StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:On this forum there is a high level of knee jerk reaction to any quote and utterance made and often taken out of context. Seems to me that when you take the totality of the comments from Phil, Mills, Fish and Melo it's clear that most of the panic is wrong and not very helpful. We really don't need to have all of the ultra negative and panic strewn comments that the Media is all too happy to foment with leading articles and quotes taken out of context.

People are going to have different views and different opinions on what they see and hear about the Knicks from the press.

Your problem. ( It's YOURS, not anyone elses) Again, your problem is that you simply dismiss anyone with a different opinion as yours as either being

1) Ignorant
and/or
2) A total jack off

You're a condescending passive aggressive terrorist troll with an agenda. You intentionally needle people and then try to run and hide behind some thin veil you call "optimism"

I would just write off what you do to a simple but tragic case of too much ignorance mixed with an unhealthy dose of arrogance, but it's clear you are being willfully obtuse on purpose.

Notice, you never disagree with people, you simply dismiss them. You know what specific group excels at that kind of behavior?

Women.

I think where Splat failed is he gave you too much credit or simply took it for granted that he was dealing with a man or someone with a male mentality at it's core.

I've actually never seen you acknowledge on person, any person, who has had a different basketball opinion from yours. That's why your agenda is actually pretty transparent.

You don't actually respect other people's opinions but instantly run to claim the victim of some kind of fabricated intolerance to your own version of enlightenment. Again, that kind of wacky juju only starts to find clarity when one imagines your behavior like a womans and not a mans.

People are going to feel how they want to feel about the Knicks. Crazy as it sounds, it's actually ok to have a different opinion than yours. If someone disagrees with you, you write them off as "negative" or some other flaw in their character instead of just accepting sometimes people can actually agree to disagree.

Here's the difference between Splat and I.

Splat was just waiting for you to change your tampon.

I'm just waiting for you to stop menstruating.

Now you know what "direct" looks like. Here endeth the lesson.

agreed. Its good to have different opinions and its realistic. We all love the knicks and despite understandable frustration want things to turn around this summer

Im sorry, what? You agree with that? Did you actually read the post or do you just have a low opinion of women as well?

do you follow my every move on here lol. First off what the hell are you talking about women. I wasnt talking about women. My point was that different opinions isnt a bad thing whether its crítical or optimistic in regards to the KNICKS

If you actually read Triple's post you would know that it was quite demeaning to woman. Perhaps you don't have a problem with this or more likely as seems to be an issue here is that you did not carefully read the person you were agreeing with.

Nix started a thread to basically point out that posters here are running with media snippits and predicting doomsday scenarios for the knicks. Somehow DK turned it into a Melo Bash and TTT has put us on amber terror alert by equating Nix to a terrorist In addition to naming woman as a subclass of human beings. The issue is not clarity, but rather the continual agendas certain posters need to push in every thread.

foosballnick wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:On this forum there is a high level of knee jerk reaction to any quote and utterance made and often taken out of context. Seems to me that when you take the totality of the comments from Phil, Mills, Fish and Melo it's clear that most of the panic is wrong and not very helpful. We really don't need to have all of the ultra negative and panic strewn comments that the Media is all too happy to foment with leading articles and quotes taken out of context.

People are going to have different views and different opinions on what they see and hear about the Knicks from the press.

Your problem. ( It's YOURS, not anyone elses) Again, your problem is that you simply dismiss anyone with a different opinion as yours as either being

1) Ignorant
and/or
2) A total jack off

You're a condescending passive aggressive terrorist troll with an agenda. You intentionally needle people and then try to run and hide behind some thin veil you call "optimism"

I would just write off what you do to a simple but tragic case of too much ignorance mixed with an unhealthy dose of arrogance, but it's clear you are being willfully obtuse on purpose.

Notice, you never disagree with people, you simply dismiss them. You know what specific group excels at that kind of behavior?

Women.

I think where Splat failed is he gave you too much credit or simply took it for granted that he was dealing with a man or someone with a male mentality at it's core.

I've actually never seen you acknowledge on person, any person, who has had a different basketball opinion from yours. That's why your agenda is actually pretty transparent.

You don't actually respect other people's opinions but instantly run to claim the victim of some kind of fabricated intolerance to your own version of enlightenment. Again, that kind of wacky juju only starts to find clarity when one imagines your behavior like a womans and not a mans.

People are going to feel how they want to feel about the Knicks. Crazy as it sounds, it's actually ok to have a different opinion than yours. If someone disagrees with you, you write them off as "negative" or some other flaw in their character instead of just accepting sometimes people can actually agree to disagree.

