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H1AND1
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4/9/2015  3:18 PM
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Knicks1969 wrote:With time you will all think differently of Larkin. In college he was a hell of a shooter. this was his rookie season; please keep that in mind
he played in 50 games last year and stunk then also. He's not an NBA player

Exactly. He was a shooter in college because he played against competition that wasn't as tall/athletic/agile etc. He could get his shot off because as a borderline NBA talent he was better than 90% of all the other college players. The jump between college and the pros is huge. I think that is forgotten a lot. Against NBA defenses a guy who isnt 6 feet tall is going to have a very difficult time unless he is off the charts freakishly talented and athletic.

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4/9/2015  3:23 PM
H1AND1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:With time you will all think differently of Larkin. In college he was a hell of a shooter. this was his rookie season; please keep that in mind
he played in 50 games last year and stunk then also. He's not an NBA player

Exactly. He was a shooter in college because he played against competition that wasn't as tall/athletic/agile etc. He could get his shot off because as a borderline NBA talent he was better than 90% of all the other college players. The jump between college and the pros is huge. I think that is forgotten a lot. Against NBA defenses a guy who isnt 6 feet tall is going to have a very difficult time unless he is off the charts freakishly talented and athletic.

exactly. the NBA isn't college.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/9/2015  3:25 PM
Agreed. I dont believe Phil was delusional, he thought that a relatively healthy roster would get us to the playoffs, but we werent going to contend. We didnt even come close to having a healthy roster, again. Throw in JR and Shump not doing well in the triangle.

Phil realized that it was better to push the stick down, crash this bird, and start all over. Better that than a hail mary trade, damn the cap implications, to get us into the playoffs.

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Bonn1997 wrote:Kudos to Phil for not compounding the problems from the bad Tyson trade!
I'll give you credit for trying hard to find something to praise Phil for

if next year is as bad as this year... I will be clamoring for the firing squad. He will have proven himself to be someone that is just cashing paychecks... I am willing to trust him until that point though

Really just here cashing a paycheck??? Sounds like splats crap. You might say Phil isn't doing a good job but do you really think Phil doesn't care about this job or his reputation? We don't know Phil personally but everything you ever read about Phil is his integrity , work ethic and his credibility. Attack him professionally don't attack him personally.

if you look at all the words that I typed, you will see that I trust his plan, as of right now. If next year plays out as poorly as next year then I think it is more than fair to judge him on a complete lack of production. Let's be real -- this year was a ****ing joke. I have faith that this was by design in order to get a great pick in a loaded draft... but that doesn't change the fact that this year was a joke and it would take an insanely great offseason to have a good-to-great year next year.

We all know that this was NOT by design.

I don't buy that. They blew the team up and didn't ask for much in return. I think Phil got folks like you to buy the propaganda so that Jimmy D could sell his tickets and the Knicks could get a decent pick in a loaded draft. Maybe I'm wrong but I am not someone that believe what they print in Newsday

this is not from Newsday. This is from Phils mouth.

C'mon man ... its obvious that the season did not start with the intention to tank. Nobody thinks that.

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4/9/2015  3:35 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Agreed. I dont believe Phil was delusional, he thought that a relatively healthy roster would get us to the playoffs, but we werent going to contend. We didnt even come close to having a healthy roster, again. Throw in JR and Shump not doing well in the triangle.

Phil realized that it was better to push the stick down, crash this bird, and start all over. Better that than a hail mary trade, damn the cap implications, to get us into the playoffs.

This is what I believe 100%. The upside for this roster is these guys in contract years bounce back and play hard for new contracts and this is a playoff team. When that wasnt going to happen the above did. I totally agree
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4/10/2015  8:33 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Agreed. I dont believe Phil was delusional, he thought that a relatively healthy roster would get us to the playoffs, but we werent going to contend. We didnt even come close to having a healthy roster, again. Throw in JR and Shump not doing well in the triangle.

Phil realized that it was better to push the stick down, crash this bird, and start all over. Better that than a hail mary trade, damn the cap implications, to get us into the playoffs.

+1
Some of the same people who beeyatched the past 4 years about starphucquing and not developing yoots are now the same people firing Phil because he didn't manage to do that to salvage a season.

We had better upside to at least make the playoffs this season then we did with the 54 win geriatric miracle year. Who the eff knew the old Haitian Sensation was going to be out of the league by January? That sharpshooting Jose wouldn't be on the court for more than 15 minutes?

Just please Phil, translate Barg's end of this season into a draft pick.

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4/10/2015  10:22 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/10/2015  10:23 AM
Two things seem pretty obvious to me.

