nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Some of you guys are so naive it's embarrassing, Phil Inherited a core of players that had a record of (127-103) over the last 3 seasons and made the playoffs 2 out the last 3 yrs. You don't just act like thats not a winning % you tweak that you don't throw a wrecking ball to it. You had assets on your team that just a few months prior (tyson and shump)to you taking over, were good enough to get you a pick in the 1st round.

He dumped ever asset we had for nothing, there are 8 other franchises in the league with roughly the same amount of cap space and have multiple draft picks to juggle. Two of those teams (phili and boston) are right in our division, both currently have much better talent, and much better head coaches.

Please stop acting like he took the best route possible, he took the (Man I fck'd up no other choice now) route.

How did grunwald with RELATIVELY THE SAME cap space Phil had, and build a team that went from a.545 winning pct to a .659 winning pct.

Please don't get me to believe phil had nothing to work with last summer.

Please don't admit to Fisher being the best coach to hire last summer, and don't forget the triangle crooonies tacked on.

Phil has shown he has no eye for talent when you scour the d league, and overseas and come out with Gallow and wear..

Please don't tell me that the only FA THAT YOU COULD HAVE CONVINCE TO COME HERE LAST SUMMER ON THE CHEAP WAS JASON SMITH, Couldn't even get Pau to shoot you a "no thank you" TexT, a player who has had a lot of success under you.

With so many bad moves you can clearly relate to the people that aren't has optimistic as some of you are. You may not 100% agree, but some part of you has to think, this guy really has done anything for me to really look forward to. Moves like this to garner optimistic feelings.

What your hoping for this summer is a HAIL MARY, just because you have a guy with a strong arm(aka MSG and a few dollars) but everyone knows, that 9 out of 10 hail mary's get batted to the ground or intercepted.

If you had a tried and true system, would you change your system to fit the players or change the players to fit your system?

We start with 1 max contract, 1 7m contract, a couple rookie scale contracts, a top 3 pick and 30-35mm in FA space. You want to say it is no fun to watch this year? Of course its no fun to watch. Go cry in your Cheerios. But starting fresh is not a hail mary. A hail mary is praying that Lebron or Kobe (in his prime) is willing to sign here for the MLE cause we have mismanaged our way to zero cap space. A hail mary is praying that Westbrook falls to us in the draft, or Curry gets past GS. Neither happened. It is not a hail mary to tank and guaranty a top 3 pick. Will we get the BEST free agent? Prob not. But can Phil build a core for the next 4+ years -- 100%. And then you build a franchise...where is the hail mary in that?

The draft is a basically a hail mary and you know it, you can draft milic or melo, and when the person responsible for making that pick has no track record for ever picking a star player, why should I believe, it's more like I HOPE..

It's not just Phil but also basketball men who HAVE PICKED STAR PLAYERS. It's not like Phil is clueless and has no idea what a great player looks like. You think you could be in the NBA for as long as he has in winning situations with hall of fame players and have no clue what a great player looks like? Think he might have some idea after countless hours coaching some of the best players in NBA history?

PHILADELPHIA — Credit Phil Jackson’s top adviser, Clarence Gaines Jr., for playing a part in “Langsanity.’’
According to a source, Gaines, the only front-office personnel man Jackson has hired to date, was the top supporter for bringing new combo guard Langston Galloway into the fold after he went undrafted in June out of little St. Joseph’s in Philadelphia.

Who knew Galloway could turn into a more promising Knicks rookie than Cleanthony Early, drafted at No. 34. Galloway, a live wire on both ends of the court in five games, is averaging 12 points in 25 minutes.

The source said Gaines first saw Galloway at the Portsmouth, Va. pre-draft camp last spring. Gaines, the Bulls’ college scout when Jackson coached Chicago, has a knack for discovering guys who fit into Jackson’s team-player mold and has the president’s ear, according to the source.

Galloway is shooting 39% fg, 33% from downtown(and you said he starting to feel comfy), and were getting complete destroyed every night, if thats phils IDEA of finding talent, god help us.

Who needs to watch a comedy show when you have UK? I do find it funny when a borderline player's status is overstated and used as proof that Phil is doing his job. It's a laugh riot I tell ya.

We got the kid as a rookie free agent. Why does he have to be perfect and fully developed in year one? There's no penalty for finding useful rookies so why should you look down on that? He's shown some promise this year on both ends, which is not bad for kid we found outside of the draft.

Here's what I don't understand. Why are supposed Knick fans talking ish about our own prospects? What is your motivation to want to piss on our own rookies? You think the story is complete on kids like Early, Thanasis and Galloway? They're just getting started. In reference to Galloway, his shooting is only one aspect of the game. He's a good young prospect and could very well improve his shooting as MANY young guards have done.