Here's the difference between Splat and I.

Splat was just waiting for you to change your tampon.

I'm just waiting for you to stop menstruating.

Now you know what "direct" looks like. Here endeth the lesson.

agreed. Its good to have different opinions and its realistic. We all love the knicks and despite understandable frustration want things to turn around this summer

Im sorry, what? You agree with that? Did you actually read the post or do you just have a low opinion of women as well?

do you follow my every move on here lol. First off what the hell are you talking about women. I wasnt talking about women. My point was that different opinions isnt a bad thing whether its crítical or optimistic in regards to the KNICKS

If you actually read Triple's post you would know that it was quite demeaning to woman. Perhaps you don't have a problem with this or more likely as seems to be an issue here is that you did not carefully read the person you were agreeing with.

Nix started a thread to basically point out that posters here are running with media snippits and predicting doomsday scenarios for the knicks. Somehow DK turned it into a Melo Bash and TTT has put us on amber terror alert by equating Nix to a terrorist In addition to naming woman as a subclass of human beings. The issue is not clarity, but rather the continual agendas certain posters need to push in every thread.

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:On this forum there is a high level of knee jerk reaction to any quote and utterance made and often taken out of context. Seems to me that when you take the totality of the comments from Phil, Mills, Fish and Melo it's clear that most of the panic is wrong and not very helpful. We really don't need to have all of the ultra negative and panic strewn comments that the Media is all too happy to foment with leading articles and quotes taken out of context.

People are going to have different views and different opinions on what they see and hear about the Knicks from the press.

Your problem. ( It's YOURS, not anyone elses) Again, your problem is that you simply dismiss anyone with a different opinion as yours as either being

1) Ignorant
and/or
2) A total jack off

You're a condescending passive aggressive terrorist troll with an agenda. You intentionally needle people and then try to run and hide behind some thin veil you call "optimism"

I would just write off what you do to a simple but tragic case of too much ignorance mixed with an unhealthy dose of arrogance, but it's clear you are being willfully obtuse on purpose.

Notice, you never disagree with people, you simply dismiss them. You know what specific group excels at that kind of behavior?

Women.

I think where Splat failed is he gave you too much credit or simply took it for granted that he was dealing with a man or someone with a male mentality at it's core.

I've actually never seen you acknowledge on person, any person, who has had a different basketball opinion from yours. That's why your agenda is actually pretty transparent.

You don't actually respect other people's opinions but instantly run to claim the victim of some kind of fabricated intolerance to your own version of enlightenment. Again, that kind of wacky juju only starts to find clarity when one imagines your behavior like a womans and not a mans.

People are going to feel how they want to feel about the Knicks. Crazy as it sounds, it's actually ok to have a different opinion than yours. If someone disagrees with you, you write them off as "negative" or some other flaw in their character instead of just accepting sometimes people can actually agree to disagree.

Here's the difference between Splat and I.

Splat was just waiting for you to change your tampon.

I'm just waiting for you to stop menstruating.

Now you know what "direct" looks like. Here endeth the lesson.

agreed. Its good to have different opinions and its realistic. We all love the knicks and despite understandable frustration want things to turn around this summer

Im sorry, what? You agree with that? Did you actually read the post or do you just have a low opinion of women as well?

do you follow my every move on here lol. First off what the hell are you talking about women. I wasnt talking about women. My point was that different opinions isnt a bad thing whether its crítical or optimistic in regards to the KNICKS

StarksEwing1 it was at first a bit confusing since you started with "Agreed". Then you followed up with one specific aspect of the entire post, which I understood, but I can see someone not being sure if you agreed with the entire post, which was ugly or just the point you referenced. I took it that you only agreed with the point about different opinions.

TripleThreat has been needlessly ugly in his tone towards me. I take offense to his insults, not just as they're directed at me, but the entire framing of his insults are a disgrace. He's an intelligent poster but calling me a troll, terrorist and then his insulting statements calling me a women, only in the most disrespectful manner, is WAY over the top. Nothing i've posted warrants such an ugly post. I would suggest everyone just ignore it and move on.

My optimistic take on things isn't a sign of ignorance, arrogance or being obtuse as he thinks. I've got a genuine positive slant which is widely known and has been for a decade. That actually isn't what this thread is about tho. I just wanted to clear the air about misrepresentations by some fans and the media. That's why I posted exact quotes and not just my opinion on the matter. Phil, Fish and Melo have been often misquoted and assumptions have been made based on rumor and falsehoods. Clearing up those wrongs is the reason for this thread.

