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BRIGGS
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4/2/2015  7:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/2/2015  7:23 PM
VCoug wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Actually putting up a maximum frontloaded contract at Kanter is an easy decision. Phil had Sam Presti do his footwork--he doesnt have a better scout than Sam. Now for once maybe Jim Dolans pocketbook will actually work for the Knicks

You can't frontload a max deal. By its definition a max deal has max raises each year. Also, there's no way Sam Presti is the best GM in the league. He traded Harden for basically nothing... because he refused to amnesty Kendrick ****ing Perkins one of the worst players in the league; he hasn't nailed a draft pick in years; he just traded a 1st rounder for Dion Waiters, another one of the worst players in the league. Here is three years worth of OKC transactions; does that look like the record of the best GM in the league?

Vcoug--big difference between GM and owner. He cant tell the owner to spend over his budget

Going back in time--the San Antonio Spurs have Tony Parker because????????? Sam Presti encouraged the Spurs to take him. And he has credit for many of the Spurs picks after that.

For the Thunder youre talking Harden Westbrook Durant.. Some of the other moves are intangible fits. reggie Jackson steve adams Mitch Mcgary Perry Jones etc...

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4/2/2015  7:21 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Kanter's overall game is being severely discounted.


Kanters game, by most here, is being evaluated over a period of seasons, not just the last 15-20 games.

What's more likely? The Kanter seen before the trade and the past few seasons is what the Knicks will get?
Or the Kanter with a very small sample size, on a team gutted with injury and trade, where the Alpha player Westbrook is commanding near full time triple team coverage on defense?

Your proposed fit for Kanter requires not one, but several other contingencies to fall into place. Also for players to shift against their established trends of production/skill sets.

IMHO, that is not a plan for success.


Bingo. Kanter's overall history is being severely discounted...by BRIGGS

Im sorry Sam Presti is the best GM in the NBA. His eye for talent is simply the best.

I never said Presti was good or bad. That's a different discussion. Just because you're ignoring Kanter's history doesn't mean Presti is.

VCoug
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4/2/2015  8:50 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
VCoug wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Actually putting up a maximum frontloaded contract at Kanter is an easy decision. Phil had Sam Presti do his footwork--he doesnt have a better scout than Sam. Now for once maybe Jim Dolans pocketbook will actually work for the Knicks

You can't frontload a max deal. By its definition a max deal has max raises each year. Also, there's no way Sam Presti is the best GM in the league. He traded Harden for basically nothing... because he refused to amnesty Kendrick ****ing Perkins one of the worst players in the league; he hasn't nailed a draft pick in years; he just traded a 1st rounder for Dion Waiters, another one of the worst players in the league. Here is three years worth of OKC transactions; does that look like the record of the best GM in the league?

Vcoug--big difference between GM and owner. He cant tell the owner to spend over his budget

Going back in time--the San Antonio Spurs have Tony Parker because????????? Sam Presti encouraged the Spurs to take him. And he has credit for many of the Spurs picks after that.

For the Thunder youre talking Harden Westbrook Durant.. Some of the other moves are intangible fits. reggie Jackson steve adams Mitch Mcgary Perry Jones etc...

I understand that but even if your owner is forcing you to trade a guy you should still get a better return then Kevin Martin (who you let walk at the end of the season, Jeremy Lamb (who doesn't play), and two stiffs at center.

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4/2/2015  9:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/2/2015  9:33 PM
If we get Towns, I immediately look to trade him (with THJr and Cole Aldrich) to the T'Wolves for Gorgui Dieng and their pick. Hopefully Jahlil Okafor and D'Angelo Russell is still available to use it on one of them.

And if I can get Gorgui Dieng, I'd look to pair him with Carmelo Anthony and Jose Calderon in a package for the Lakers' 4th and 25th pick. I'd then try to pair those two picks up for either Jahlil Okafor or D'Angelo Russel; whichever guy we didn't get with the Wolves' pick.

From this point, my focus would be to try and develop Russell and Okafor as best I can in preparation for the Anthony Davis free agency sweepstakes in 2017. If we can have a trio of those players by that point, I'd like our chances to win a title. Until that point in time, however, I'd try to round out the team with:

1.) KJ McDaniels. He's a free agent this year and seems like he has the tools to be a noteworthy starter in the future. I'd throw big money/short term at him to see what he could do for us. I doubt the Rockets keep him otherwise.

2.) Jeremy Lamb, obtained using cash incentives and our cap space. The Thunder have Dion Waiters and no longer need him.

3.) Derrick Williams via free agency. I still believe in the kid. He's a solid defender, underrated passer and may still be the 20ppg scorer that he was destined to be. Lord know's we'd have more than enough shots available for him to take to prove that.

