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Would you trade pick 1 or 2


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BRIGGS
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For Kevin Durant and his 22mm $ salary straight up
Yes hes one of the best players in the league I would be willing to risk the injury
We need this pick worse than a Fat lady needs a a Big Mac
I would trade it for an existing player but not Durant like Al Horford
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Moonangie
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3/25/2015  10:16 AM
I'd be happy to acknowledge that getting a healthy KD would be a steal for the Knicks, but there's also no denying that it would be a huge risk. THat said, the draft is a risk, too, in the sense that these kids are not NBA-tested yet.

For me, I'm done with the Starphuck approach. I'd trade Melo for another lottery pick in a heartbeat. I want to see something special get built here in NY, starting with this draft. If we want to blow a wad on a Superstar in a few years, when we have an actual core with whom to contend, then I'd be all in. But not now, not a broken gumby, not at the cost of our future. The hell with that.

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mreinman
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3/25/2015  10:25 AM
Moonangie wrote:I'd be happy to acknowledge that getting a healthy KD would be a steal for the Knicks, but there's also no denying that it would be a huge risk. THat said, the draft is a risk, too, in the sense that these kids are not NBA-tested yet.

For me, I'm done with the Starphuck approach. I'd trade Melo for another lottery pick in a heartbeat. I want to see something special get built here in NY, starting with this draft. If we want to blow a wad on a Superstar in a few years, when we have an actual core with whom to contend, then I'd be all in. But not now, not a broken gumby, not at the cost of our future. The hell with that.

would you trade the pick for Steph Curry?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
Moonangie
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3/25/2015  10:50 AM
mreinman wrote:
Moonangie wrote:I'd be happy to acknowledge that getting a healthy KD would be a steal for the Knicks, but there's also no denying that it would be a huge risk. THat said, the draft is a risk, too, in the sense that these kids are not NBA-tested yet.

For me, I'm done with the Starphuck approach. I'd trade Melo for another lottery pick in a heartbeat. I want to see something special get built here in NY, starting with this draft. If we want to blow a wad on a Superstar in a few years, when we have an actual core with whom to contend, then I'd be all in. But not now, not a broken gumby, not at the cost of our future. The hell with that.

would you trade the pick for Steph Curry?

Good question. I absolutely LOVE SC's game, and consider it a terrible misfortune that we missed on him by a single spot in his draft. But as good as he is, he doesn't really make sense for the Knicks' Triangle offense. His talents would be wasted here.

Now if we could ditch the triangle idea and build around Melo and Curry, then OF COURSE I would make that trade, as Curry and Melo compliment each other's games nicely. Not so with KD.

Anyway, hypotheticals aside, I am really stoked to start our rebuild and get back to watching games I care about. Let KD go to DC and help them get a chip while NY rebuilds. In a few years we will be ready to make a big move and get back to contention. For now, it's YOOT HOOPS!!!

mreinman
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3/25/2015  10:57 AM
Moonangie wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Moonangie wrote:I'd be happy to acknowledge that getting a healthy KD would be a steal for the Knicks, but there's also no denying that it would be a huge risk. THat said, the draft is a risk, too, in the sense that these kids are not NBA-tested yet.

For me, I'm done with the Starphuck approach. I'd trade Melo for another lottery pick in a heartbeat. I want to see something special get built here in NY, starting with this draft. If we want to blow a wad on a Superstar in a few years, when we have an actual core with whom to contend, then I'd be all in. But not now, not a broken gumby, not at the cost of our future. The hell with that.

would you trade the pick for Steph Curry?

Good question. I absolutely LOVE SC's game, and consider it a terrible misfortune that we missed on him by a single spot in his draft. But as good as he is, he doesn't really make sense for the Knicks' Triangle offense. His talents would be wasted here.

Now if we could ditch the triangle idea and build around Melo and Curry, then OF COURSE I would make that trade, as Curry and Melo compliment each other's games nicely. Not so with KD.

Anyway, hypotheticals aside, I am really stoked to start our rebuild and get back to watching games I care about. Let KD go to DC and help them get a chip while NY rebuilds. In a few years we will be ready to make a big move and get back to contention. For now, it's YOOT HOOPS!!!

I really hate that we would have to build around Melo and/or the triangle.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
BRIGGS
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3/25/2015  11:05 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:If Durant was healthy is available in any way or shape or form, you'd have to immediately do this trade.


If OKC actually put Durant on the block, there would be 31 teams interested in him and only Anthony Davis and LBJ would be considered not on the block. Any other player in the league would be open game for any type of trade. Any type of future asset.

Correction, if Briggs was running the Knicks, there would 30 teams gunning for a once in a franchise type moment game changer situation that they will all fight for, and one team that would apparently trade future assets for a guy named Porzingas, but not a 26 year old MVP in Kevin Durant.

If Sam Presti traded Durant now, and only got a first overall pick for his trouble, if the Knicks got it, under Brigg's bizarro world scenario, his name would be burned in effigy in sports lore like Mario Mendoza and Mike Mamula and Tommy John. I'm not sure Presti would be able to get his kids out of the city before someone shot out their kneecaps and blinded them with a blowtorch.

Lol your posts get more bizarre per entry. I'm sure NBA GMs are in the business of paying top dollar for damaged goods. If I remember just a few years ago we took a100 mm risk on a player who the MDS said don't do it. Go do some homework on this injury One lottery pick. Can you give me some kind of comp for your absurd scenario where a team gave up a potential number 1 pick for an injured player? You talk a big game but I find that your basketball facts and knowledge are very limited.


For Briggs and some of you, a Jones Fracture = A Bullet In The Head

And that's simply not the case.