What I state is basically just the facts as I see them but clearly i'm not focusing on the negatives, which is my prerogative. I don't have to overstate the negatives. We already have to live thru that enough. So I tend to look for the silver linings which are very real. It's not that i'm unaware of the negatives, I simply don't wallow in the negative to the exclusion of all reasonable aspects of the teams options to improve in the near future. If you notice no one refutes the quotes or the other points I posted having to do with the teams options to improve this summer. Those things are irrefutable. They just hate my tone and posting style.

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:On this forum there is a high level of knee jerk reaction to any quote and utterance made and often taken out of context. Seems to me that when you take the totality of the comments from Phil, Mills, Fish and Melo it's clear that most of the panic is wrong and not very helpful. We really don't need to have all of the ultra negative and panic strewn comments that the Media is all too happy to foment with leading articles and quotes taken out of context.

People are going to have different views and different opinions on what they see and hear about the Knicks from the press.

Your problem. ( It's YOURS, not anyone elses) Again, your problem is that you simply dismiss anyone with a different opinion as yours as either being

1) Ignorant
and/or
2) A total jack off

You're a condescending passive aggressive terrorist troll with an agenda. You intentionally needle people and then try to run and hide behind some thin veil you call "optimism"

I would just write off what you do to a simple but tragic case of too much ignorance mixed with an unhealthy dose of arrogance, but it's clear you are being willfully obtuse on purpose.

Notice, you never disagree with people, you simply dismiss them. You know what specific group excels at that kind of behavior?

Women.

I think where Splat failed is he gave you too much credit or simply took it for granted that he was dealing with a man or someone with a male mentality at it's core.

I've actually never seen you acknowledge on person, any person, who has had a different basketball opinion from yours. That's why your agenda is actually pretty transparent.

You don't actually respect other people's opinions but instantly run to claim the victim of some kind of fabricated intolerance to your own version of enlightenment. Again, that kind of wacky juju only starts to find clarity when one imagines your behavior like a womans and not a mans.

People are going to feel how they want to feel about the Knicks. Crazy as it sounds, it's actually ok to have a different opinion than yours. If someone disagrees with you, you write them off as "negative" or some other flaw in their character instead of just accepting sometimes people can actually agree to disagree.

Here's the difference between Splat and I.

Splat was just waiting for you to change your tampon.

I'm just waiting for you to stop menstruating.

Now you know what "direct" looks like. Here endeth the lesson.

agreed. Its good to have different opinions and its realistic. We all love the knicks and despite understandable frustration want things to turn around this summer

Im sorry, what? You agree with that? Did you actually read the post or do you just have a low opinion of women as well?

do you follow my every move on here lol. First off what the hell are you talking about women. I wasnt talking about women. My point was that different opinions isnt a bad thing whether its crítical or optimistic in regards to the KNICKS

Ha not exactly. I think we just disagree quite a bit.

nixluva wrote:So now that everyone is settled on difference of opinion, we can get back to talking about the process of improving this franchise.

Contrary to some belief the Knicks are in sync for the 1st time in a long time. From Phil on down everyone is pulling in the same direction and Melo sounds like he's crystal clear on what the team is doing and wants to help. This is far different from 2010 which was not an example of a franchise in lock step and focused on the same goals. We can be thankful for that.

nixluva wrote:So now that everyone is settled on difference of opinion, we can get back to talking about the process of improving this franchise.

Contrary to some belief the Knicks are in sync for the 1st time in a long time. From Phil on down everyone is pulling in the same direction and Melo sounds like he's crystal clear on what the team is doing and wants to help. This is far different from 2010 which was not an example of a franchise in lock step and focused on the same goals. We can be thankful for that.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:On this forum there is a high level of knee jerk reaction to any quote and utterance made and often taken out of context. Seems to me that when you take the totality of the comments from Phil, Mills, Fish and Melo it's clear that most of the panic is wrong and not very helpful. We really don't need to have all of the ultra negative and panic strewn comments that the Media is all too happy to foment with leading articles and quotes taken out of context.

People are going to have different views and different opinions on what they see and hear about the Knicks from the press.

Your problem. ( It's YOURS, not anyone elses) Again, your problem is that you simply dismiss anyone with a different opinion as yours as either being

1) Ignorant
and/or
2) A total jack off

You're a condescending passive aggressive terrorist troll with an agenda. You intentionally needle people and then try to run and hide behind some thin veil you call "optimism"

I would just write off what you do to a simple but tragic case of too much ignorance mixed with an unhealthy dose of arrogance, but it's clear you are being willfully obtuse on purpose.

