gunsnewing wrote:David Falk. Jordan and Ewings old agent

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:I go back to the fact that there are only a finite group of players worth going after in this Free Agent Market. We have very little chance at the best of those players and only a limited amount of cap on top of that. So that being the case we are going to have to go after the next level of players. That leads to guys like Monroe, Matthews, Danny Green etc.

Phil just talked to fans about settling for player after not getting who fits what you are doing..He said signing Amare was a mistake..

Monroe is 24 yr old Post big who can pass. That fits, but he's not Marc Gasol. You can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Monroe would be a good upgrade for this team. This isn't a situation where you can take an absolutist approach. Just cuz we can't get the best big man Free Agent does't mean that no other free agent big is worth going after.

Look at Detriot, they were losing at a high rate with him..Without him, they were winning..Plain as day..I just hope these reports are wrong..

That means absolutely nothing. We won't be playing anything like Detroit. Phil has had so much success with bigs like Monroe in this system that it's a clear fit. Don't talk to me about the damn Pistons when we have an offense that's proven to work with post bigs. They may do better without him but that has no bearing on how he'd fit in our system. Just like how Schved looked so much better in our system than he did on other teams.

Look at KLove, another non impact guy..His team didn't win with him in Minny..He has been zero impact in Cleveland..And I like KLove..DLee the same thing..

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:I go back to the fact that there are only a finite group of players worth going after in this Free Agent Market. We have very little chance at the best of those players and only a limited amount of cap on top of that. So that being the case we are going to have to go after the next level of players. That leads to guys like Monroe, Matthews, Danny Green etc.

Phil just talked to fans about settling for player after not getting who fits what you are doing..He said signing Amare was a mistake..

Monroe is 24 yr old Post big who can pass. That fits, but he's not Marc Gasol. You can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Monroe would be a good upgrade for this team. This isn't a situation where you can take an absolutist approach. Just cuz we can't get the best big man Free Agent does't mean that no other free agent big is worth going after.

Look at Detriot, they were losing at a high rate with him..Without him, they were winning..Plain as day..I just hope these reports are wrong..

That means absolutely nothing. We won't be playing anything like Detroit. Phil has had so much success with bigs like Monroe in this system that it's a clear fit. Don't talk to me about the damn Pistons when we have an offense that's proven to work with post bigs. They may do better without him but that has no bearing on how he'd fit in our system. Just like how Schved looked so much better in our system than he did on other teams.

Look at KLove, another non impact guy..His team didn't win with him in Minny..He has been zero impact in Cleveland..And I like KLove..DLee the same thing..

PLAYER	                GP	GS	MIN	PPG	OFFR	DEFR	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TPG	FPG	A/TO	PER
Carmelo Anthony, SF	40	40	35.7	24.2	1.8	4.8	6.6	3.1	1.00	0.43	2.2	2.2	1.4	21.6
Greg Monroe, PF	        66	54	31.2	16.1	3.5	7.0	10.5	2.0	1.08	0.50	2.2	2.1	0.9	21.2
Cole Aldrich, C	        58	13	15.7	5.1	1.6	3.7	5.3	1.2	0.62	1.07	1.0	2.0	1.3	17.0
Andrea Bargnani, C	29	22	27.1	14.8	1.1	3.3	4.4	1.6	0.07	0.93	1.4	1.8	1.1	16.8
Jason Smith, PF	        79	28	21.5	7.8	1.2	2.7	3.8	1.6	0.39	0.48	1.2	2.5	1.3	11.6
Lou Amundson, PF†	38	35	21.0	6.0	2.3	3.9	6.2	1.6	0.47	1.26	1.2	2.8	1.3	12.9

TripleThreat wrote:

holfresh wrote:He is a zero impact player..Why would anyone max out a guy who has no impact on wins?

James Dolan has been torn apart by fans and the sports media for years. By hiring Phil Jackson for big bucks and resigning Melo for big bucks and taking a "step back" he can say he did everything he could to try to win. He can try to pass the buck on blame.

Melo has been torn apart by the fans and sports media for years as a guy who just can't get over the hump and the kind of player that you just can't build around and build a true winner/contender. He can say he tried and try to say he wanted to be loyal to the Knicks or whatever other force fed thing Leon Rose of CAA will tell him to say but will still find a way to say the wrong thing at the wrong time.

Phil Jackson has recently been torn apart by the media and fans and honestly his legacy of 'rings' isn't going to hold much water much longer after a season like this. He can say he tried to win, but silently pass the blame to his 'franchise player' and the condition of the team he inherited from the "worst owner in sports"

You've got three big impact guys in the franchise who have more at stake with their personal legacy/public perception than they do about winning and the best future for the Knicks as a franchise.

If Monroe gets the max, this is a bona fide treadmill team. This will be a no defense team that will float in that 7th to 9th in the East limbo for the next four years. When Jackson and Melo are gone, the team will have to start over and reboot from scratch, which they should have started doing last year.

Monroe is a face saving narrative for three power players who don't actually seem to really care about the Knicks as a team. To me, it's not about wins anymore, it's about how they are going to carve up the blame in the future.

I keep saying it since this offseason, but really how hard is it to screw up a NBA franchise rebuild?

Hire a young up and coming GM prospect. Trade any veteran players with trade value ( Melo) that won't fit into a rebuild timeline with their contract. Don't go after the same kind of players in the past, that kill cap flexibility, that have brought the team into the current hell in the first place. Take a solid and steady long term approach to a rebuild, much like most of the current contenders had to do.

I mean how do you get a rebuild like this wrong? I mean there are some ballboys in the league who can figure out what the Knicks really need to do structurally to build for their future. It's actually pathetic that the Knicks brain trust is directly moving towards a treadmill team and only delaying the inevitable full on rebuild needed for this team. Again, it's like a person who tries to avoid the dentist when the drilling is going to happen anyway. All you are doing is letting the rotten tooth fester and then suffering in pain for nothing.

Sam Hinkie 2.0?

- about $35 mill in cap space
- buy out jose calderon

As someone tweeted during Phil's town hall meeting, most of the scoring that Okafor does is where Melo likes to operate. This might be Phil trying to cover the bases.

holfresh wrote:He is a zero impact player..Why would anyone max out a guy who has no impact on wins?

Unfortunately the max guys who impact wins, don't really make it to free agency. Hopefully we bag one in the draft, to go alongside Melo. That means we can afford to max out a guy who is consistent, and fill out the roster with cheap impact players.

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:I go back to the fact that there are only a finite group of players worth going after in this Free Agent Market. We have very little chance at the best of those players and only a limited amount of cap on top of that. So that being the case we are going to have to go after the next level of players. That leads to guys like Monroe, Matthews, Danny Green etc.

Phil just talked to fans about settling for player after not getting who fits what you are doing..He said signing Amare was a mistake..

Monroe is 24 yr old Post big who can pass. That fits, but he's not Marc Gasol. You can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Monroe would be a good upgrade for this team. This isn't a situation where you can take an absolutist approach. Just cuz we can't get the best big man Free Agent does't mean that no other free agent big is worth going after.

Look at Detriot, they were losing at a high rate with him..Without him, they were winning..Plain as day..I just hope these reports are wrong..

They also won at a high rate with him, after they traded Josh Smith and before they traded for Reggie Jackson.

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Are we talking about the max? This would be a marginally adequate signing. C-
I'd be excited about watching Monroe but I'd rather make small additions, buy picks, and make trades with our cap space.

Monroe isnt worth his max, hell thats a primary reason why the Pistons didnt offer it to him. You have to wonder why a team wouldnt offer a solid deal to a player averaging a double double.