Nobody is pissing on our rookies. The only thing I see going on is some folks responding to your extreme hyperbole and madness. You are scraping the barrel trying to offer up scraps as proof of Phil's competency and when you start proposing guys like Gallo are proof of that then you might be completely deranged. That's all. Nobody is mocking them. Galloway is fine to have around as a future bench player. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing particularly great about it either. You're the one clowning everybody on the board about lack of perspective every day when you are the one lacking it.

newyorker4ever wrote:I love the fans that talk bad about what Phil has done so far after they get to see how the trades worked out. Tyson, Felton and JR all needed to go and all the fans wanted them gone at this time last year. But now that they see that Tyson is actually playing pretty good and JR has decided that he actually wants to be a team player and grow up and act like a mature person they now hate the trades. LOL Phil is doing just what he needed to do in getting rid of the guys he has gotten rid of which is gonna change the culture of this team. He's put us in a position to get a top 4 pick in the draft and 30+ million to spend in free agency. Does it stink that we're the worst team in the league? Yep. Does it matter because this year was a throw away year anyway? Nope. Some people just look for reasons to complain on message boards and if we weren't a bad team and we were in the 8th spot to make the playoffs those same fans would complain about that and complain that we weren't getting a lottery pick. LOL Give Phil a chance to build this team instead of judging him on what he's done with the horrible team he inherited.

It is refreshing to see we still have some decent fans that can actually see the light instead of dwelling in the dark. I still don't understand why Phil and Fisher receive so much hate. If Dolan gave that kind of money to anybody on this site they would take both jobs. I don't care how much experience you have in basketball ...all rookies at all levels will make mistakes. You don't judge rookies on how they fall....that's expected. But how they rebound and perform during adversity is the key. I think Phil and fisher have shown the ability to fall and get up under the media and fan pressure. Both will still draw players to NY, along with melo and cap space.

We are in a great position....who cares if it's because of Phil or not. We are about to add 2 franchising pieces to this club with room for another player next season. If it works out that's our version of the big 4....or spread it out like Atlanta. We've never had this much flexibility ever in franchise history. True fans show your face now because in a few years there will be so many bandwagon fans it will be hard to see who the die hard fans were. Who stayed positive during this time of turmoil.

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Some of you guys are so naive it's embarrassing, Phil Inherited a core of players that had a record of (127-103) over the last 3 seasons and made the playoffs 2 out the last 3 yrs. You don't just act like thats not a winning % you tweak that you don't throw a wrecking ball to it. You had assets on your team that just a few months prior (tyson and shump)to you taking over, were good enough to get you a pick in the 1st round.

He dumped ever asset we had for nothing, there are 8 other franchises in the league with roughly the same amount of cap space and have multiple draft picks to juggle. Two of those teams (phili and boston) are right in our division, both currently have much better talent, and much better head coaches.

Please stop acting like he took the best route possible, he took the (Man I fck'd up no other choice now) route.

How did grunwald with RELATIVELY THE SAME cap space Phil had, and build a team that went from a.545 winning pct to a .659 winning pct.

Please don't get me to believe phil had nothing to work with last summer.

Please don't admit to Fisher being the best coach to hire last summer, and don't forget the triangle crooonies tacked on.

Phil has shown he has no eye for talent when you scour the d league, and overseas and come out with Gallow and wear..

Please don't tell me that the only FA THAT YOU COULD HAVE CONVINCE TO COME HERE LAST SUMMER ON THE CHEAP WAS JASON SMITH, Couldn't even get Pau to shoot you a "no thank you" TexT, a player who has had a lot of success under you.

With so many bad moves you can clearly relate to the people that aren't has optimistic as some of you are. You may not 100% agree, but some part of you has to think, this guy really has done anything for me to really look forward to. Moves like this to garner optimistic feelings.

What your hoping for this summer is a HAIL MARY, just because you have a guy with a strong arm(aka MSG and a few dollars) but everyone knows, that 9 out of 10 hail mary's get batted to the ground or intercepted.

If you had a tried and true system, would you change your system to fit the players or change the players to fit your system?

We start with 1 max contract, 1 7m contract, a couple rookie scale contracts, a top 3 pick and 30-35mm in FA space. You want to say it is no fun to watch this year? Of course its no fun to watch. Go cry in your Cheerios. But starting fresh is not a hail mary. A hail mary is praying that Lebron or Kobe (in his prime) is willing to sign here for the MLE cause we have mismanaged our way to zero cap space. A hail mary is praying that Westbrook falls to us in the draft, or Curry gets past GS. Neither happened. It is not a hail mary to tank and guaranty a top 3 pick. Will we get the BEST free agent? Prob not. But can Phil build a core for the next 4+ years -- 100%. And then you build a franchise...where is the hail mary in that?