Notice, you never disagree with people, you simply dismiss them. You know what specific group excels at that kind of behavior?

Women.

I think where Splat failed is he gave you too much credit or simply took it for granted that he was dealing with a man or someone with a male mentality at it's core.

I've actually never seen you acknowledge on person, any person, who has had a different basketball opinion from yours. That's why your agenda is actually pretty transparent.

You don't actually respect other people's opinions but instantly run to claim the victim of some kind of fabricated intolerance to your own version of enlightenment. Again, that kind of wacky juju only starts to find clarity when one imagines your behavior like a womans and not a mans.

People are going to feel how they want to feel about the Knicks. Crazy as it sounds, it's actually ok to have a different opinion than yours. If someone disagrees with you, you write them off as "negative" or some other flaw in their character instead of just accepting sometimes people can actually agree to disagree.

Here's the difference between Splat and I.

Splat was just waiting for you to change your tampon.

I'm just waiting for you to stop menstruating.

Now you know what "direct" looks like. Here endeth the lesson.

agreed. Its good to have different opinions and its realistic. We all love the knicks and despite understandable frustration want things to turn around this summer

Im sorry, what? You agree with that? Did you actually read the post or do you just have a low opinion of women as well?

do you follow my every move on here lol. First off what the hell are you talking about women. I wasnt talking about women. My point was that different opinions isnt a bad thing whether its crítical or optimistic in regards to the KNICKS

Ha not exactly. I think we just disagree quite a bit.

thats fine but the only thing that bothered me is that you assumed i was agreeing with somebody that disrespected women...that i admit pissed me off

It would piss me off too. You quoted his entire post and said "agreed". No specific parts were bold and you made no mention of distancing yourself from his parts about women which is a vast majority of his post. I apologize for the misunderstanding but I hope you see where I was coming from.

i just dont think you should ever jump to conclusions especially on a issue like that.

TeamBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:So now that everyone is settled on difference of opinion, we can get back to talking about the process of improving this franchise.

Contrary to some belief the Knicks are in sync for the 1st time in a long time. From Phil on down everyone is pulling in the same direction and Melo sounds like he's crystal clear on what the team is doing and wants to help. This is far different from 2010 which was not an example of a franchise in lock step and focused on the same goals. We can be thankful for that.

That's the part where most people are split though. On one hand, it's great that we have some stability from top down. On the other hand, the top (Phil) has made some moves that some believe are questionable to say the least. That's where a lot of the apprehension comes from I think.

We can't compare Phil's options last summer with this summer. They're night and day. Last summer we had a lot of holdovers and no cap space. He was able to get us some draft picks and find some undrafted talent. People can complain about Phil not getting 1st rd picks in his trades. It's true he sold low and used some of his assets to get rid of guys but in the end that may not stop him from being successful this summer in revamping the roster. I really don't see any of his moves holding him back from being able to put together a good top 6 rotation.

Just looking at the roster in terms of his options from revamping the top 6 it's clear Phil will have the resources to get the players he needs. He's just got to make the right choices.

1.  Melo
2.  Schved
3.  Draft Pick - Towns, Okafor, Russell, Winslow, Hezonja or Mudiay IMO
4.  Free Agent?
5.  Free Agent?
6.  Free Agent?
7.  Galloway
8.  Thanasis
9.  Hardaway
10. Thomas
11. Aldrich
12. Amundson
13. Acy
14. Smith

TeamBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:So now that everyone is settled on difference of opinion, we can get back to talking about the process of improving this franchise.

Contrary to some belief the Knicks are in sync for the 1st time in a long time. From Phil on down everyone is pulling in the same direction and Melo sounds like he's crystal clear on what the team is doing and wants to help. This is far different from 2010 which was not an example of a franchise in lock step and focused on the same goals. We can be thankful for that.

That's the part where most people are split though. On one hand, it's great that we have some stability from top down. On the other hand, the top (Phil) has made some moves that some believe are questionable to say the least. That's where a lot of the apprehension comes from I think.

Very true. I think tho that some put too much weight on what he did in what was always a transition year. The idea was to try to have a good year but not sacrifice too much of the future since we all knew we had a big off season coming up. The fact that he took a chance on Jose and it didn't work out is a problem but not an insurmountable one. I'm positive he'll resolve that issue and we'll move on to more important roster moves.

