crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/former-coach-says-carmelo-anthony-wants-rajon-rondo-on-the-knicks-1.6555975

that article is 3 years old.

I think taking interview comments and translating those comments into "Melo as the same pull as Phil" is beyond a stretch. He's a max guy with a no trade clause on sport/team where a dozen guys make up the roster. I mean of course he's going to have say.

Likability and chemistry have never been Melo's problems. The year he took the 2nd most shots on his team (Iverson #1) was always his most EF% year. Go find an a quote from a former player saying they didnt like playing with Melo. I can show you plenty from guys who says they did.. from Jason Kidd to Langston Galloway. His leadership problems stem from him wanting to be more buddy buddy with teammates rather then being the tough guy who challenges and brings it. Listen to any of the old vets they all say the same.. they loved playing with him.

There it is in black and white.. the guy says he would take a #2 role.

It's from 18 months ago.

Who are we going to get that Melo would play #2 to? Realistically - who is that person?

My worry for a while is that off-season would boil down to - trade the pick for Kevin Love and sign Rondo.

Who else is out there that Melo would play second fiddle to?

So my thought is simply this. Phi has coached 11 title teams. He's been beaten as well. Detroit dismanted him. Boston beat him.. I mean dont you think Phil has an idea of what it takes to be elite in this league? Dont you know he's aware of the talent he had in these guys he won titles with? If you think he's got one tenth of a clue how can you suggest he would build his next title team run around Rondo, KLove and MElo? It just doesnt add up...
C Stein
PF Love
SF Melo
SG Langston
PG Rondo
Bench: Shved, Cole, etc... something like that? Does that look like Phil's blueprint for his legacy? Ill believe it when I see it, but some guys on here have a tendancy to continually post a terrible scenario, then refer to that scenario like its been talked about for time now and has plausibility. Briggs and his Stein pick is a miserable fantasy that has no bearing on reality

BRIGGS wrote:You need to take the bpa regardless of position and regardless of age. The player the Knicks scouting staff believes is the best long term player. OR if they find a multi faceted asset trade down that made tremendous sense-- either or. You can't say we won't take a 19 year old pg what if it's determined that this player is bpa. This pick is worth more than a 3 year timeframe melo might have. This is for the next wave

franco12 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Just trying to read the "tea leaves."

Start with the comment about Town's butt by Phil's friend...

add Anthony's comment about a 19 yr old PG...

and top with this photofrom January.

Draw your own conclusions.

Is that Okafor and Melo?

Makes sense that he'd be their top pick for the Triangle... but they have to be in range for him.

If they take OK4, I can't see how signing Greg Monroe makes any sense.

I could see OK4 working super well for them in the Triangle.

But where does having the top one-way center in the NBA get you these days? OKC didn't even make the playoffs with Kanter AND Russ. The Nets are the 8 seed under .500 with Brook Lopez.

Anyway, they have to get a top 2 or maybe top 3 pick to be able to take Okafor. So. We'll see.

I'd love it if we can grab Okafor - no idea who the pic is, bad eyes.

But what is problematic is that we might rule out talented players simply because of our desire to jump start the corpse that is this roster.

And if we miss the next Jordan because we wanted the next Sam Bowie because Phil & Melo couldn't wait, then Phil sure as heck needs to give up his 2 championship rings from his Knick days, unretire his number and kick him out of the HOF.

Couple of photos taken that day.

franco12 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Just trying to read the "tea leaves."

Start with the comment about Town's butt by Phil's friend...

add Anthony's comment about a 19 yr old PG...

and top with this photofrom January.

Draw your own conclusions.

Is that Okafor and Melo?

Makes sense that he'd be their top pick for the Triangle... but they have to be in range for him.

If they take OK4, I can't see how signing Greg Monroe makes any sense.

I could see OK4 working super well for them in the Triangle.

But where does having the top one-way center in the NBA get you these days? OKC didn't even make the playoffs with Kanter AND Russ. The Nets are the 8 seed under .500 with Brook Lopez.

Anyway, they have to get a top 2 or maybe top 3 pick to be able to take Okafor. So. We'll see.

I'd love it if we can grab Okafor - no idea who the pic is, bad eyes.

But what is problematic is that we might rule out talented players simply because of our desire to jump start the corpse that is this roster.

And if we miss the next Jordan because we wanted the next Sam Bowie because Phil & Melo couldn't wait, then Phil sure as heck needs to give up his 2 championship rings from his Knick days, unretire his number and kick him out of the HOF.

Yes that is OK4 in that pic.

Phil has made it clear he's not looking at the draft solely for immediate impact tho that would be great. He's using Free Agency for proven talent. People need to freakin relax on the freakout over what Melo said. Phil has been down this road before with young player like Bynum and he won. He was fearful of having Bynum in the mix but he saw that he could still win with a young prospect in the mix.

