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gunsnewing
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3/20/2015  2:05 PM
Not interested in Rondo at all. Breaking down and I don't trust him without KG, Pierce & Allen. A ticking time bomb for whatever team he is on
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3/20/2015  2:06 PM
Knixkik wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:Only thing with Rondo is his health in recent years has sucked. However if he's good with Fisher and Phil and signed here I would be estatic. He's got good value even when he's grumpy Rondo. When he's happy rondo your getting one of the best guards in the game. Defensively he's still one of the best and he's one of the best rebounding and assist guards out there.

There is a downside wit him, but the upside to me makes it a gimme.

Trading the pick for Durant... yikes. I actually think they could do better if they went down that avenue to be honest

this would officially the worst move that we can.

Rondo has been a terrible player for years. TERRIBLE

He's been hurt for the last three years, much of it has been bad luck. 3 year ago before he got hurt he was very very good... 14ppg, 11assists, 5.5boards, almost 2 steals and shooting 48% and top flight defense... I mean he was at his best. He got hurt and that was the year Knicks beat Celtic in the playoffs. The next two years he's been coming back and hasnt played well over all... your right about that.

He's been up and down in Dallas. Some great some terrible.

He has been awful for 5 years. Really awful.

He is the perfect example of the eye test fooling the crap out of people.

Saying he has been really awful is really exaggerating.

you would think so but it is not. maybe really really awful for only 3.

Oh ... and he also has been injured a lot which was probably a blessing for his teams.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/20/2015  2:07 PM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:Only thing with Rondo is his health in recent years has sucked. However if he's good with Fisher and Phil and signed here I would be estatic. He's got good value even when he's grumpy Rondo. When he's happy rondo your getting one of the best guards in the game. Defensively he's still one of the best and he's one of the best rebounding and assist guards out there.

There is a downside wit him, but the upside to me makes it a gimme.

Trading the pick for Durant... yikes. I actually think they could do better if they went down that avenue to be honest

this would officially the worst move that we can.

Rondo has been a terrible player for years. TERRIBLE

He's been hurt for the last three years, much of it has been bad luck. 3 year ago before he got hurt he was very very good... 14ppg, 11assists, 5.5boards, almost 2 steals and shooting 48% and top flight defense... I mean he was at his best. He got hurt and that was the year Knicks beat Celtic in the playoffs. The next two years he's been coming back and hasnt played well over all... your right about that.

He's been up and down in Dallas. Some great some terrible.

He has been awful for 5 years. Really awful.

He is the perfect example of the eye test fooling the crap out of people.

So you dont like him?
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3/20/2015  2:09 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:Only thing with Rondo is his health in recent years has sucked. However if he's good with Fisher and Phil and signed here I would be estatic. He's got good value even when he's grumpy Rondo. When he's happy rondo your getting one of the best guards in the game. Defensively he's still one of the best and he's one of the best rebounding and assist guards out there.

There is a downside wit him, but the upside to me makes it a gimme.

Trading the pick for Durant... yikes. I actually think they could do better if they went down that avenue to be honest

this would officially the worst move that we can.

Rondo has been a terrible player for years. TERRIBLE

He's been hurt for the last three years, much of it has been bad luck. 3 year ago before he got hurt he was very very good... 14ppg, 11assists, 5.5boards, almost 2 steals and shooting 48% and top flight defense... I mean he was at his best. He got hurt and that was the year Knicks beat Celtic in the playoffs. The next two years he's been coming back and hasnt played well over all... your right about that.

He's been up and down in Dallas. Some great some terrible.

He has been awful for 5 years. Really awful.

He is the perfect example of the eye test fooling the crap out of people.

So you dont like him?

as a drinking buddy or for sympathy pain for my injuries, I love him.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/20/2015  2:11 PM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:Only thing with Rondo is his health in recent years has sucked. However if he's good with Fisher and Phil and signed here I would be estatic. He's got good value even when he's grumpy Rondo. When he's happy rondo your getting one of the best guards in the game. Defensively he's still one of the best and he's one of the best rebounding and assist guards out there.

There is a downside wit him, but the upside to me makes it a gimme.

Trading the pick for Durant... yikes. I actually think they could do better if they went down that avenue to be honest

this would officially the worst move that we can.

Rondo has been a terrible player for years. TERRIBLE

He's been hurt for the last three years, much of it has been bad luck. 3 year ago before he got hurt he was very very good... 14ppg, 11assists, 5.5boards, almost 2 steals and shooting 48% and top flight defense... I mean he was at his best. He got hurt and that was the year Knicks beat Celtic in the playoffs. The next two years he's been coming back and hasnt played well over all... your right about that.

He's been up and down in Dallas. Some great some terrible.