We can't compare Phil's options last summer with this summer. They're night and day. Last summer we had a lot of holdovers and no cap space. He was able to get us some draft picks and find some undrafted talent. People can complain about Phil not getting 1st rd picks in his trades. It's true he sold low and used some of his assets to get rid of guys but in the end that may not stop him from being successful this summer in revamping the roster. I really don't see any of his moves holding him back from being able to put together a good top 6 rotation.

Just looking at the roster in terms of his options from revamping the top 6 it's clear Phil will have the resources to get the players he needs. He's just got to make the right choices.

1.  Melo
2.  Schved
3.  Draft Pick - Towns, Okafor, Russell, Winslow, Hezonja or Mudiay IMO
4.  Free Agent?
5.  Free Agent?
6.  Free Agent?
7.  Galloway
8.  Thanasis
9.  Hardaway
10. Thomas
11. Aldrich
12. Amundson
13. Acy
14. Smith

Pretty well said. I do agree that some put too much weight on it but you can't ignore it either. Jose has been quite a disappointment and the pg position is a very important one since we have Melo. The only problem I foresee is us having to throw big money at guys just to entice them to come but that's kinds of a the nature of the business I guess.

We have to hope that our assets are enough to put a team together that is greater than the sum of it's parts. That's the new trend now with Atlanta finding success doing that. I like to lay out the Knicks roster and how it can be revamped this summer just to remind people that it's really about just a few additions. Hope for the best in the draft and sign at the least 2 starting quality Free Agents. That is a practical approach this summer and realistic.

CrushAlot wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:On this forum there is a high level of knee jerk reaction to any quote and utterance made and often taken out of context. Seems to me that when you take the totality of the comments from Phil, Mills, Fish and Melo it's clear that most of the panic is wrong and not very helpful. We really don't need to have all of the ultra negative and panic strewn comments that the Media is all too happy to foment with leading articles and quotes taken out of context.

People are going to have different views and different opinions on what they see and hear about the Knicks from the press.

Your problem. ( It's YOURS, not anyone elses) Again, your problem is that you simply dismiss anyone with a different opinion as yours as either being

1) Ignorant
and/or
2) A total jack off

You're a condescending passive aggressive terrorist troll with an agenda. You intentionally needle people and then try to run and hide behind some thin veil you call "optimism"

I would just write off what you do to a simple but tragic case of too much ignorance mixed with an unhealthy dose of arrogance, but it's clear you are being willfully obtuse on purpose.

Notice, you never disagree with people, you simply dismiss them. You know what specific group excels at that kind of behavior?

Women.

I think where Splat failed is he gave you too much credit or simply took it for granted that he was dealing with a man or someone with a male mentality at it's core.

I've actually never seen you acknowledge on person, any person, who has had a different basketball opinion from yours. That's why your agenda is actually pretty transparent.

You don't actually respect other people's opinions but instantly run to claim the victim of some kind of fabricated intolerance to your own version of enlightenment. Again, that kind of wacky juju only starts to find clarity when one imagines your behavior like a womans and not a mans.

People are going to feel how they want to feel about the Knicks. Crazy as it sounds, it's actually ok to have a different opinion than yours. If someone disagrees with you, you write them off as "negative" or some other flaw in their character instead of just accepting sometimes people can actually agree to disagree.

Here's the difference between Splat and I.

Splat was just waiting for you to change your tampon.

I'm just waiting for you to stop menstruating.

Now you know what "direct" looks like. Here endeth the lesson.

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Yes agreed, post was way overboard and unnecessary. Thanks.

knickscity wrote:I honestly dont see why "CLARITY" is needed. We all have eyes and ears. We SAW an awful season, we HEARD Phil admit is was. This is a different animal for Phil Jackson. He didnt win his rings as an executive. Perhaps some of that can transfer into his new position, but so far it hasnt and he personally has admitted so. If he continues to talk about it....so will I.

I dont think there is a Knicks fan alive that doesnt want the team to be successful, and to constantly harp on folks who have doubts actually says more about you. I would love forward to the draft and free agency no matter who is in office, but for the record do I trust Phil the "executive?" No, and I no reason to do so at this point. Do I hope Phil can rebuild the team and make it good or better? Yes.

This thread isn't about legitimate complaints or dissatisfaction with the current regime or roster. If you read what I said I was extremely specific that I was addressing fan and media misrepresentations and exaggeration. I can't be anymore clear than that. Please go back and read the quotes and then compare that to the way some fans and media have responded or reported about those quotes and they don't match at all.

Also the Knicks situation isn't nearly as grim as some fans and media make it out to be. We'll see how things go over the next few months and then we can talk about those moves. There's going to be a lot to discuss.