TripleThreat wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:I Am Sick Of Optimistic Knick Fans!

Who are we kidding here? Your frustration is directed at nixluva. Who I can see would grind a lot of peoples hides with his basic condescension and passive aggressive behavior, then trying to retreat back into claiming it's all optimism and anyone who disagrees with him is a hater.

I used to work with a guy who has a chronically bad back. He said in the morning and when it was cold in the winter, it was the worst because his back would stiffen up and he couldn't move very well. He said during the mornings, when he would go take a dump, that it would be so cold and his back was so out of whack that he couldn't turn enough and reach around an wipe after a dump.

That feeling right there, cold, tired, your ass full of ****, and realizing with your pants around your ankles that you can't wrench yourself enough to even wipe yourself like you were 2 year old again, I imagine that is what it's like to see a nixluva typical post over and over again.

Best answer? You can't reason with a terrorist or someone with a terrorist mentality. And that's what nixluva is, a smiling terrorist. Immune to reason. Just there to be subversive under the guise of some other agenda. Splat was wrong about the agenda, but not wrong about the methodology.

If you want reason for hope, then I say don't rest it on Melo or Phil Jackson or some lottery pick.

Have "hope" for Adam Silver. Silver has improved officiating by leaps and bounds the past year. He's pushed for lottery reform. He's discussed sweeping logical changes to make the game more competitive. During the impending lockout, it appears he sees the interest by fans and profitability to modeling the league after the NFL and, to some degree, the MLB model. More player movement, fast rebuilds, more mechanisms to improve, more built in market inefficiencies to exploit.

I don't have faith in Dolan, nor Melo nor Zen Master. But I have faith in Silver. More mechanisms for future change would allow the Knicks to a chance to avoid the treadmill pitfall they are currently headed in now.

The KC Royals in the past World Series was good for KC, it was good for baseball in general, and it was good for profitability and fan interest. MLB sees this, I believe Adam Silver sees this too. Changes are coming from a league perspective and if the Knicks can be smart and take advantage of these changes, I think there is reason for more hope than the traditional "tank and rebuild" model that's killing the current league.

If no one in this organization gives you hope, why would anything Silver does change that? It's still Dolan at the top and Phil as the GM (or Dolan's next selection as the GM), and Melo at almost 25 mil per.
Regarding your initial comments, I think Nix might have been at the top of the list of posters he's referring to but not the only poster.

TripleThreat wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:I Am Sick Of Optimistic Knick Fans!

Who are we kidding here? Your frustration is directed at nixluva. Who I can see would grind a lot of peoples hides with his basic condescension and passive aggressive behavior, then trying to retreat back into claiming it's all optimism and anyone who disagrees with him is a hater.

I used to work with a guy who has a chronically bad back. He said in the morning and when it was cold in the winter, it was the worst because his back would stiffen up and he couldn't move very well. He said during the mornings, when he would go take a dump, that it would be so cold and his back was so out of whack that he couldn't turn enough and reach around an wipe after a dump.

That feeling right there, cold, tired, your ass full of ****, and realizing with your pants around your ankles that you can't wrench yourself enough to even wipe yourself like you were 2 year old again, I imagine that is what it's like to see a nixluva typical post over and over again.

Best answer? You can't reason with a terrorist or someone with a terrorist mentality. And that's what nixluva is, a smiling terrorist. Immune to reason. Just there to be subversive under the guise of some other agenda. Splat was wrong about the agenda, but not wrong about the methodology.

If you want reason for hope, then I say don't rest it on Melo or Phil Jackson or some lottery pick.

Have "hope" for Adam Silver. Silver has improved officiating by leaps and bounds the past year. He's pushed for lottery reform. He's discussed sweeping logical changes to make the game more competitive. During the impending lockout, it appears he sees the interest by fans and profitability to modeling the league after the NFL and, to some degree, the MLB model. More player movement, fast rebuilds, more mechanisms to improve, more built in market inefficiencies to exploit.

I don't have faith in Dolan, nor Melo nor Zen Master. But I have faith in Silver. More mechanisms for future change would allow the Knicks to a chance to avoid the treadmill pitfall they are currently headed in now.

The KC Royals in the past World Series was good for KC, it was good for baseball in general, and it was good for profitability and fan interest. MLB sees this, I believe Adam Silver sees this too. Changes are coming from a league perspective and if the Knicks can be smart and take advantage of these changes, I think there is reason for more hope than the traditional "tank and rebuild" model that's killing the current league.

