CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

Panos wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:If this pick gets traded it might be the proverbial last straw for me as a knicks fan until dolan is gone. I'm not sure I'll be able to handle it.

+1

Let's not be too hasty. The celtics traded their top pick for Ray allen, signed Garnett and proceeded to win a title after having the worst record in the league.

So I would trade the pick for the right body.

you cited one example ... do you actually think that makes it a good move? Since it worked for the celtics?

The Celtics had way more than just Pierce KG and Ray though. They had a damn good supporting cast. We also dont have an Al Jefferson to trade for an older ready to win player either.

and they had to hit big on Rondo to make it work as well. How many things had to go right for that trade to work? too many.

There is some talk in another thread about moving the pick to philly for picks 3 and 12 if the Knicks win the lottery. Obviously Philly would have to want a part of that but if that happened the Knicks might be able to come out of the draft like the Nets did when they traded Eddie Griffin for the picks that became Jefferson and Twin,.

and all that talk is just plain stupid talk. There is no clear number one, not even partially clear.

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

Panos wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:If this pick gets traded it might be the proverbial last straw for me as a knicks fan until dolan is gone. I'm not sure I'll be able to handle it.

+1

Let's not be too hasty. The celtics traded their top pick for Ray allen, signed Garnett and proceeded to win a title after having the worst record in the league.

So I would trade the pick for the right body.

you cited one example ... do you actually think that makes it a good move? Since it worked for the celtics?

The Celtics had way more than just Pierce KG and Ray though. They had a damn good supporting cast. We also dont have an Al Jefferson to trade for an older ready to win player either.

and they had to hit big on Rondo to make it work as well. How many things had to go right for that trade to work? too many.

There is some talk in another thread about moving the pick to philly for picks 3 and 12 if the Knicks win the lottery. Obviously Philly would have to want a part of that but if that happened the Knicks might be able to come out of the draft like the Nets did when they traded Eddie Griffin for the picks that became Jefferson and Twin,.

and all that talk is just plain stupid talk. There is no clear number one, not even partially clear.

That is the case for a lot of conversations on here. What do you do when your team is 14-55 and might have the number one pick? Conversations about how to improve are more enjoyable in my opinion then conversations about how impossible it will be for the Knicks to improve.

how to improve is good talk, how to rape other teams and assuming that everyone else is stupid is stupid talk.

I say we should sign Gasol for 10 years - 30 million. Lets get this done. Obviously if I made such a statement it will be called out as silly talk.

Vmart wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Good article. The only thing I partially disagree with is where the writer suggests that Melo could say "Who the hell is Towns? He might not be very enthusiastic about getting a big, but someone like Russell, feeding him one nifty no look pass after another, that I believe would get his attention. Hopefully they would click like the way Mark Jackson clicked with Ewing.

Melo is a good soldier he is in it for the money. I'm not to worried about what he wants and neither is Phil. Remember Melo wants an ISO Melo coach and he doesn't have that. Melo isn't Michael Jordan or Kobe or Magic Johnson that he can ask for what he wants. I have total confidence in Phil and Dolan. We need to stop speculating and believe in Phil.

you were on a roll UNTIL you said you trusted dolan. Phil i trust but dolan has proven to be the worst owners in sports. He is the main reason we have sucked for 15 years

You guys got Dolan wrong.

not really. Nothing personal but its pretty evident he has been a major problem for years. I cant believe a dolan fan exists lol

+1, have to consider the possibility that:

a) Vmart is pulling our legs
b) It's "opposite" day
c) Vmart is on some new meds that impair cognitive functioning
d) Dolan paid him to say that

You guys are to angry. I don't believe Dolan is a bad owner. I have said this time and again that he spends money and tries real hard to bring in people to get the Knicks in the right direction. He has spent ridiculous amounts just on management. If anything management has screwed this franchise up big time with poor moves. You want to blame anyone blame guys like Isiah, Brown.

I think he has realized his mistake is complete given Phil the Control. You need to lighten up and see an owner trying to do thee right things instead of harping on his mistakes.