4.) Thomas Robinson via free agency. He reminds me of a very young David West/Bo Outlaw type. The guy has the talent but has never been given a shot because of an incoming (Dwight Howard) or incumbent star (LaMarcus Aldridge, DeMarcus Cousins).

5.) I'd also re-sign Alexey Shved, Langston Galloway,Louis Amundson, Lance Thomas and Ricky Ledo using $10 million or so of our cap space.

6.) With whatever cap space we'd have left, I'd use it to acquire bad contracts for draft picks. Those picks might prove to be invaluable if we can become legitimate contenders for Anthony Davus' services in free agency.

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4/2/2015  9:32 PM
VCoug wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
VCoug wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Actually putting up a maximum frontloaded contract at Kanter is an easy decision. Phil had Sam Presti do his footwork--he doesnt have a better scout than Sam. Now for once maybe Jim Dolans pocketbook will actually work for the Knicks

You can't frontload a max deal. By its definition a max deal has max raises each year. Also, there's no way Sam Presti is the best GM in the league. He traded Harden for basically nothing... because he refused to amnesty Kendrick ****ing Perkins one of the worst players in the league; he hasn't nailed a draft pick in years; he just traded a 1st rounder for Dion Waiters, another one of the worst players in the league. Here is three years worth of OKC transactions; does that look like the record of the best GM in the league?

Vcoug--big difference between GM and owner. He cant tell the owner to spend over his budget

Going back in time--the San Antonio Spurs have Tony Parker because????????? Sam Presti encouraged the Spurs to take him. And he has credit for many of the Spurs picks after that.

For the Thunder youre talking Harden Westbrook Durant.. Some of the other moves are intangible fits. reggie Jackson steve adams Mitch Mcgary Perry Jones etc...

I understand that but even if your owner is forcing you to trade a guy you should still get a better return then Kevin Martin (who you let walk at the end of the season, Jeremy Lamb (who doesn't play), and two stiffs at center.

Vcoug --if you think Steve Adams and Mitch Mcgary are stiffs--than you have never seen either 1 play. No where near the case. K mart and 3 picks maybe thats the best he could do under the circumstance

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4/3/2015  6:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/3/2015  10:21 PM
We have 8 spots to fill with approximately 27 mil of cap space
pg-? Mo Williams/Bev (7 mm)
sg-?Shved
SF-Melo
PF-Towns
C-?Brandon Wright (6mmm)

pg-Lin?(4.5mm)
Sg-?Thanasis Antekekoupo
Sf-?Dunlevey(6mm)
pf-?Jerkbo/T-Rob(5mm)
C-? Trade Thjr, Larkin, Lance and whatever remants that I did not mention for a 2nd rounder to get a center(Briggs?)

Pg- Vet Pg/Ledo/Benenelli?
Sg- Galloway
Sf-Early
pf-Amundson
C-Jason SMith

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VCoug
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4/3/2015  6:12 PM
TPercy wrote:We have 8 spots to fill with approximately 27 mil of cap space
pg-?Cory Jospph/Beverly
sg-?Danny Green
SF-Melo
PF-Towns OR Draymond Green
C-?Brandon Wright OR Towns

pg-Shved
Sg-?Thanasis Antekekoupo
Sf-?Dunlevey
pf-?Jerkbo/T-Rob
C-? Trade Thjr, Larkin, Lance and whatever remants that I did not mention for a 2nd rounder to get a center(Briggs?)

Pg- Veteran Pg? (Need suggestions)
Sg- Galloway
Sf-Early
pf-Amundson
C-Jason SMith

The problem with your plan is we probably have to spend $20M+ to get Brandon Wright and Danny Green. That doesn't leave enough money to also pick up Cory Joseph, Dunleavy, and Jerebko.

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4/3/2015  6:20 PM
Green will get about 6-9 m
Wright is getting the same 6-9 m
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4/3/2015  6:28 PM
TPercy wrote:Green will get about 6-9 m
Wright is getting the same 6-9 m

I would say Green is worth 9-9 million (12 million if the knicks want him)

Wright ... 6 million is about right.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/3/2015  7:37 PM
TPercy wrote:Green will get about 6-9 m
Wright is getting the same 6-9 m

Green will probably get $6M-$9M from San Antonio. If we want him to join the worst team in the league it'll cost more, at least $12M. Him plus Wright will cost, at a bare minimum, $18M. Still not enough leftover to get those other guys.

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4/3/2015  7:43 PM
VCoug wrote:
TPercy wrote:Green will get about 6-9 m
Wright is getting the same 6-9 m

Green will probably get $6M-$9M from San Antonio. If we want him to join the worst team in the league it'll cost more, at least $12M. Him plus Wright will cost, at a bare minimum, $18M. Still not enough leftover to get those other guys.

You are right. Looks like we will have to promote shved and possibly keep Larkin for my way to work

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4/3/2015  10:21 PM
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