I am all for this! Guaranteed contracts ruin the game!

gunsnewing wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:I Am Sick Of Optimistic Knick Fans!

Who are we kidding here? Your frustration is directed at nixluva. Who I can see would grind a lot of peoples hides with his basic condescension and passive aggressive behavior, then trying to retreat back into claiming it's all optimism and anyone who disagrees with him is a hater.

I used to work with a guy who has a chronically bad back. He said in the morning and when it was cold in the winter, it was the worst because his back would stiffen up and he couldn't move very well. He said during the mornings, when he would go take a dump, that it would be so cold and his back was so out of whack that he couldn't turn enough and reach around an wipe after a dump.

That feeling right there, cold, tired, your ass full of ****, and realizing with your pants around your ankles that you can't wrench yourself enough to even wipe yourself like you were 2 year old again, I imagine that is what it's like to see a nixluva typical post over and over again.

Best answer? You can't reason with a terrorist or someone with a terrorist mentality. And that's what nixluva is, a smiling terrorist. Immune to reason. Just there to be subversive under the guise of some other agenda. Splat was wrong about the agenda, but not wrong about the methodology.

If you want reason for hope, then I say don't rest it on Melo or Phil Jackson or some lottery pick.

Have "hope" for Adam Silver. Silver has improved officiating by leaps and bounds the past year. He's pushed for lottery reform. He's discussed sweeping logical changes to make the game more competitive. During the impending lockout, it appears he sees the interest by fans and profitability to modeling the league after the NFL and, to some degree, the MLB model. More player movement, fast rebuilds, more mechanisms to improve, more built in market inefficiencies to exploit.

I don't have faith in Dolan, nor Melo nor Zen Master. But I have faith in Silver. More mechanisms for future change would allow the Knicks to a chance to avoid the treadmill pitfall they are currently headed in now.

The KC Royals in the past World Series was good for KC, it was good for baseball in general, and it was good for profitability and fan interest. MLB sees this, I believe Adam Silver sees this too. Changes are coming from a league perspective and if the Knicks can be smart and take advantage of these changes, I think there is reason for more hope than the traditional "tank and rebuild" model that's killing the current league.

I am all for this! Guaranteed contracts ruin the game!

NBA players have an extremely rare skill and put their bodies on the line in a way very few humans do - all while generating unimaginable amounts of wealth for the owners. I am happy to see the players have guaranteed contracts. I would love to see far more amnesty clauses and ways to remove the salary from the team's cap, though.

smackeddog wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:I Am Sick Of Optimistic Knick Fans!

Who are we kidding here? Your frustration is directed at nixluva. Who I can see would grind a lot of peoples hides with his basic condescension and passive aggressive behavior, then trying to retreat back into claiming it's all optimism and anyone who disagrees with him is a hater.

I used to work with a guy who has a chronically bad back. He said in the morning and when it was cold in the winter, it was the worst because his back would stiffen up and he couldn't move very well. He said during the mornings, when he would go take a dump, that it would be so cold and his back was so out of whack that he couldn't turn enough and reach around an wipe after a dump.

That feeling right there, cold, tired, your ass full of ****, and realizing with your pants around your ankles that you can't wrench yourself enough to even wipe yourself like you were 2 year old again, I imagine that is what it's like to see a nixluva typical post over and over again.

Best answer? You can't reason with a terrorist or someone with a terrorist mentality. And that's what nixluva is, a smiling terrorist. Immune to reason. Just there to be subversive under the guise of some other agenda. Splat was wrong about the agenda, but not wrong about the methodology.

If you want reason for hope, then I say don't rest it on Melo or Phil Jackson or some lottery pick.

Have "hope" for Adam Silver. Silver has improved officiating by leaps and bounds the past year. He's pushed for lottery reform. He's discussed sweeping logical changes to make the game more competitive. During the impending lockout, it appears he sees the interest by fans and profitability to modeling the league after the NFL and, to some degree, the MLB model. More player movement, fast rebuilds, more mechanisms to improve, more built in market inefficiencies to exploit.

I don't have faith in Dolan, nor Melo nor Zen Master. But I have faith in Silver. More mechanisms for future change would allow the Knicks to a chance to avoid the treadmill pitfall they are currently headed in now.