Phil said that he wants the team to have a future component as well as a current component. He'll draft according to talent and then go from there. The Draft comes 1st. If the best player left when the Knicks draft is not ready to be an immediate impact I don't think that would stop Phil from drafting him. Remember tho we're talking top 5 picks here. Those are all good players.

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo the GM doubting Melo the GM?

@Al_Iannazzone: Melo said there were times when he second-guessed himself about whether he made the right decision re-signing with Knicks.

LOL

The gift that keeps on giving

dear melo please please PLEASE take your talents away from MSG this summer

franco12 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Just trying to read the "tea leaves."

Start with the comment about Town's butt by Phil's friend...

add Anthony's comment about a 19 yr old PG...

and top with this photofrom January.

Draw your own conclusions.

Is that Okafor and Melo?

Makes sense that he'd be their top pick for the Triangle... but they have to be in range for him.

If they take OK4, I can't see how signing Greg Monroe makes any sense.

I could see OK4 working super well for them in the Triangle.

But where does having the top one-way center in the NBA get you these days? OKC didn't even make the playoffs with Kanter AND Russ. The Nets are the 8 seed under .500 with Brook Lopez.

Anyway, they have to get a top 2 or maybe top 3 pick to be able to take Okafor. So. We'll see.

I'd love it if we can grab Okafor - no idea who the pic is, bad eyes.

But what is problematic is that we might rule out talented players simply because of our desire to jump start the corpse that is this roster.

And if we miss the next Jordan because we wanted the next Sam Bowie because Phil & Melo couldn't wait, then Phil sure as heck needs to give up his 2 championship rings from his Knick days, unretire his number and kick him out of the HOF.

judging on how uncut the arms are and how short he is, it looks to be okafor.

BRIGGS wrote:You need to take the bpa regardless of position and regardless of age. The player the Knicks scouting staff believes is the best long term player. OR if they find a multi faceted asset trade down that made tremendous sense-- either or. You can't say we won't take a 19 year old pg what if it's determined that this player is bpa. This pick is worth more than a 3 year timeframe melo might have. This is for the next wave

The differences between/among some of the players in this draft are minimal, IMO- and who is to say how any particular team ranks players on their draft board.

As some have pointed out, at one time it was easier to evaluate a player because they had a track record during their 4 years of college. Now you are trying to predict how kids who are one year out of HS will perform in the NBA.

Who is to say that Kaminsky might not be a more productive player than Towns or OK4? Does anyone really know whether Mudiay is better than Russell, or vice versa? How long will it take the two Euros to develop (and what will they develop into), and do you take that into consideration when you are drafting them? Can either Winslow or Russell eventually be the best player to come out of this draft, as some have said- and if one is, how much better will he really be than Towns or OK4?

This player evaluation process ain't science, folks. 30 teams (including the Knicks) passed on the 22 year old/4 year player at a good BB program, Langston Galloway, who is now poised to be a second team All-NBA rookie.

Its not a crapshoot- more like a pseudo-science.

Thabeet and Beasley were the 2nd picks in their respective drafts. Wesley Johnson, Epke Udoh and Flynn were picked in the top 6, Derrick Williams was a #2 pick, and OJ Mayo was a #3. Jan Vesely and Bismack Biyombo were chosen ahead of Klay Thompson.

Yup, it sure is easy to pick the BPA when its your time on the clock.

WaltLongmire wrote:

dk7th wrote:

franco12 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Just trying to read the "tea leaves."

Start with the comment about Town's butt by Phil's friend...

add Anthony's comment about a 19 yr old PG...

and top with this photofrom January.

Draw your own conclusions.

Is that Okafor and Melo?

Makes sense that he'd be their top pick for the Triangle... but they have to be in range for him.

If they take OK4, I can't see how signing Greg Monroe makes any sense.

I could see OK4 working super well for them in the Triangle.

But where does having the top one-way center in the NBA get you these days? OKC didn't even make the playoffs with Kanter AND Russ. The Nets are the 8 seed under .500 with Brook Lopez.

Anyway, they have to get a top 2 or maybe top 3 pick to be able to take Okafor. So. We'll see.

I'd love it if we can grab Okafor - no idea who the pic is, bad eyes.

But what is problematic is that we might rule out talented players simply because of our desire to jump start the corpse that is this roster.

And if we miss the next Jordan because we wanted the next Sam Bowie because Phil & Melo couldn't wait, then Phil sure as heck needs to give up his 2 championship rings from his Knick days, unretire his number and kick him out of the HOF.

judging on how uncut the arms are and how short he is, it looks to be okafor.

Funny, but he looks much taller in another photo they took together. The one I chose did make me pause a bit when I saw it. His arms look more cut in this one, too.

okay much better but okafor has put on a lot of weight since these two fotos. look he's going to be a decent pro i have no problems with that. the main issue is how much melo is going to be marginalized-- or whether he IS going to be marginalized-- the next several seasons.

i don't agree with the accumulate talent for its own sake approach, especially if it's win now. funny thing it's been win now ever since february 20 2011...............