gunsnewing wrote:You have the actual audio or quotes? I'm gonna try to find them

And I've already spoke about Towns weaknesses. You are just hearing what you want to hear. None of them are as glaring as OK4's.

Primarily staying out of foul trouble and becoming even more dominant in the post as he learns how players are defending him. Being able to beat guys in the most with an array of post moves so that he can't ever be stopped in the post. Those things will come in time. He is 19 and still growing

In assessing Towns' play against Ole Miss on Tuesday, Calipari said, "He sprinted 10 times in that game. Eight of them were in that first four minutes. How did he play?"

Towns scored seven points as Kentucky zipped to a 12-0 lead inside the first three minutes. He scored four points the rest of the game.

"Didn't play (hard)," Calipari said. "Started fading. Didn't play as aggressive. Didn't run as hard.

"It's all about effort and energy. But these guys are young."

Calipari said it was easier for a player to pace himself rather than play hard for a sustained period.

"Jog, stand straight up and shoot a fadeaway," Calipari said of the telltale signs. "You just can't win that way."

Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2015/01/09/3633150/kentucky-texas-am-notes-calipari.html#storylink=cpy

gunsnewing wrote:That is Ok4's own coach speaking not me tearing him down. So go ahead Fish ignore the red flags if you wish. We'll talk about in a year

Duke head coach Mike Krzyzewski had enormous praise for star freshman Jahlil Okafor today on The Jim Rome Show. The Hall of Famer said he’s never had anyone better than the likely first overall selection in the 2015 NBA Draft during his time in Durham.

“He’s as good as anybody I’ve coached at Duke,” Krzyzewski said. “I think, as a pro, I didn’t get a chance to coach Kyrie (Irving) only 11 games, he’s of that ilk, of Grant Hill’s ilk, actually Jason Williams, if he didn’t get hurt. You’re talking about National Player of the Year caliber and then the type of talent that translates into being a great pro.”

Coach K says Okafor’s skills translate off the court too.

“He’s gifted and he’s really as good as a kid as I’ve coached in 40 years,” said Krzyzewski. “He’s got it all, he has no demons, he only has positives and stuff, he’s only going to get better and is a great teammate and competitor. Like, the kid’s the real deal in every aspect, I love Jah.”

Krzyzewski also weighed in on fellow Chicago native Derrick Rose’s meniscus injury, the latest setback for the 2011 NBA MVP.

“The thing with Derrick is so unfortunate, it reminds me somewhat of Grant, Grant Hill,” Krzyzewski said. “Where Grant Hill was going to be one of the Top 25 players in the history of the sport and then his ankle injured for 3 ½ years, he was never able to get back.”

Despite the type of injury Rose suffered, Krzyzewski still believes the 26-year old point guard can bounce back.

“I still believe with the meniscus there’s a chance for him to get back,” said Krzyzewski. “Physically a meniscus, again look you want all your body parts the right way, it’s not the ACL, it’s not micro fracture surgery, and it can be done.”

Coach K said Rose’s bigger battle will be between his ears having already dealt with serious knee injury rehabs before.

“He’ll recover physically, the emotional stuff, the fact that you keep rehabbing, you keep rehabbing and you’re never able to get back to that level and then something else happens,” said Krzyzewski. “Hopefully he can stay strong and the people around him can support him and he’ll have that opportunity because he’s still young, he can still get it done.”
Krzyzewski also talked glowingly about another injured former MVP, Kobe Bryant.

“I tell you what, I don’t like Kobe, I love Kobe,” Krzyzewski marveled. “He’s a great, great friend. I’ve told him this before in front of him ‘you’re an alien, someone placed you on this planet because you don’t tick like everyone else, and that’s what’s made you great.’”

Coach K, who also coached the 36-year old Bryant on the National team, doesn’t think the 5-time World Champion will walk away from the game easily.

“I think Kobe Bryant will go out swinging, and that’s what I love about him,” said Krzyzewski. “He’s all about the highest level of performance, and how can you criticize that. How can you criticize someone who seeks excellent, he’s willing to pay the price of how to prepare, what to say, to show up every day. Come on, there’s hardly been anybody like him, he’s so incredibly unique and been a gift to the game, and a gift to sport.”

Good posting Guns... keep telling the forum about how OK4s coach is "tearing him down" and has issues between the ears. Why the dishonesty?

Oh.. and just so you know... Towns is also awesome.

2008
4th pick - Russell Westbrook
5th pick - Kevin Love
6th pick - hey it's the Knicks - Danilo Gallinari

2009
7th pick - Steph Curry
8th pick - hey it's the Knicks - Jordan Hill

The 2009 draft stabs me like a knife every time I think about it.