The KC Royals in the past World Series was good for KC, it was good for baseball in general, and it was good for profitability and fan interest. MLB sees this, I believe Adam Silver sees this too. Changes are coming from a league perspective and if the Knicks can be smart and take advantage of these changes, I think there is reason for more hope than the traditional "tank and rebuild" model that's killing the current league.

Your posts are disgusting- does anyone actually enjoy reading them? What is your purpose when you post your race rants and blow job and toilet metaphors?

"Terrorist" is over the top but, yes, I enjoy the immense, careful thought that TT puts into his basketball analysis.

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:I Am Sick Of Optimistic Knick Fans!

Who are we kidding here? Your frustration is directed at nixluva. Who I can see would grind a lot of peoples hides with his basic condescension and passive aggressive behavior, then trying to retreat back into claiming it's all optimism and anyone who disagrees with him is a hater.

I used to work with a guy who has a chronically bad back. He said in the morning and when it was cold in the winter, it was the worst because his back would stiffen up and he couldn't move very well. He said during the mornings, when he would go take a dump, that it would be so cold and his back was so out of whack that he couldn't turn enough and reach around an wipe after a dump.

That feeling right there, cold, tired, your ass full of ****, and realizing with your pants around your ankles that you can't wrench yourself enough to even wipe yourself like you were 2 year old again, I imagine that is what it's like to see a nixluva typical post over and over again.

Best answer? You can't reason with a terrorist or someone with a terrorist mentality. And that's what nixluva is, a smiling terrorist. Immune to reason. Just there to be subversive under the guise of some other agenda. Splat was wrong about the agenda, but not wrong about the methodology.

If you want reason for hope, then I say don't rest it on Melo or Phil Jackson or some lottery pick.

Have "hope" for Adam Silver. Silver has improved officiating by leaps and bounds the past year. He's pushed for lottery reform. He's discussed sweeping logical changes to make the game more competitive. During the impending lockout, it appears he sees the interest by fans and profitability to modeling the league after the NFL and, to some degree, the MLB model. More player movement, fast rebuilds, more mechanisms to improve, more built in market inefficiencies to exploit.

I don't have faith in Dolan, nor Melo nor Zen Master. But I have faith in Silver. More mechanisms for future change would allow the Knicks to a chance to avoid the treadmill pitfall they are currently headed in now.

The KC Royals in the past World Series was good for KC, it was good for baseball in general, and it was good for profitability and fan interest. MLB sees this, I believe Adam Silver sees this too. Changes are coming from a league perspective and if the Knicks can be smart and take advantage of these changes, I think there is reason for more hope than the traditional "tank and rebuild" model that's killing the current league.

Your posts are disgusting- does anyone actually enjoy reading them? What is your purpose when you post your race rants and blow job and toilet metaphors?

"Terrorist" is over the top but, yes, I enjoy the immense, careful thought that TT puts into his basketball analysis.

Hmm, you must have missed those rants from last week

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Hawks aren't sexy names but they fit together in such a way that they are very successful...

I am not looking for the sexy names. Your example of Atlanta is spot on. But you are missing another point. Atlanta was a playoff team last year, not a 14 win team. It didn't take them much to get to where they are now.

On the other hand, we SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have lost 61 games!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is going to take a core of guys like Atlanta has, plus the sexy big name free agents, plus a franchise changing young draft pick, plus a veteran coach to move us away from a 14 win season. We need soooooo much. You think that's all going to happen by October?

We are well f..cked for next year and the next year. Three seasons of sad basketball in the best city on Earth. We deserve better.

Bingo. It took Atlanta many years to build to this point. We can't wait for Melo's 15th season or later.
Now if the team is trading Melo for cap space (and in a dream scenario more assets too) and doing a real rebuild, that would be wonderful. We'd have the time to do a real rebuild and develop a long-term contender.

The Hawks basically rebuilt around Teague and Horford in just a 2 yr period. The Hawks didn't add big names in order to put together a winning team. They signed Korver and then the next year they added Millsap, Carroll and Schroder. That's their top 6 players right there. It wasn't some long drawn out process. The Knicks will go into this off season with a similar process. We have Melo, Draft Pick and a few Free Agents that should be added this summer. At the end of the process they should have a much improved top 6 rotation.

