smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:why would any of them have a better chance of draft busting then another?

because some are worse decision makers than others

Really hard to predict this unless a GM has a history of reaching and failing.

You really don't think you can infer anything about a GM's thinking from his trades and signings that would be relevant to drafting?

I guess if they have a history of being old school and relying on old school methodologies such as eye tests and triangles.

A guy like David Kahn who was nontraditional and thought he was a genius was a good example of a bust candidate.

Did you look at the data for the guys you mentioned and how their picks turned out? P

hil has never picked anyone so do you assume that his inexperience may make him more susceptible to a bust?

Where are you going with this? What is your thought process?

So many people are talking about how thankful we should be that we had this bad year. I just wanted to get a sense of how widespread the denial of the possibility that this whole year was wasted is.

Please post your free agent targets and who you'd draft, so further down the line we can compare your judgement to Phil's. And none of that 'oh I already have somewhere in the past' - time to man up!

It depends on the price. There are about 300 players in the league who could be good or bad depending on the price. I've talked about some guys I'd eagerly contact like Butler, Millsap, Dragic, Wright, Greene but I have no idea what contract they'd accept.
In the draft, I think the order of the top 3 is a crapshoot but the top 3 are obvious.

I think we will go after milsap- I think we'd love Butler but he ain't leaving Chicago unfortunately. Has Dragic's performance in miami not concerned you (in regards to a max)? I was looking forward to seeing how he did, but he's been a bit subdued. Green also won't be available, unfortunately. How about Danny Green?

Dragic's #s look OK in Miami but I think the max is too much for him. 12 mil per would be perfect. Most likely we won't be able to get him though. We're probably going to have just make small deals this summer and gradually rebuild, because I think we'd have to overpay the big name players.

So your plan this off-season is to target players that essentially are unavailable (because they're restricted or their team has bird rights) and do so by offering them less than their market value? Think you might need to go back to the drawing board with that one Bonn!

Every team will have their free agents Bird Right's, so that is a moot point. It's a major reason that I never believed in the idea of building a team through free agency unless you are making deals that bring back picks.

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:why would any of them have a better chance of draft busting then another?

because some are worse decision makers than others

Really hard to predict this unless a GM has a history of reaching and failing.

You really don't think you can infer anything about a GM's thinking from his trades and signings that would be relevant to drafting?

I guess if they have a history of being old school and relying on old school methodologies such as eye tests and triangles.

A guy like David Kahn who was nontraditional and thought he was a genius was a good example of a bust candidate.

Did you look at the data for the guys you mentioned and how their picks turned out? P

hil has never picked anyone so do you assume that his inexperience may make him more susceptible to a bust?

Where are you going with this? What is your thought process?

So many people are talking about how thankful we should be that we had this bad year. I just wanted to get a sense of how widespread the denial of the possibility that this whole year was wasted is.

Please post your free agent targets and who you'd draft, so further down the line we can compare your judgement to Phil's. And none of that 'oh I already have somewhere in the past' - time to man up!

It depends on the price. There are about 300 players in the league who could be good or bad depending on the price. I've talked about some guys I'd eagerly contact like Butler, Millsap, Dragic, Wright, Greene but I have no idea what contract they'd accept.
In the draft, I think the order of the top 3 is a crapshoot but the top 3 are obvious.

I think we will go after milsap- I think we'd love Butler but he ain't leaving Chicago unfortunately. Has Dragic's performance in miami not concerned you (in regards to a max)? I was looking forward to seeing how he did, but he's been a bit subdued. Green also won't be available, unfortunately. How about Danny Green?

Dragic's #s look OK in Miami but I think the max is too much for him. 12 mil per would be perfect. Most likely we won't be able to get him though. We're probably going to have just make small deals this summer and gradually rebuild, because I think we'd have to overpay the big name players.

So your plan this off-season is to target players that essentially are unavailable (because they're restricted or their team has bird rights) and do so by offering them less than their market value? Think you might need to go back to the drawing board with that one Bonn!

No. I just said there are about 300 players who could be good depending on the price. The philosophy underlying the decisions you make is much more worthy of discussion than throwing a few names around of players who may or may not ever have any interest in coming here.

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Did Hinkie draft MCW? That does not bode well.

you mean the rookie of the year that he just flipped for the lakers #1?

bust?

He went from rookie of the year to being considered garbage- Hinkie basically gave up on him- got great value back, but if he messes up that lakers pick then what's the point? That's what I meant by saying it's not just what picks you have, but what you do with them.

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Did Hinkie draft MCW? That does not bode well.

you mean the rookie of the year that he just flipped for the lakers #1?

bust?

He went from rookie of the year to being considered garbage- Hinkie basically gave up on him- got great value back, but if he messes up that lakers pick then what's the point? That's what I meant by saying it's not just what picks you have, but what you do with them.

was wiggins a draft bust for Cleveland?

the MCW pick was obviously an excellent pick. Your comment about it not being one was way off.

Wiggins was traded for Love to satisfy LeBron, as well you know. Have you watched MCW this year? 76er fans and Bucks fans have turned on him quickly. I wouldn't write him off yet, but if he was so good why trade him? It's still early to judge Hinkie either way, to be fair- I'm interested to see how embiid and his other picks turn out.

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Did Hinkie draft MCW? That does not bode well.

you mean the rookie of the year that he just flipped for the lakers #1?

bust?

He went from rookie of the year to being considered garbage- Hinkie basically gave up on him- got great value back, but if he messes up that lakers pick then what's the point? That's what I meant by saying it's not just what picks you have, but what you do with them.

was wiggins a draft bust for Cleveland?

the MCW pick was obviously an excellent pick. Your comment about it not being one was way off.

Wigginton was traded for Love to satisfy LeBron, as well you know. Have you watched MCW this year? 76er fans and Bucks fans have turned on him quickly. I wouldn't write him off yet, but if he was so good why trade him? It's still early to judge Hinkie either way, to be fair- I'm interested to see how embiid and his other picks turn out.

see where they picked him and the value that they got for him.

Depends who they draft!