Before you guys get you panties in a bunch here me out. In College the three point line is 20.75 feet away in China it is 22.15 feet away. I think the free throw line is a little further too it is 15.6 feet away and in college and I believe NBA is 15 feet.

If the Knicks land4- 5 and he is available I definitely would consider Russell. But Okafor, Towns and Mudiay would have to be off the board.

But my point on Russell is simply the draft position doesn't mean anything this year. This isn't a Tim Duncan and the rest draft. All 4-5 guys at the top have HOF ceilings but for different reasons. I can easily see this being a Durant/Oden type draft, where by missing on a concensus pick because your #3 you just take the BPA (Russell IMO) and end up with the best player in the draft. No doubt GS did similar with Curry.

Im biased. I think this is the true superstar this city needs. A Jeter for the Knicks. Sure like in 96 DA will play 2nd fiddle to Melo, to Monroe, to some 30ish Euro guys who have been playing pro ball since they were 15... but DA will *be in* the middle of evertything, making plays, hitting those buckets that keep you close... and poof, in a couple of years we will be looking at the next face of the NBA. Not to mention he's even a good looking kid.

What he did for that Ohio team is the ultimate leadership and elevating your teammates. He was the best player on the court all the time but ALWAYYS played team ball and averaged 5+ assists playing mostly off guard and led his team in rebounding. I know he's not a big, but this is the guy I hope falls in our lap. Would be more than happy with OK4/Towns and I understand why you take those guys first, I just feel this is the guy.

Its understood that our final draft position and who other teams may or may not chose ahead of us will influence our choice, but I find myself a bit confused as to who I would want if we are in the 3/4/5 position.

I probably wouldn't trade the pick.

I'm one who thinks Phil wants someone who can give you 15-20 minutes starting from game 1, and I think he wants the guys with a high BB IQ

I don't think I would take one of the Euros- too much time to develop at this point.

Winslow and Kaminsky are two guys I can easily live with at 4,5, and maybe even three if they blow the Knicks away in workouts. One thing about these two- sometimes great team workouts are deceptive, and you marginalize their track records as actual college players. Winslow, and, especially, Kaminsky (4yr player), proved themselves on the court, and if they show you things in workouts that you haven't seen them do in games, that is even more significant IMO. They also played in disciplined offenses that may have tethered some of the other things they can do on the court.

Mudiay really has to show he is special in workouts before I would consider him, and I think Russell, as talked about as he was during the year, needs to reestablish himself in some ways, because he fizzled a bit at the end of the year.

We should end of with a pretty good young player no matter where we pick and who we take. Hope we can also squeeze in a late round 1st and a 2nd rounder, but that might be wishful thinking on my part.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

shinmen wrote:

fishmike wrote:pick 3... (and I would have no problem is this was pick 1 or 2)

Just stop trying to figure it out... the answer is Russell:

If we are really running the triangle this is the future superstar. A 6'5 SG with a 6'8 wingspan who can play both guard spots. He does it all, and he's the most skilled guard in the draft. Athletically he's right there with Curry and Harden as that skill set. THATS the next generation of NBA player.

This is a guy who plays the right way. If you wonder why/how a SG led his team in rebounding you can get a clue at the 2:00 mark of this video.

My draft oder is still OK4/Russell/Towns 1-3

If we pick 4 then its a crap shoot, but Im leaning towards Winslow which I would be very happy with also.

Am I saying he's the best player in the draft? Saying so means nothing... but Russell is my favorite player in the draft. And this kid just turned 19.

I still think we would benefit more from a big but he seems custom made for our offense. I wouldn't mind him instead of Okafor.

I like Russell but between Mudiay and Russell I would take Mudiay. Some here say he can't shoot but he shot 36% from Three. Which I feel is right up there with Russell's 41%. Before you guys get you panties in a bunch here me out. In College the three point line is 20.75 feet away in China it is 22.15 feet away. I think the free throw line is a little further too it is 15.6 feet away and in college and I believe NBA is 15 feet.

If the Knicks land4- 5 and he is available I definitely would consider Russell. But Okafor, Towns and Mudiay would have to be off the board.

to be honest i heard a lot of good things about mudiay in fact some scouts say he could turn out to be the best player. He put up good stats before getting hurt this year. I just like russell a little better mostly because ive been able to see him more than mudiay

I think that is where scouting and combines will come into play. Russell Westbrook rose up after combines all the way to 4. Let's see how this plays out. Still no clue yet as to where the Knicks pick and workouts combines could be determining factor.

Hector wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im dead set on taking Towns #1 and Okafor #2 no exceptions no trades.