Rk Player	    Age	G  GS	MP	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
1  Paul Millsap	    29	65 65	33.0	8.0	3.0	1.7	0.9	2.4	2.8	16.9
2  Kyle Korver	    33	64 64	32.7	4.1	2.5	0.7	0.5	1.5	1.9	12.4
3  DeMarre Carroll  28	58 57	31.4	5.3	1.6	1.3	0.2	0.9	2.3	12.1
4  Jeff Teague	    26	62 61	31.0	2.4	7.1	1.7	0.5	2.8	2.0	16.6
5  Al Horford	    28	64 64	30.8	7.4	3.3	0.9	1.3	1.3	1.6	15.2
6  Dennis Schroder  21	66 7	19.4	2.0	4.0	0.7	0.0	1.9	1.7	9.4
7  Thabo Sefolosha  30	45 7	19.0	4.3	1.5	1.0	0.5	0.7	1.3	5.1
8  Kent Bazemore    25	61 7	17.1	2.9	1.0	0.7	0.5	1.0	1.7	5.0
9  Pero Antic	    32	52 3	16.3	3.0	0.8	0.2	0.3	0.8	2.1	5.3
10 Mike Scott	    26	62 0	15.8	2.7	1.0	0.3	0.0	0.5	1.1	7.5
11 Shelvin Mack	    24	42 0	14.2	1.3	2.5	0.5	0.0	0.9	0.6	5.3
12 Elton Brand	    35	26 2	13.8	3.2	0.6	0.5	0.8	0.4	1.7	2.7
13 John Jenkins	    23	17 1	11.0	1.7	0.4	0.2	0.0	0.4	0.6	4.9
14 Mike Muscala	    23	26 2	9.1	2.4	0.3	0.2	0.5	0.3	0.9	3.6
15 Adreian Payne    23	3  0	6.3	1.3	0.0	0.3	0.0	0.0	1.3	1.7

There's no way to know for sure who the Knicks will sign in Free Agency, but just some of the options could be:

PLAYER	                
1  Carmelo Anthony
2  Alexey Shved
3  Karl A Towns/Jahlil Okafor/D'Angelo Russell/Emmanuel Mudiay?	
4  Greg Monroe/Robin Lopez/Paul Millsap?
5  Danny Green/Wesley Matthews/DeMarre Carroll?
6  Langston Galloway
7  Thanasis Antetokounmpo?
8  Andrea Bargnani?/Alexis Ajinca?
9  Jose Calderon?	
10 Tim Hardaway Jr.
11 Cleanthony Early	
A few of these guys could fill out the bench.
Cole Aldrich
Ricky Ledo
Lou Amundson	
Lance Thomas
Jason Smith     
Shane Larkin
Quincy Acy     
Travis Wear

But we don't have a Teague or Horford already.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Hawks aren't sexy names but they fit together in such a way that they are very successful...

I am not looking for the sexy names. Your example of Atlanta is spot on. But you are missing another point. Atlanta was a playoff team last year, not a 14 win team. It didn't take them much to get to where they are now.

On the other hand, we SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have lost 61 games!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is going to take a core of guys like Atlanta has, plus the sexy big name free agents, plus a franchise changing young draft pick, plus a veteran coach to move us away from a 14 win season. We need soooooo much. You think that's all going to happen by October?

We are well f..cked for next year and the next year. Three seasons of sad basketball in the best city on Earth. We deserve better.

Bingo. It took Atlanta many years to build to this point. We can't wait for Melo's 15th season or later.
Now if the team is trading Melo for cap space (and in a dream scenario more assets too) and doing a real rebuild, that would be wonderful. We'd have the time to do a real rebuild and develop a long-term contender.

The Hawks basically rebuilt around Teague and Horford in just a 2 yr period. The Hawks didn't add big names in order to put together a winning team. They signed Korver and then the next year they added Millsap, Carroll and Schroder. That's their top 6 players right there. It wasn't some long drawn out process. The Knicks will go into this off season with a similar process. We have Melo, Draft Pick and a few Free Agents that should be added this summer. At the end of the process they should have a much improved top 6 rotation.

