EwingsGlass wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

nixluva wrote:Not all teams will be buyers. Some teams will be using much of their space to retain top players.

I've tried to form a rough list of cap space teams will have but it's not 100% accurate due to cap holds which can change.

                                ACTIVE 
RANK    TEAM                    PLAYERS   GUARDS CAP    FORWARDS CAP    CENTERS CAP     TOTAL CAP       Cap Space
1	Philadelphia 76ers	11	  $4,171,689	$6,489,583	$8,084,760	31,927,380	$34,572,620
2	Portland Trail Blazers	8	  $17,629,187	$12,235,750	$8,091,879	37,956,816	$32,310,074
3	Detroit Pistons	        10	  $18,351,316	$11,108,458	$3,272,090	39,488,010	$27,011,990
4	New York Knicks	        5	  $9,552,391	$23,720,059	$0	        39,601,427	$26,898,573
5	Atlanta Hawks	        9	  $18,196,733	$10,027,088	$12,000,000	40,223,821	$24,715,679
6	San Antonio Spurs	6	  $17,016,447	$2,328,664	$16,000,000	42,425,096	$24,074,904
7	Dallas Mavericks	7	  $16,723,759	$25,640,495	$0	        43,906,698	$22,593,302
8	Phoenix Suns	        9	  $21,412,600	$17,211,545	$3,807,120	47,999,723	$18,500,277
9	Los Angeles Lakers	10	  $31,909,287	$6,802,151	$9,981,348	48,692,786	$17,807,214
10	Boston Celtics	        10	  $20,771,362	$15,800,625	$4,782,135	41,354,122	$14,557,030

It looks like you have both cap holds and 1st year contracts included in the total cap numbers. Is that correct? Did you use $4.7MM for the Knicks assuming #1 overall? Or #4 overall assuming that is the minimum contract we will have from our draft pick? Then 4 cap holds?

Roster spots look like they will be an issue for Philly.

cap holds are not included or else Portland would have zero space. by not including cap holds it creates an artificial kind of.

I mean for minimum roster... 507k for each player under 10 on the roster.

the list is just a rough estimate. There are a lot of details that I didn't feel like going over for each team and each scenario. My main point is that the Knicks will be major players because they are real buyers and some teams are going to be playing defense and others aren't really looking to build thru Free Agency like the Knicks.

Agreed. I wasn't trying to sound critical. I just wanted to know what amount you used for the draft pick ... did you use the #1 pick rookie scale contract or the #4? The only benefit we get to falling in the draft is more cap space. So, if you are indifferent between the top 4 players, you might hope for the 4 pick. As much as I want Towns, Russell with the 4 pick would be a steal -- if it played out that way.

EG, if I were the Knicks--I'd absolutely look at Timmy Hardaway's and Jose Calderon's contracts as a way to increase our salary cap$ by trading TH for a future #2 pick and simply waiving Calderon and stretching his contract. That is actually 5.6mm more we could increase. I'm a big disbeliever in Calderon and while Hardaway could still be developing--he seems to be going south instead of north. Nothing I couldnt get from the D league. He's too inconsistent for my taste.

I agree on Hardaway. I want to believe that JC's 43% from 3pt is worth something. I know you are quite down on him, injuries aside, I think he can be effective -- if only to get the ball up the court and then spread the floor on offense. Defensively, well..might be JC's defensive flaws will overwhelm his usefulness. The problem is that this waiving issue must happen in the offseason to create any tangible benefit to the Knicks. That doesn't leave a lot of time to see if he can be effective. But, if I stretch him and give Shveddy the saved dollars, I might be better off.

knickscity wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

nixluva wrote:Not all teams will be buyers. Some teams will be using much of their space to retain top players.

I've tried to form a rough list of cap space teams will have but it's not 100% accurate due to cap holds which can change.

                                ACTIVE 
RANK    TEAM                    PLAYERS   GUARDS CAP    FORWARDS CAP    CENTERS CAP     TOTAL CAP       Cap Space
1	Philadelphia 76ers	11	  $4,171,689	$6,489,583	$8,084,760	31,927,380	$34,572,620
2	Portland Trail Blazers	8	  $17,629,187	$12,235,750	$8,091,879	37,956,816	$32,310,074
3	Detroit Pistons	        10	  $18,351,316	$11,108,458	$3,272,090	39,488,010	$27,011,990
4	New York Knicks	        5	  $9,552,391	$23,720,059	$0	        39,601,427	$26,898,573
5	Atlanta Hawks	        9	  $18,196,733	$10,027,088	$12,000,000	40,223,821	$24,715,679
6	San Antonio Spurs	6	  $17,016,447	$2,328,664	$16,000,000	42,425,096	$24,074,904
7	Dallas Mavericks	7	  $16,723,759	$25,640,495	$0	        43,906,698	$22,593,302
8	Phoenix Suns	        9	  $21,412,600	$17,211,545	$3,807,120	47,999,723	$18,500,277
9	Los Angeles Lakers	10	  $31,909,287	$6,802,151	$9,981,348	48,692,786	$17,807,214
10	Boston Celtics	        10	  $20,771,362	$15,800,625	$4,782,135	41,354,122	$14,557,030

It looks like you have both cap holds and 1st year contracts included in the total cap numbers. Is that correct? Did you use $4.7MM for the Knicks assuming #1 overall? Or #4 overall assuming that is the minimum contract we will have from our draft pick? Then 4 cap holds?

Roster spots look like they will be an issue for Philly.

cap holds are not included or else Portland would have zero space. by not including cap holds it creates an artificial kind of.

I mean for minimum roster... 507k for each player under 10 on the roster.

the list is just a rough estimate. There are a lot of details that I didn't feel like going over for each team and each scenario. My main point is that the Knicks will be major players because they are real buyers and some teams are going to be playing defense and others aren't really looking to build thru Free Agency like the Knicks.

Agreed. I wasn't trying to sound critical. I just wanted to know what amount you used for the draft pick ... did you use the #1 pick rookie scale contract or the #4? The only benefit we get to falling in the draft is more cap space. So, if you are indifferent between the top 4 players, you might hope for the 4 pick. As much as I want Towns, Russell with the 4 pick would be a steal -- if it played out that way.

EG, if I were the Knicks--I'd absolutely look at Timmy Hardaway's and Jose Calderon's contracts as a way to increase our salary cap$ by trading TH for a future #2 pick and simply waiving Calderon and stretching his contract. That is actually 5.6mm more we could increase. I'm a big disbeliever in Calderon and while Hardaway could still be developing--he seems to be going south instead of north. Nothing I couldnt get from the D league. He's too inconsistent for my taste.

I agree on Hardaway. I want to believe that JC's 43% from 3pt is worth something. I know you are quite down on him, injuries aside, I think he can be effective -- if only to get the ball up the court and then spread the floor on offense. Defensively, well..might be JC's defensive flaws will overwhelm his usefulness. The problem is that this waiving issue must happen in the offseason to create any tangible benefit to the Knicks. That doesn't leave a lot of time to see if he can be effective. But, if I stretch him and give Shveddy the saved dollars, I might be better off.

Calderon's 43% is worth about the same as Novak's 43%. Calderon just isnt a good player, never has been, never will be. You have to add more to a team than just timely shooting. Calderon is a specialist, an overpaid one at that. his value is zero.

I disagree. I think that he has a lot of value for a team that drives and knicks.

The triangle and our players is the worst scenario for his skill set.