The draft is a basically a hail mary and you know it, you can draft milic or melo, and when the person responsible for making that pick has no track record for ever picking a star player, why should I believe, it's more like I HOPE..

It's not just Phil but also basketball men who HAVE PICKED STAR PLAYERS. It's not like Phil is clueless and has no idea what a great player looks like. You think you could be in the NBA for as long as he has in winning situations with hall of fame players and have no clue what a great player looks like? Think he might have some idea after countless hours coaching some of the best players in NBA history?

PHILADELPHIA — Credit Phil Jackson’s top adviser, Clarence Gaines Jr., for playing a part in “Langsanity.’’
According to a source, Gaines, the only front-office personnel man Jackson has hired to date, was the top supporter for bringing new combo guard Langston Galloway into the fold after he went undrafted in June out of little St. Joseph’s in Philadelphia.

Who knew Galloway could turn into a more promising Knicks rookie than Cleanthony Early, drafted at No. 34. Galloway, a live wire on both ends of the court in five games, is averaging 12 points in 25 minutes.

The source said Gaines first saw Galloway at the Portsmouth, Va. pre-draft camp last spring. Gaines, the Bulls’ college scout when Jackson coached Chicago, has a knack for discovering guys who fit into Jackson’s team-player mold and has the president’s ear, according to the source.

This feels like damning with faint praise.

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We are going to really miss pick 31 I mean like terribly but the bottom line for the rest is position 1 in ping pong balls and as my h as 30-32 mm in cap space.

We don't have our own 2nd round pick until 2020! If we stay bad, these are all almost lost late 1st rounders.

Who cares about 2nd round picks?? We can easily buy a 2nd round pick if we want to.

Would you care about giving away 5 straight late first round picks?

And it's not just that we traded these picks but gave them away for nothing. Two 2nd round picks, last year's and this year's, for Marcus Camby. Our 2016 for Ray Felton. Our 2017 for Bargnani. Our 2019 and the right to swap in 2018 to Philly to open up a roster spot for Travis Wear.

Wow, what a fugly record of ineptitude. That's a murderer's row of bad asset management.

EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil hasn't done sht except collect 18 million dollars and put together the worst roster in franchise history. Even the suppose pipeline of young talent in our D league turns out to be more veterans than youth, and they are just as bad if not worse. Care to know their record (10-39)their currently on a 6 game losing streak, and losers of 14 of the last 15,second worse in the entire d league.

Save the "PHil has a dream Speeches" for Dolan, you can pee on his head and tell him it's raining.

The only thing left to do is running around the country all summer with dolans check book. If he got more than 20 hrs of sleep the entire summer, it would be the a crime of the decade.

You are out of your mind. What would we do with the number 10 pick in this draft. Or 8. or 9. Watch Stephen Curry get picked just before us, leaving us with Jordan Hill? Middling begets more middling. I judge PJAx after this offseason. That said, PJax didn't start the mess, he inherited it and I am not expecting a quick fix. F--- the media. PJax earned his right to rebuild in NY by collecting 11 chips. If he gets a 12th, I will be overjoyed. If he fails...well, he didn't have much to start with.

Ditto. Not sure what people were expecting him to do with this bull$#!+ roster and bass-ackwards culture of losing. I do blame him for giving Melo that type of money. I think he really could have done better than that.

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:Enough already! Could you at least turn off your PR machine for one day please? It is exhausting. Shift gears. Go read a book.

It's the Ultimate Knicks Forum. This is the place to come and talk everything Knicks. If I was posting something that had nothing to do with the Knicks I could understand what you're saying. I'm clearly right on topic and contributing to the forum. I post information and I back up what i'm saying with legitimate sources and quotes. I posted information to back up what i'm saying. What have you been posting?

Go ahead and tell yourself you're a fact-based theologian if it makes you happy. You are still primarily engaged in prostration at the temple steps. Phil is clearly god-like to you when most other see he is not only fallible, but so far incompetent.

I have never said that Phil is perfect, but just to set things straight no GM is perfect. They all make mistakes. Doesn't mean they can't build a team. Phil is no different and he still has to prove he can put a good team together. He's really no different than any other NBA GM that hasn't yet built a winning team. The only difference is that Phil's biggest chance to put his stamp on this franchise is coming this summer. I've been saying all along that there are no guarantees of success. That doesn't mean that it's doomed to fail either. The thing is tho that with a shot at the top pick and most likely being a lock for top 4 at worst, plus cap space, Phil has some good things working for him this summer. He can go out and try to get really good players.

You have every right to hope for the best, but when you continually show you are incapable of factoring in things that have already happened and only depend on your fantasy projections then I think you're more of a crazy fan than a rational one.