But at #3 #4 would you do the following

Pick #3 to Atlanta for D Scroheder pick 43 from last year Walter Taveras and pick 15.

To me this seems like throwing some bull**** idea out there & if in 3, 4 years it pans out, we'll hear from you.
if it doesn't, you'll never mention it again.

You do too many of these scenarios to bee taken too seriously.

You come up with the craziest **** & so much of it, but one day you'll be right just based on volume.

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Hector wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im dead set on taking Towns #1 and Okafor #2 no exceptions no trades.

But at #3 #4 would you do the following

Pick #3 to Atlanta for D Scroheder pick 43 from last year Walter Taveras and pick 15.

To me this seems like throwing some bull**** idea out there & if in 3, 4 years it pans out, we'll hear from you.
if it doesn't, you'll never mention it again.

You do too many of these scenarios to bee taken too seriously.

You come up with the craziest **** & so much of it, but one day you'll be right just based on volume.

Im advocating potentially trading the pick in a deal similar to this IF we dont get 1 or 2. Ive looked this thing up and down. I LOVE the draft best DRAFT in a long time the assets keep pouring in. I think after 2 you really look at whats out there to trade down. IF NOT you make a pick but I have a lot of idea to move us down and I think make out better.

Like trading a 1st round pick for two second round picks?? That was another crazy idea of yours.

Pick 32 and 35 is worth a top 17 restricted pick in this draft. That's my take. Also I have a baic formula rebuild the front court this year and build team depth so we're not reliant on one or two players. It's impossible to say I want this individual player. The team would not be doing proper due diligence without putting 40-50 scenarios down on paper and then putting together multiple plans to execute.

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Hector wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im dead set on taking Towns #1 and Okafor #2 no exceptions no trades.

But at #3 #4 would you do the following

Pick #3 to Atlanta for D Scroheder pick 43 from last year Walter Taveras and pick 15.

To me this seems like throwing some bull**** idea out there & if in 3, 4 years it pans out, we'll hear from you.
if it doesn't, you'll never mention it again.

You do too many of these scenarios to bee taken too seriously.

You come up with the craziest **** & so much of it, but one day you'll be right just based on volume.

Im advocating potentially trading the pick in a deal similar to this IF we dont get 1 or 2. Ive looked this thing up and down. I LOVE the draft best DRAFT in a long time the assets keep pouring in. I think after 2 you really look at whats out there to trade down. IF NOT you make a pick but I have a lot of idea to move us down and I think make out better.

Like trading a 1st round pick for two second round picks?? That was another crazy idea of yours.

Pick 32 and 35 is worth a top 17 restricted pick in this draft. That's my take. Also I have a baic formula rebuild the front court this year and build team depth so we're not reliant on one or two players. It's impossible to say I want this individual player. The team would not be doing proper due diligence without putting 40-50 scenarios down on paper and then putting together multiple plans to execute.

Well of course every team goes over every single scenario that could happen in the draft and free agency just like they do in every professional sport. Players are projected to go in the 2nd round for a reason and the percentage of players drafted in the 2nd round of actually making it in the NBA is not very good so i wouldn't trade a 1st round pick for two 2nd round picks and i don't think many teams would. We need to keep our 1st round picks since we haven't in so long and you can see now how that's hurt the Knicks.

I don't think philly would do it. It would take the Knicks being good past slot 18 and that might not happen for multi years. In general I agree with you. In this case I'd trade the future 1 with high restriction because 1st round players will be going in rd 2 this year. I'm all in on this year to expedite rebuilding.

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:Look at the NBA.. its not the run and jump league it was... its skill and spacing. Unathletic Gasol winning DPOY, A 6'4 SG who plays PG and was regarded as a liability on defense always might be the best player in the NBA... ultimately you need balance. Those run and jump (Thanisis) guys can sure look great next to skilled facilitators, but I think it starts with this high skills guys. Those are the guys running the league, those are the guys who are the motors for the elite teams...
That's my logic behind my draft order which is OK4, Russell 1/2 and Towns heads and above the best of the rest. Ive been watching a lot of Winslow tape also and he's my #4 right now. I wouldn't trade out of whatever spot Im in.

I hear you fihmike. Id like to look around a bit with a pick lower than 2 but the option to choose a player is always there. Im not trading pick 1 or 2--I think its to hard to find one of those guys. I want the Knicks to take really strong looks at Mudiay Porzingis Hezonja Winslow and Russell. Id also like to see if they can talk to Atlanta about Taveras and what type of cost they might be looking at.