What's absurd and bizarre is your insistence that OKC will trade Durant while currently injured, they will do so to the Knicks, as if they would have no other options, and would only do so for a PICK THE KNICKS DON'T EVEN HAVE YET AND MAY NEVER HAVE. How can you call anyone else absurd when you are talking about a pick the Knicks don't even own yet. Ted Stepien was stopped from trading future picks his team had a right to, you are trying to outdo Stepien by protecting a projected No#1 overall pick the Knicks haven't even won a draft lottery for yet. Against 75 percent odds that they won't get it, if they even stay on course to be the worst record team in the league.

Kevin Durant is a 26 year old MVP, a high IQ player who is essentially a 7 footer with elite long range shooting. Even at 80 percent or even at 50 percent, his talent tier is so high, he would still be a bargain as a risk for future injury for, the Inception like trade rape in a trade rape scenario Briggs has concocted by parroting some NY writer, a single first round draft pick.

NBA GMs are in the business of trying to make their teams better and to win a championship. Again, we are talking about a 26 year old MVP, whose intangibles are off the chart ( good leadership, handles the press well, humble, well liked by team mates and around the league, extremely marketable, would cause interest in any destination franchise to go through the roof) and whose production floor ( a floor spacing Stretch 4 gunner with an elite 3 point shot and high IQ passing in the high post) is so high, that even at a percentage of his former skill set, if it came to that, would still be a valuable asset to any team.

You want me to give you a scenario where someone gives up a future No#1 they don't even have yet for an injured player in a trade?

After I just pointed out, exhaustively, that injured players in Durant's situation don't get traded until they stop being injured, that the Knicks might not win the draft lottery, that OKC would have little to no incentive to trade Durant right now, and if they did, they'd have better options than the Knicks and would get a far higher return than your single draft pick Book Depository/Single Shooter conspiracy theory, and since Durant has leverage, that there is nothing linking him to NY, and if there was, he'd be entering one of the worst possible franchise situations possible.

You want me to prove to you why a trade scenario you concocted, with so many factors making it unlikely ( unlikely is a very generous word here, no chance in hell is probably more appropriate) is plausible and makes sense when you constructed this bizarro shot in the dark trade rape in the first place?

Briggs, only you could be such a gigantic idiot here as to come up with a far fetched trade rape trying to protect a pick the Knicks don't even have yet and OKC would never make and then demand I prove you why it's not a far fetched trade rape. Except in your bizarro version, OKC would be trade raping the Knicks because apparently Kevin Durant is like a piece of trash dumped on the curbside.

Say what you want to take shots about my basketball knowledge, go ahead, but I know this much

If you had a chance, even in a far fetched trade rape in a trade rape Inception scenario created by Briggs, to get a 26 year old MVP/Olympian/scoring champion/top 3 franchise player with off the charts intangibles in Kevin Durant for pennies on the dollar, even with injury risk and even at risk for trading a potential first overall pick, then you run, not walk, you leap up and you snatch that deal. When you get the rare chance at a game changing player, a franchise changing player, you take that risk.

What are the odds of Durant coming back from a Jones Fracture?

Dude, what are the odds that you would get a chance, any chance, in your franchises lifetime to get a proven 26 year old MVP and future Hall of Famer at, factoring in your far fetched trade rape scenario, pennies on the dollar?


Another 5000 word essay with absolutely nothing behind it. TT you have no idea about NBA basketball--you prove it constantly with each post. There is a keen reason why 59/60 picks out of the last 15 years of top 4 picks have not been traded. Why--They have incredible value. 67+% become all stars and franchise players. Yes Kevin Durant was pick #2. TT no team is going to give up a top 3 pick for KD right now(your trade rape?) NOT 1 team. A Jones fracture with multiple failed surgery attempts is SERIOUS and anyone willing to trade for KD would either be giving up their OWN potential franchise player--maybe even more to take on what possibly could be damaged goods. You understand that right---KD could be damaged goods. Its the same injury that has stopped careers in the nBA at young ages--guys Like Bill Walton and Yao Ming. Right now KD is worth NOTHING close to a top pick or a top set of assets UNTIL he can prove he can play 40 + games without incident. What is KD worth to the KNicks while he sits on IR? YEP you got it--zero.

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TPercy
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3/25/2015  11:06 AM
Steph Curry is not a triangle type player? top 4 3PT shooters with a great passing game doesn't equal Traingle?
Was that not why Phil traded for Calderon?
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3/25/2015  11:08 AM
Moonangie wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Moonangie wrote:I'd be happy to acknowledge that getting a healthy KD would be a steal for the Knicks, but there's also no denying that it would be a huge risk. THat said, the draft is a risk, too, in the sense that these kids are not NBA-tested yet.

For me, I'm done with the Starphuck approach. I'd trade Melo for another lottery pick in a heartbeat. I want to see something special get built here in NY, starting with this draft. If we want to blow a wad on a Superstar in a few years, when we have an actual core with whom to contend, then I'd be all in. But not now, not a broken gumby, not at the cost of our future. The hell with that.

would you trade the pick for Steph Curry?

Good question. I absolutely LOVE SC's game, and consider it a terrible misfortune that we missed on him by a single spot in his draft. But as good as he is, he doesn't really make sense for the Knicks' Triangle offense. His talents would be wasted here.

Now if we could ditch the triangle idea and build around Melo and Curry, then OF COURSE I would make that trade, as Curry and Melo compliment each other's games nicely. Not so with KD.

Anyway, hypotheticals aside, I am really stoked to start our rebuild and get back to watching games I care about. Let KD go to DC and help them get a chip while NY rebuilds. In a few years we will be ready to make a big move and get back to contention. For now, it's YOOT HOOPS!!!

You do realize that Steph Curry is enjoying a MVP caliber season running a modified version of the triangle under Steve Kerr...right?

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