Rk Player	    Age	G  GS	MP	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
1  Paul Millsap	    29	65 65	33.0	8.0	3.0	1.7	0.9	2.4	2.8	16.9
2  Kyle Korver	    33	64 64	32.7	4.1	2.5	0.7	0.5	1.5	1.9	12.4
3  DeMarre Carroll  28	58 57	31.4	5.3	1.6	1.3	0.2	0.9	2.3	12.1
4  Jeff Teague	    26	62 61	31.0	2.4	7.1	1.7	0.5	2.8	2.0	16.6
5  Al Horford	    28	64 64	30.8	7.4	3.3	0.9	1.3	1.3	1.6	15.2
6  Dennis Schroder  21	66 7	19.4	2.0	4.0	0.7	0.0	1.9	1.7	9.4
7  Thabo Sefolosha  30	45 7	19.0	4.3	1.5	1.0	0.5	0.7	1.3	5.1
8  Kent Bazemore    25	61 7	17.1	2.9	1.0	0.7	0.5	1.0	1.7	5.0
9  Pero Antic	    32	52 3	16.3	3.0	0.8	0.2	0.3	0.8	2.1	5.3
10 Mike Scott	    26	62 0	15.8	2.7	1.0	0.3	0.0	0.5	1.1	7.5
11 Shelvin Mack	    24	42 0	14.2	1.3	2.5	0.5	0.0	0.9	0.6	5.3
12 Elton Brand	    35	26 2	13.8	3.2	0.6	0.5	0.8	0.4	1.7	2.7
13 John Jenkins	    23	17 1	11.0	1.7	0.4	0.2	0.0	0.4	0.6	4.9
14 Mike Muscala	    23	26 2	9.1	2.4	0.3	0.2	0.5	0.3	0.9	3.6
15 Adreian Payne    23	3  0	6.3	1.3	0.0	0.3	0.0	0.0	1.3	1.7

There's no way to know for sure who the Knicks will sign in Free Agency, but just some of the options could be:

PLAYER	                
1  Carmelo Anthony
2  Alexey Shved
3  Karl A Towns/Jahlil Okafor/D'Angelo Russell/Emmanuel Mudiay?	
4  Greg Monroe/Robin Lopez/Paul Millsap?
5  Danny Green/Wesley Matthews/DeMarre Carroll?
6  Langston Galloway
7  Thanasis Antetokounmpo?
8  Andrea Bargnani?/Alexis Ajinca?
9  Jose Calderon?	
10 Tim Hardaway Jr.
11 Cleanthony Early	
A few of these guys could fill out the bench.
Cole Aldrich
Ricky Ledo
Lou Amundson	
Lance Thomas
Jason Smith     
Shane Larkin
Quincy Acy     
Travis Wear

But we don't have a Teague or Horford already.

The Knicks have to not only bring in talent but must continue to develop talent as well. The combination should allow them to put together a very competitive team. The signs are there for this process beginning already. It's not quite the farm system the Spurs have. Not by a long shot, but they have to start somewhere. Fans have to use their eyes and ears to see what the Knicks are trying to establish here. It's not very impressive looking right now, but the are trying to build a better organization. One that can develop talent and not just bring in free agents to solve all the problems. That's going to take time and hard work.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Hawks aren't sexy names but they fit together in such a way that they are very successful...

I am not looking for the sexy names. Your example of Atlanta is spot on. But you are missing another point. Atlanta was a playoff team last year, not a 14 win team. It didn't take them much to get to where they are now.

On the other hand, we SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have lost 61 games!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is going to take a core of guys like Atlanta has, plus the sexy big name free agents, plus a franchise changing young draft pick, plus a veteran coach to move us away from a 14 win season. We need soooooo much. You think that's all going to happen by October?

We are well f..cked for next year and the next year. Three seasons of sad basketball in the best city on Earth. We deserve better.

Bingo. It took Atlanta many years to build to this point. We can't wait for Melo's 15th season or later.
Now if the team is trading Melo for cap space (and in a dream scenario more assets too) and doing a real rebuild, that would be wonderful. We'd have the time to do a real rebuild and develop a long-term contender.

The Hawks basically rebuilt around Teague and Horford in just a 2 yr period. The Hawks didn't add big names in order to put together a winning team. They signed Korver and then the next year they added Millsap, Carroll and Schroder. That's their top 6 players right there. It wasn't some long drawn out process. The Knicks will go into this off season with a similar process. We have Melo, Draft Pick and a few Free Agents that should be added this summer. At the end of the process they should have a much improved top 6 rotation.