1 - Phil intended to put together a good team for this year but every off-season decision failed.
2 - We were very far from the playoffs very quickly and it was clear there was no way to salvage the season. So Phil decided to tank.

Also, we were so far out so quickly that I doubt any human on this planet would have tried to save the season. Has any GM in the history of the game ever tried to salvage a season where the team was 4-20 and then 5-36?

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4/10/2015  4:33 PM
No, Dolan would never think of doing something like that.


Bonn1997 wrote:Two things seem pretty obvious to me.

1 - Phil intended to put together a good team for this year but every off-season decision failed.
2 - We were very far from the playoffs very quickly and it was clear there was no way to salvage the season. So Phil decided to tank.

Also, we were so far out so quickly that I doubt any human on this planet would have tried to save the season. Has any GM in the history of the game ever tried to salvage a season where the team was 4-20 and then 5-36?

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4/10/2015  4:50 PM
GustavBahler wrote:No, Dolan would never think of doing something like that.


Bonn1997 wrote:Two things seem pretty obvious to me.

1 - Phil intended to put together a good team for this year but every off-season decision failed.
2 - We were very far from the playoffs very quickly and it was clear there was no way to salvage the season. So Phil decided to tank.

Also, we were so far out so quickly that I doubt any human on this planet would have tried to save the season. Has any GM in the history of the game ever tried to salvage a season where the team was 4-20 and then 5-36?

I could easily see Dolan thinking he could make a move to get the team back in the playoff hunt at that point. The East really wasn't that strong and the Knicks were originally losing a lot of close games as fisher mentioned the team was 6-21 in games decided by 6 or fewer points. So I could see Dolan of the past thinking he could make some trade and get the team winning enough to sneak into the playoffs.

All that matters is that Phil did the right thing and flushed it so we are in the position we're in now. Heck we're still barely holding on to the top lottery ball spot. Just imagine if they did anything to improve the team they could easily have fallen back behind Minny and Philly with a few more wins.

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4/10/2015  5:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/10/2015  5:08 PM
LOL Nix, I was being sarcastic. That's why this change of direction was so welcome. I give Phil credit for convincing Dolan to back off.

nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:No, Dolan would never think of doing something like that.


Bonn1997 wrote:Two things seem pretty obvious to me.

1 - Phil intended to put together a good team for this year but every off-season decision failed.
2 - We were very far from the playoffs very quickly and it was clear there was no way to salvage the season. So Phil decided to tank.

Also, we were so far out so quickly that I doubt any human on this planet would have tried to save the season. Has any GM in the history of the game ever tried to salvage a season where the team was 4-20 and then 5-36?

I could easily see Dolan thinking he could make a move to get the team back in the playoff hunt at that point. The East really wasn't that strong and the Knicks were originally losing a lot of close games as fisher mentioned the team was 6-21 in games decided by 6 or fewer points. So I could see Dolan of the past thinking he could make some trade and get the team winning enough to sneak into the playoffs.

All that matters is that Phil did the right thing and flushed it so we are in the position we're in now. Heck we're still barely holding on to the top lottery ball spot. Just imagine if they did anything to improve the team they could easily have fallen back behind Minny and Philly with a few more wins.

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4/11/2015  6:35 PM
I choose to believe that it was a full on tank from day 1, makes it easier to handle lol
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4/11/2015  10:36 PM
I like the Larkin, I think it was a mistake not to pick up his option as it is peanuts

I also liked Iman, Wroten, Darko Milic, Draymond Green, Rudy Gay


When they were FA's and some vet mins

Carroll (when he was a FA b4 Atlanta), James Johnson, Gereld Green, Brandon Wright


I have been saying Ajincia should be our #1 realistic target as he is a UFA and for RFA, Kawaii Leanard and Draymond Green *if we can move CA*

I would not mind trading future 1st rounders to move up in the draft if we were able to move CA and plan B would be Millsap

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4/13/2015  8:16 AM
RonRon wrote:I like the Larkin, I think it was a mistake not to pick up his option as it is peanuts

I also liked Iman, Wroten, Darko Milic, Draymond Green, Rudy Gay


When they were FA's and some vet mins

Carroll (when he was a FA b4 Atlanta), James Johnson, Gereld Green, Brandon Wright


I have been saying Ajincia should be our #1 realistic target as he is a UFA and for RFA, Kawaii Leanard and Draymond Green *if we can move CA*

I would not mind trading future 1st rounders to move up in the draft if we were able to move CA and plan B would be Millsap

you channeling your inner F5000NE?

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