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gunsnewing
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3/24/2015  6:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/24/2015  7:19 PM
mreinman wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
mreinman wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
mreinman wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Has coach K ever produced an all NBA defensive player for all the respect he gets? Seems more like a dantoni offensive fundamentals guru

Shane Battier and Grant Hill were not too bad.

That's why I asked for bigs not wings

This should get you excited.

Danny Ferry, Christian Laettner, Cherokee Parks, Elton Brand, Carlos Boozer and Shelden Williams — what do they have in common? Yes, they all played for Duke, and they all averaged at least 17.7 points and 7.4 rebounds in their final years in Durham. On average, this group posted 19.6 points and 9.0 boards in those years. Ferry, Laettner, Brand and Williams were named First Team All-Americans, while Boozer made the Third Team. Parks could have been an All-American as well had Mike Krzyzewski not missed most of of his senior season due to back surgery and exhaustion. Williams was the last “dominant” Duke big man, and he graduated in 2005-06.

LOL at Parks and Williams

We are assuming that Ok4 is different because he is much bigger.

Bigger is not always better though it can obviously be a plus.

Why do all these Duke big men and big numbers and they were mostly busts? Because they were shorter? Lots of tall busts too.

No guarantees on anybody ... its silly

There's something about Dukes defensive system that doesn't require their bigs to be all world defenders. Similar to Dantoni and probably why they get along so well. But they have produced some nice defensive wings like Hill, battier and now Winslow

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3/24/2015  6:56 PM
Wonder if Phil Jackson is still thinking about trying to build a contender for NEXT season?
There is still talent out there that would make us play off contenders but I am not sure about Championship Contenders
Maybe seeing if a team will overpay if we get a TOP 4 pick could be considered

If so, will it be with or without CA, the 2 teams I would consider moving him to are LA LAKERS and Houston Rockets, though CA holds a no trade clause

contracts with player options

Brook Lopez
Roy Hibbert/David West
Al Jefferson
Jordan Hill


LA
Kevin Love/Lebron

UFA's

Millsap/Draymond Green
Ajinica - I would like Ajincia and would offer him a huge contract


Greg Monroe/Dragic

D Jordan
Asik/Lopez

RFA's

Middleton
Reggie Jackson
Ernes Kanter
Will Barton

We can get the FULL 6m MLE to use on one player or divide it up, with Cole Aldrich's early bird rights and vet min cap hold/Same with Acey I think, though Acey is a RFA


Wesley Matthews
Danny Green


Mo WIlliams/Jameer Nelson *player options*


Patrick Beverely/Norris Cole both RFA's


Lin


Wesley Johnson/Rasual Butler
Matt Barnes/WIlson CHandler/Randy Foye *team option*
Ed Davis/Carlos Boozer

Koufus/Serephin/Lavoy Allen/Joel Freeland

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3/24/2015  8:07 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:You play slower if you draft Ok4. Halfcourt ball. Back to the Ewing/Melo days

No way--Id put Jahi at 5 --did you see him in the MCd game up and down? Did you know that Karl Towns in an up and won game with the top guys had 6 points and 2 rebounds while Jahill had 17-7?

That is because the duke system is designed around Okafor.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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3/24/2015  8:15 PM
blkexec wrote:There are a lot of guards in the draft that push the ball....We just need to find a way to get another pick.

With our over load of SG's, now that we have Ledo, we can afford to trade someone for a pick.

Draft OK4 and trade him for the #2 pick and a second round pick.

I don't know, you guys are better at this make believe trade stuff than me, but with another pick, you can add a fast guard. Still got some fast vets like the PG that used to be in Orlando.

I watched that kid Ledo last night, be showed nothing special that proved he is worthy.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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3/24/2015  8:27 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
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BRIGGS wrote:We need to find guys who can play the game at a faster pace. I think that Schveyd with the right running mate can go in that direction--but the offense needs much more pace as a foundation starting next year--we need faster players. If I see Calderon near a ball with a Knick logo on it

What difference would it make if your instructed to set up the triangle. How many times have we seen players jet down the court ahead of everyone only to pull back and set up a play. Larkin is the fastest guy in the NBA, and what about the 100's of times we seen shump do that. when your trying to establish a system as difficult as the triangle, you get players thinking too much.

Phil's Bulls and laker teams picked their spots when to run very effectively. It behooves the team to have some guys who are athletic and can run after great defensive stops and turnovers. We will be extremely slow total halfcourt team with ok4 and Melo. If they don't plug in a center who can shoot they will have spacing issues. Similar problems Melo/Amare/TYSON had.

Towns runs well and can space the floor

I don't see anyone in the immediate or for seeable future that resembles MJ or Kobe. I was never sold on Phil being the best coach ever, not when you have arguably the 2 best wing players ever to play in the NBA. Im talking from a mental and physical stance.

When Phil was left with just kobe and a few solid role players, they got swept in the first round, and phil retired.

I already know fisher will either leave next season and use the family excuse just so he won't make phil look bad. With that being said, a PG is what we should be in the market for, because lets face it, it's a guards league, and if you don't have an elite one your not pushing the pace no matter who's on the court.


Your lack of respect for Phil is mind boggling. Yes he had some of the best players ever, but most winning coaches have great talent. Doesn't mean he wasn't a great coach.

We'll see how things go next year when this team is revamped. I think Phil is much more of a great basketball mind than naysayers realize. He hasn't played his best hand yet but keep on thinking that this year is a good indication of what he's capable of. If you want to have a better idea of what Phil is trying to do here with the Knicks look no further than the Spurs. That's the kind of team he wants to build. He's not trying to build a Golden State type of roster. There are different ways to build a team and he's going to go in a direction that is closer to what he had with his teams. So the Spurs type of team is a better example of what we can expect from Phil.

Phil Jackson: "The way the Spurs played in the Finals was a beautiful demonstration of team basketball. That's how the game should be played."

"Establishing how you want to play basketball is important," Jackson said last week. "There are only a few teams that you can see in this league that say, 'OK, this is our definitive way we play.' We want to be one of those teams."

“You do need great players to win the championship, but having to always chase the best talent in free agency eventually becomes a mind-set of, well, the best talent wins as opposed to who plays the best team basketball — which is what San Antonio showed last season,” Jackson said. “Their play was special, a team that really values passing, a system where they’re not just standing around, spacing out shooters. That’s also what Atlanta and a couple of other teams are showing this year.’’

“We’re not going to punch all the right buttons in the process of doing this,’’ Jackson said. “But we’re looking for multiple talents, drive, intelligence, guys that will play defense. We hope to develop a team, and there are a lot of agents out there looking to find a good spot for their players.”

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3/24/2015  11:21 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
Vmart wrote:That is why if the Knicks strike out on OK4 they should consider taking Mudiay.

That pick righ there would be the worse move ever by he Knicks. You don't draft an unknown commodity with a lottery pick

LeBron James was an unknown commodity because we saw him play in HS. So was Kobe, T-Mac is another. Mudiay was the top HS recruit in the Nation. This kid is that good he is going to be by far the best PG/SG in this draft. Just because you didn't see him play in college doesn't take away why he was heavily recruited by Kentucky and SMU. Put your bias away about Mudiay playing in China and I said this before see the player and his talent you will see a superior athlete with a handle that breaks teams apart. His ability to get to the basket and make others better. Take your college blinders off and observe Mudiay's speed. Players like this do not come around often. By the way he is still growing and he will probably be 6'6 or 6'7.

We also needs guards who can push the pace

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