Rk Player	    Age	G  GS	MP	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
1  Paul Millsap	    29	65 65	33.0	8.0	3.0	1.7	0.9	2.4	2.8	16.9
2  Kyle Korver	    33	64 64	32.7	4.1	2.5	0.7	0.5	1.5	1.9	12.4
3  DeMarre Carroll  28	58 57	31.4	5.3	1.6	1.3	0.2	0.9	2.3	12.1
4  Jeff Teague	    26	62 61	31.0	2.4	7.1	1.7	0.5	2.8	2.0	16.6
5  Al Horford	    28	64 64	30.8	7.4	3.3	0.9	1.3	1.3	1.6	15.2
6  Dennis Schroder  21	66 7	19.4	2.0	4.0	0.7	0.0	1.9	1.7	9.4
7  Thabo Sefolosha  30	45 7	19.0	4.3	1.5	1.0	0.5	0.7	1.3	5.1
8  Kent Bazemore    25	61 7	17.1	2.9	1.0	0.7	0.5	1.0	1.7	5.0
9  Pero Antic	    32	52 3	16.3	3.0	0.8	0.2	0.3	0.8	2.1	5.3
10 Mike Scott	    26	62 0	15.8	2.7	1.0	0.3	0.0	0.5	1.1	7.5
11 Shelvin Mack	    24	42 0	14.2	1.3	2.5	0.5	0.0	0.9	0.6	5.3
12 Elton Brand	    35	26 2	13.8	3.2	0.6	0.5	0.8	0.4	1.7	2.7
13 John Jenkins	    23	17 1	11.0	1.7	0.4	0.2	0.0	0.4	0.6	4.9
14 Mike Muscala	    23	26 2	9.1	2.4	0.3	0.2	0.5	0.3	0.9	3.6
15 Adreian Payne    23	3  0	6.3	1.3	0.0	0.3	0.0	0.0	1.3	1.7

There's no way to know for sure who the Knicks will sign in Free Agency, but just some of the options could be:

PLAYER	                
1  Carmelo Anthony
2  Alexey Shved
3  Karl A Towns/Jahlil Okafor/D'Angelo Russell/Emmanuel Mudiay?	
4  Greg Monroe/Robin Lopez/Paul Millsap?
5  Danny Green/Wesley Matthews/DeMarre Carroll?
6  Langston Galloway
7  Thanasis Antetokounmpo?
8  Andrea Bargnani?/Alexis Ajinca?
9  Jose Calderon?	
10 Tim Hardaway Jr.
11 Cleanthony Early	
A few of these guys could fill out the bench.
Cole Aldrich
Ricky Ledo
Lou Amundson	
Lance Thomas
Jason Smith     
Shane Larkin
Quincy Acy     
Travis Wear

But we don't have a Teague or Horford already.

That's what I would expect you to say. This isn't about matching the Hawks player for player. It's a general principle. Look at their roster and you can see that it's not one built on a few elite guys but rather a nice collection of high quality players. We have more spots to fill than the Hawks did, but we do have the means to fill those spots this summer as long as Phil and his staff make smart decisions. The Hawks didn't revamp the roster with unattainable players.

The Knicks have to not only bring in talent but must continue to develop talent as well. The combination should allow them to put together a very competitive team. The signs are there for this process beginning already. It's not quite the farm system the Spurs have. Not by a long shot, but they have to start somewhere. Fans have to use their eyes and ears to see what the Knicks are trying to establish here. It's not very impressive looking right now, but the are trying to build a better organization. One that can develop talent and not just bring in free agents to solve all the problems. That's going to take time and hard work.

are you sure you arent working for the knicks PR staff lol. Seriously thoygh im looking forward to thr draft and free agency

If this is true, where does Melo fit in this team? As far as I know he command and shoot the ball like an elite guy plus he makes MAX MONEY.

nixluva wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Hawks aren't sexy names but they fit together in such a way that they are very successful...

I am not looking for the sexy names. Your example of Atlanta is spot on. But you are missing another point. Atlanta was a playoff team last year, not a 14 win team. It didn't take them much to get to where they are now.

On the other hand, we SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have lost 61 games!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is going to take a core of guys like Atlanta has, plus the sexy big name free agents, plus a franchise changing young draft pick, plus a veteran coach to move us away from a 14 win season. We need soooooo much. You think that's all going to happen by October?

We are well f..cked for next year and the next year. Three seasons of sad basketball in the best city on Earth. We deserve better.