In 2008, by the odds the Knicks should have had the 5th pick, but the Bulls jumped up from the 9th slot to get the no.1 pick and draft Derrick Rose. I woulda been fine if the Knicks had gotten pick 5 and Kevin Love. sigh.

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gunsnewing wrote:

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gunsnewing wrote:Listening to Colin Cowherd. He just played a clip from coach K. analyzing OK4. He said he has great hands & great footwork but needs to improve his worth ethic to compete against the best in the NBA. Assuming he's talking about improving his conditioning and defense. Things we all already are aware of that raise red flags as a top 2 pick.

If Towns, Mudiay, Winslow and Russell are off the board and we draft OK4 I will be very happy and hopeful that he does improve on those areas. Just like I would hope Mudiay develops a killer jumper. However I think it's easier to develop a jumper than fix things between the ears. Ok4 has to have it in him to want to be great. Otherwise he will be just another Boozer, Eddy curry etc

Didn't Calipari call out Towns for lack of effort this season? Coaches calling out their players like that is a motivational technique.

Yes after the Dec 5th game vs UNC and he responded and improved as the year went along. Ok4's defense and conditioning never improved which is what coach K was talking about today

So that's two different times, with the example I posted from the Ole Miss game. Cal also called out Towns after a close win over LSU. And I'm saying this as someone who likes Towns a lot. I'd take him number one.

But this is a motivational technique - Coach K was trying to motivate OK4. Cal was trying to motivate KAT. It's really that simple.

Oh yea I agree with that. It's how coaches try to get their top prospects to realize their potential but the comments from coach K came today after the season. Why would he go out of his way to be honest about OK4. He should be hyping him up.

I'm assuming those quotes are from today since it was just played on radio but maybe they are old. Gotta look into it

yellowboy90 wrote:i like Towns but those Highlights were weak, imo. He didn't look that explosive when attacking the rim. It looked like a long arm guy reaching for the rim. I mean his head stays near the bottom of the nets when he dunks. Then on his post moves its all bully ball/chicken wing/hooks. That's great against undersized players but boy will he have to learn fast.

what I like is his physical attributes and body type. He might be able to translate bully ball into his pro game as he matures and develop real moves. What is also appealing is his possible shooting ability. If he has a jumper it would real set him apart.

In a way, he reminds me of a taller Nene, I think Nene was a better athlete(pre_injury/cancer) but there body types and offensive games could be similar. Towns is more defensive minded which is great. I just hope he has a greatness motor that Nene lacks. Nene kind of has that Rasheed Wallace type mind set where he is comfortable being the other guy. That's not really a bad thing but they could have been greats if their mindsets matched their physical abilities and skill.

Hes not taller than Nene but they dont have the same games at all.

I can tell easily that Towns will be a MUCH better rebounder/shot blocker. He is quick to the ball rebounds out of space grabs the ball at peak in traffic--so many things that will let a team know he is a + rebounder. I dont believe Nene was ever a shot blocker and while it remains to be seen if Towns is---his timing is good/great his reach for the ball is quick and long and his block ratio as a freshmen is very high.

Other differences--Towns has a higher ceiling offensively because his game has more diversity and he has a great stroke. He shoots FT at nearly 85% and while we have not see Towns use a mid range game--he should be able to develop an in game one and I think he has a world of possibilities on the offensive end/.

If I had to make a comparison (and this is without his growing anymore--if he does spring up those 2-3 inches then watch out) but I think hes more like A Lamarcus Aldridge with the ability to block shots. I like him at the 4 position unless he grows over 7 feet early in his career.

Smart players know they don't need highlight reel dunks.

The rest of your post is very accurate

gunsnewing wrote:Fish who is a better rebounder in your opinion? Towns or OK4

Ok4 did not reach double digit rebounds since Feb 28th before the tournament began. Towns did it a few times since. How exactly am I lying?

In my opinion they are even. I think OK4 is a better positional guy. He boxes out better and has better position in the post. Most of that is from playing the 5 all year where as Towns played forward. Towns usually guarded smaller players so his MO was to out hustle and out muscle and that was very effective also. I think day 1 in the NBA OK4 is a much better rebounder because his techniques and habits will help him against the bigger NBA players, but I see that as a temporary advantage and dont see rebounding as something KAT will struggle with for very long (if he does at all).

So my opinion on that skill on one player vs. another is its a push. In college probably Towns. In the pros def OK4. For the future I see no clear advantage. Shooting isnt a skill one can always aquire. Like hitting a curve ball some athletes will never have the super fine motor skill it takes to have that kind of precision. Rebounding and good technique can be coached. Look at Camby's #s before the Knicks and after. Playing under JVG and next to Ewing made him a better player. No red flags there for either player IMO

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Lift should improve as he strengthens his legs