I wouldn't care that much if you didn't lace almost every single post with outlandish condemnations and call everyone who doesn't fart rainbows a fool. I may be harsh and I know I've talked down to people, but I can also be friendly and fair. If you want to keep projecting how you want things to be while ignoring the facts about what has transpired so far, please continue to do so. But do it without the non-stop condescension. For someone who has gotten everything wrong, you have no business strutting around like you do and telling everyone they are stupid like you do. I'm sick of it.

TripleThreat wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:... Free agents want msg and a chance at becoming a immortal nyc basketball legend. bringing a chip to the Mecca of the world, the endosements alone would be threw the roof $$$$$$$$$$ ..

IMHO, that is exactly the last type of player the Knicks should go after and sign.

Ones who care about branding, endorsements, acting opportunities, being in commercials, spinning out a rap song, getting their own clothing line, being a sports agent, being on Dancing With The Stars, being a guest analyst on some broadcast, being the third judge in some beauty pageant, getting their own line of cologne and bath products, getting into the next Tyler Perry movie. Do I need to go on?

Knicks need players who want to eat, drink and live basketball. Always fighting to get that little edge edge, always working hard to improve, always thinking about ways to win the game and be the best player they can be. Relentless, driven, committed, passionate about the game and the craft. Players smart enough to know if they do right, play the game the right way, pay their dues, make those sacrifices, and focus on winning, that all other stuff, the money and shoe deals, or whatever, will take care of itself in it's own time if it has to, and if it doesn't, then oh well.

This is all fallout from the David Stern legacy, where trumping up and promoting the individual over the team was the best profit and revenue generating strategy, but one that sapped the dignity and integrity of the concept of team within the NBA.

I'd rather search for players who want to win and will commit and sacrifice to win instead of trying to leverage their NBA career in the hopes that they can get their own reality show or marry a Kardashian or be in the next HBO period drama.

Winners Within. Nuff said.

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:Enough already! Could you at least turn off your PR machine for one day please? It is exhausting. Shift gears. Go read a book.

It's the Ultimate Knicks Forum. This is the place to come and talk everything Knicks. If I was posting something that had nothing to do with the Knicks I could understand what you're saying. I'm clearly right on topic and contributing to the forum. I post information and I back up what i'm saying with legitimate sources and quotes. I posted information to back up what i'm saying. What have you been posting?

Go ahead and tell yourself you're a fact-based theologian if it makes you happy. You are still primarily engaged in prostration at the temple steps. Phil is clearly god-like to you when most other see he is not only fallible, but so far incompetent.

I have never said that Phil is perfect, but just to set things straight no GM is perfect. They all make mistakes. Doesn't mean they can't build a team. Phil is no different and he still has to prove he can put a good team together. He's really no different than any other NBA GM that hasn't yet built a winning team. The only difference is that Phil's biggest chance to put his stamp on this franchise is coming this summer. I've been saying all along that there are no guarantees of success. That doesn't mean that it's doomed to fail either. The thing is tho that with a shot at the top pick and most likely being a lock for top 4 at worst, plus cap space, Phil has some good things working for him this summer. He can go out and try to get really good players.

You have every right to hope for the best, but when you continually show you are incapable of factoring in things that have already happened and only depend on your fantasy projections then I think you're more of a crazy fan than a rational one.

I wouldn't care that much if you didn't lace almost every single post with outlandish condemnations and call everyone who doesn't fart rainbows a fool. I may be harsh and I know I've talked down to people, but I can also be friendly and fair. If you want to keep projecting how you want things to be while ignoring the facts about what has transpired so far, please continue to do so. But do it without the non-stop condescension. For someone who has gotten everything wrong, you have no business strutting around like you do and telling everyone they are stupid like you do. I'm sick of it.

If Andrew or Martin were to tell me that i'm the scourge that you are insinuating that I am, then I would take it more seriously. I think you need to just stick to making points rather than to try and lecture me on my posting style. I don't know you and you don't know me. I can tell you that I like to talk about sports. I come here to talk about sports and in particular my favorite team for the last 40 years since becoming a Knick fan at about 8-9 years old. That's it.

I mostly just make my points. We all engage in some salty language from time to time. But i'm no different than anyone else. I think this entire conversation is there for Andrew and Martin to examine and make a determination of how I post. Your attempt at being the UK Posting Police isn't necessary or welcome. I think you can just make your points in defense of your beliefs or don't. There's no need to tell people how to post. We have Admins for that.

I will grant you that it is up to the admins. That said, you've never exhibited the slightest bit of self-awareness. That you are not even aware you tell the board it is stupid 7 days a week shows you are oblivious to the reality of this situation not to mention your take on the Knicks. You tell people they are fools daily. That's fine. You're just a lifelong fan. You're excused.

Splat, would you quit it please? Try posting about basketball and the Knicks instead of about nix.