That doesn't make sense. The problems long pre-dated those individuals and continued long after them. They are just brief symptoms of an enduring problem. They aren't the problem itself. And spending money doesn't make you a good owner, just a desperate one. Return on investment, not total amount of investment, is what matters. There's no organization in the world where you can say, "I spent a lot of money. That makes me a great owner. Yeah, we got nothing out of it, but give me credit for all the spending."

My problem is that you can't have it both ways..Support the Phil Jackson hire then blame Dolan when it doesn't work..

You have seen fans mega supportive of Donny, MDA and Amare then blame Dolan for offering Amare the contract..Crazy..

what's crazy about that? he is the owner, he has always called the shots and is likely still calling them. his values are quite clear: get big names, acquire talent willy-nilly, and try to get people to make sense out of that clumsy collection.

the problem with the knicks starts and ends with dolan. he attracts bad people because he is a bad person. he alienated good people because he is a bad person. the knicks are a bad franchise because he is a bad person.

if anything is crazy it's that people believe that his deep pockets somehow, someway equate with his being a good owner.

So he can continue to call shots he hires Jackson for $60 million. Make some sense man.

it makes sense that phil jackson accepts 60 million in exchange for accepting the mandate that melo gets paid whatever he wants-- the no trade clause is all dolan, vintage dolan.

dk7th wrote:

Vmart wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Good article. The only thing I partially disagree with is where the writer suggests that Melo could say "Who the hell is Towns? He might not be very enthusiastic about getting a big, but someone like Russell, feeding him one nifty no look pass after another, that I believe would get his attention. Hopefully they would click like the way Mark Jackson clicked with Ewing.

Melo is a good soldier he is in it for the money. I'm not to worried about what he wants and neither is Phil. Remember Melo wants an ISO Melo coach and he doesn't have that. Melo isn't Michael Jordan or Kobe or Magic Johnson that he can ask for what he wants. I have total confidence in Phil and Dolan. We need to stop speculating and believe in Phil.

you were on a roll UNTIL you said you trusted dolan. Phil i trust but dolan has proven to be the worst owners in sports. He is the main reason we have sucked for 15 years

You guys got Dolan wrong.

not really. Nothing personal but its pretty evident he has been a major problem for years. I cant believe a dolan fan exists lol

+1, have to consider the possibility that:

a) Vmart is pulling our legs
b) It's "opposite" day
c) Vmart is on some new meds that impair cognitive functioning
d) Dolan paid him to say that

You guys are to angry. I don't believe Dolan is a bad owner. I have said this time and again that he spends money and tries real hard to bring in people to get the Knicks in the right direction. He has spent ridiculous amounts just on management. If anything management has screwed this franchise up big time with poor moves. You want to blame anyone blame guys like Isiah, Brown.

I think he has realized his mistake is complete given Phil the Control. You need to lighten up and see an owner trying to do thee right things instead of harping on his mistakes.

That doesn't make sense. The problems long pre-dated those individuals and continued long after them. They are just brief symptoms of an enduring problem. They aren't the problem itself. And spending money doesn't make you a good owner, just a desperate one. Return on investment, not total amount of investment, is what matters. There's no organization in the world where you can say, "I spent a lot of money. That makes me a great owner. Yeah, we got nothing out of it, but give me credit for all the spending."

My problem is that you can't have it both ways..Support the Phil Jackson hire then blame Dolan when it doesn't work..

You have seen fans mega supportive of Donny, MDA and Amare then blame Dolan for offering Amare the contract..Crazy..

what's crazy about that? he is the owner, he has always called the shots and is likely still calling them. his values are quite clear: get big names, acquire talent willy-nilly, and try to get people to make sense out of that clumsy collection.

the problem with the knicks starts and ends with dolan. he attracts bad people because he is a bad person. he alienated good people because he is a bad person. the knicks are a bad franchise because he is a bad person.

if anything is crazy it's that people believe that his deep pockets somehow, someway equate with his being a good owner.

So he can continue to call shots he hires Jackson for $60 million. Make some sense man.

it makes sense that phil jackson accepts 60 million in exchange for accepting the mandate that melo gets paid whatever he wants-- the no trade clause is all dolan, vintage dolan.

Phil structured his contract there is no evidence of Dolan giving Melo the no trade. If anything Phil probably talked Dolan into giving Melo the no trade.