Bingo. It took Atlanta many years to build to this point. We can't wait for Melo's 15th season or later.
Now if the team is trading Melo for cap space (and in a dream scenario more assets too) and doing a real rebuild, that would be wonderful. We'd have the time to do a real rebuild and develop a long-term contender.

The Hawks basically rebuilt around Teague and Horford in just a 2 yr period. The Hawks didn't add big names in order to put together a winning team. They signed Korver and then the next year they added Millsap, Carroll and Schroder. That's their top 6 players right there. It wasn't some long drawn out process. The Knicks will go into this off season with a similar process. We have Melo, Draft Pick and a few Free Agents that should be added this summer. At the end of the process they should have a much improved top 6 rotation.

Rk Player	    Age	G  GS	MP	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
1  Paul Millsap	    29	65 65	33.0	8.0	3.0	1.7	0.9	2.4	2.8	16.9
2  Kyle Korver	    33	64 64	32.7	4.1	2.5	0.7	0.5	1.5	1.9	12.4
3  DeMarre Carroll  28	58 57	31.4	5.3	1.6	1.3	0.2	0.9	2.3	12.1
4  Jeff Teague	    26	62 61	31.0	2.4	7.1	1.7	0.5	2.8	2.0	16.6
5  Al Horford	    28	64 64	30.8	7.4	3.3	0.9	1.3	1.3	1.6	15.2
6  Dennis Schroder  21	66 7	19.4	2.0	4.0	0.7	0.0	1.9	1.7	9.4
7  Thabo Sefolosha  30	45 7	19.0	4.3	1.5	1.0	0.5	0.7	1.3	5.1
8  Kent Bazemore    25	61 7	17.1	2.9	1.0	0.7	0.5	1.0	1.7	5.0
9  Pero Antic	    32	52 3	16.3	3.0	0.8	0.2	0.3	0.8	2.1	5.3
10 Mike Scott	    26	62 0	15.8	2.7	1.0	0.3	0.0	0.5	1.1	7.5
11 Shelvin Mack	    24	42 0	14.2	1.3	2.5	0.5	0.0	0.9	0.6	5.3
12 Elton Brand	    35	26 2	13.8	3.2	0.6	0.5	0.8	0.4	1.7	2.7
13 John Jenkins	    23	17 1	11.0	1.7	0.4	0.2	0.0	0.4	0.6	4.9
14 Mike Muscala	    23	26 2	9.1	2.4	0.3	0.2	0.5	0.3	0.9	3.6
15 Adreian Payne    23	3  0	6.3	1.3	0.0	0.3	0.0	0.0	1.3	1.7

There's no way to know for sure who the Knicks will sign in Free Agency, but just some of the options could be:

PLAYER	                
1  Carmelo Anthony
2  Alexey Shved
3  Karl A Towns/Jahlil Okafor/D'Angelo Russell/Emmanuel Mudiay?	
4  Greg Monroe/Robin Lopez/Paul Millsap?
5  Danny Green/Wesley Matthews/DeMarre Carroll?
6  Langston Galloway
7  Thanasis Antetokounmpo?
8  Andrea Bargnani?/Alexis Ajinca?
9  Jose Calderon?	
10 Tim Hardaway Jr.
11 Cleanthony Early	
A few of these guys could fill out the bench.
Cole Aldrich
Ricky Ledo
Lou Amundson	
Lance Thomas
Jason Smith     
Shane Larkin
Quincy Acy     
Travis Wear

But we don't have a Teague or Horford already.

That's what I would expect you to say. This isn't about matching the Hawks player for player. It's a general principle. Look at their roster and you can see that it's not one built on a few elite guys but rather a nice collection of high quality players. We have more spots to fill than the Hawks did, but we do have the means to fill those spots this summer as long as Phil and his staff make smart decisions. The Hawks didn't revamp the roster with unattainable players.

The Knicks have to not only bring in talent but must continue to develop talent as well. The combination should allow them to put together a very competitive team. The signs are there for this process beginning already. It's not quite the farm system the Spurs have. Not by a long shot, but they have to start somewhere. Fans have to use their eyes and ears to see what the Knicks are trying to establish here. It's not very impressive looking right now, but the are trying to build a better organization. One that can develop talent and not just bring in free agents to solve all the problems. That's going to take time and hard work.

are you sure you arent working for the knicks PR staff lol. Seriously thoygh im looking forward to thr draft and free agency

If this is true, where does Melo fit in this team? As far as I know he command and shoot the ball like an elite guy.

The way the offense works the more talent you have on the team the less dependent on Melo's offense they'll be. He's still gonna be Melo, but the rest of the team will be able to function at a higher level. It's no different than when Melo was in Denver and they went to the WCF's or in NY at the start of the season they won 54 games. You have to imagine how things change when you have better players who are capable of scoring at a higher level.

Those Denver’s and Knicks teams are totally different from the Hawks; Atlanta is build more like San Antonio Spurs, ball movement and spacing, the ball doesn’t stick in anybody’s hand. But I see what you saying, I guess they can add better role players to this team.

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NBA players have an extremely rare skill and put their bodies on the line in a way very few humans do - all while generating unimaginable amounts of wealth for the owners. I am happy to see the players have guaranteed contracts. I would love to see far more amnesty clauses and ways to remove the salary from the team's cap, though.

I would look at giving a GM more power to amnesty a contract for a player he did not sign or trade for. I don't feel as bad for any team that signs a player to a ridiculous contract and then realizes the next year that they made a huge mistake.

We F'd up on the Amare contract, as it turned out. As long as Walsh was GM, it was his responsibility, but once he was gone a new GM should have had the ability to dump that contract.

The issue becomes clouded when you have a figurehead GM who is a proxy for a hands-on team owner, who would be able to direct his GMs to make terrible deals, dump the GM, and then have the new GM use the amnesty clause to clean up a mistake that had really been initiated by the owner, who was still directing things.

Nevertheless, there has to be some form of recurring amnesty provision, IMO.

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FireWoodson wrote:I Am Sick Of Optimistic Knick Fans!

Who are we kidding here? Your frustration is directed at nixluva. Who I can see would grind a lot of peoples hides with his basic condescension and passive aggressive behavior, then trying to retreat back into claiming it's all optimism and anyone who disagrees with him is a hater.

I used to work with a guy who has a chronically bad back. He said in the morning and when it was cold in the winter, it was the worst because his back would stiffen up and he couldn't move very well. He said during the mornings, when he would go take a dump, that it would be so cold and his back was so out of whack that he couldn't turn enough and reach around an wipe after a dump.

That feeling right there, cold, tired, your ass full of ****, and realizing with your pants around your ankles that you can't wrench yourself enough to even wipe yourself like you were 2 year old again, I imagine that is what it's like to see a nixluva typical post over and over again.

Best answer? You can't reason with a terrorist or someone with a terrorist mentality. And that's what nixluva is, a smiling terrorist. Immune to reason. Just there to be subversive under the guise of some other agenda. Splat was wrong about the agenda, but not wrong about the methodology.

If you want reason for hope, then I say don't rest it on Melo or Phil Jackson or some lottery pick.

Have "hope" for Adam Silver. Silver has improved officiating by leaps and bounds the past year. He's pushed for lottery reform. He's discussed sweeping logical changes to make the game more competitive. During the impending lockout, it appears he sees the interest by fans and profitability to modeling the league after the NFL and, to some degree, the MLB model. More player movement, fast rebuilds, more mechanisms to improve, more built in market inefficiencies to exploit.

I don't have faith in Dolan, nor Melo nor Zen Master. But I have faith in Silver. More mechanisms for future change would allow the Knicks to a chance to avoid the treadmill pitfall they are currently headed in now.

The KC Royals in the past World Series was good for KC, it was good for baseball in general, and it was good for profitability and fan interest. MLB sees this, I believe Adam Silver sees this too. Changes are coming from a league perspective and if the Knicks can be smart and take advantage of these changes, I think there is reason for more hope than the traditional "tank and rebuild" model that's killing the current league.

Your posts are disgusting- does anyone actually enjoy reading them? What is your purpose when you post your race rants and blow job and toilet metaphors?

"Terrorist" is over the top but, yes, I enjoy the immense, careful thought that TT puts into his basketball analysis.

Hmm, you must have missed those rants from last week

Maybe I did but I would judge anyone from only one or a few posts anyway. I can see right in this thread that TT is adding a lot of intelligent analysis.

I guess I missed the analysis. I did see some negative Phil/Melo stuff around the fourth or fifth paragraph but that is present in all of his posts.