He has been awful for 5 years. Really awful.

He is the perfect example of the eye test fooling the crap out of people.

So you dont like him?

as a drinking buddy or for sympathy pain for my injuries, I love him.

ha... maybe thats the source of my soft spot
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3/20/2015  2:12 PM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:Only thing with Rondo is his health in recent years has sucked. However if he's good with Fisher and Phil and signed here I would be estatic. He's got good value even when he's grumpy Rondo. When he's happy rondo your getting one of the best guards in the game. Defensively he's still one of the best and he's one of the best rebounding and assist guards out there.

There is a downside wit him, but the upside to me makes it a gimme.

Trading the pick for Durant... yikes. I actually think they could do better if they went down that avenue to be honest

this would officially the worst move that we can.

Rondo has been a terrible player for years. TERRIBLE

He's been hurt for the last three years, much of it has been bad luck. 3 year ago before he got hurt he was very very good... 14ppg, 11assists, 5.5boards, almost 2 steals and shooting 48% and top flight defense... I mean he was at his best. He got hurt and that was the year Knicks beat Celtic in the playoffs. The next two years he's been coming back and hasnt played well over all... your right about that.

He's been up and down in Dallas. Some great some terrible.

He has been awful for 5 years. Really awful.

He is the perfect example of the eye test fooling the crap out of people.

He hasn't even passed the eye test for at least the past two seasons!

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3/20/2015  2:12 PM
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:Only thing with Rondo is his health in recent years has sucked. However if he's good with Fisher and Phil and signed here I would be estatic. He's got good value even when he's grumpy Rondo. When he's happy rondo your getting one of the best guards in the game. Defensively he's still one of the best and he's one of the best rebounding and assist guards out there.

There is a downside wit him, but the upside to me makes it a gimme.

Trading the pick for Durant... yikes. I actually think they could do better if they went down that avenue to be honest

this would officially the worst move that we can.

Rondo has been a terrible player for years. TERRIBLE

He's been hurt for the last three years, much of it has been bad luck. 3 year ago before he got hurt he was very very good... 14ppg, 11assists, 5.5boards, almost 2 steals and shooting 48% and top flight defense... I mean he was at his best. He got hurt and that was the year Knicks beat Celtic in the playoffs. The next two years he's been coming back and hasnt played well over all... your right about that.

He's been up and down in Dallas. Some great some terrible.

He has been awful for 5 years. Really awful.

He is the perfect example of the eye test fooling the crap out of people.

He hasn't even passed the eye test for at least the past two seasons!

he obviously has passed many people's eye test.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/20/2015  2:20 PM
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crzymdups wrote:
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Thunder GM Sam Presti says All-Star forward Kevin Durant (foot) will be “removed from basketball activities on floor”

Its a lock now we will trade for Durant and his fckd up foot guarantee. You kdding me??

It's the second time this year with that foot. I worry it'll be a Yao Ming or Brook Lopez recurring injury.

If the Knicks make that trade... man... I dunno.


Despite what I just said in a previous post, I would not make this kind of deal after hearing about this re-injury. Now you're talking about taking on damaged goods.

Don't think Phil would consider this either (I hope).

Walt we traded for A Mcdyess with a damaged knee for pick 7 we gave amare 100mm against mds advice--go back 15 years every stupid move conceivable ahs taken place. They haev a doctor--Callahan who says everyone is ok to play under Dolan orders. Its a fcked up team and now Dolan has Jackson taking 12mm a year to blame himself. Why would phil care?


Yeah... I remember McDyess. Good guy, was a fine player, but we sure as heck picked him up at the wrong time.

As far as Amare- you could have retained the less "sexy" Lee for about $10M/year less, and he would have given us more than Amare ended up giving us. Took the gamble, and we lost with him.

The franchise set itself up for this kind of thing as soon as Anthony got his recent contract, though. No other way to look at it. I understand why Phil might have felt compelled to do it, but you have to accept the consequences of your actions, Phil put a time limit on himself that will probably require him to make moves many fans will be disappointed with.

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3/20/2015  2:23 PM
Dammit Briggs why make this thread now as I'm trying to enjoy the NCAA tournament for the first time in years. Now I have ajida. My day is ruined
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3/20/2015  2:27 PM
Hahn needs to earn his pay and watch college hoops if he is going to suggest something as stupid as trading this year's lottery pick. He clearly has t been watching and copying the usual rhetoric you hear from the media
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3/20/2015  2:28 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Marc J. SpearsVerified account ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

Thunder GM Sam Presti says All-Star forward Kevin Durant (foot) will be “removed from basketball activities on floor”

Its a lock now we will trade for Durant and his fckd up foot guarantee. You kdding me??

It's the second time this year with that foot. I worry it'll be a Yao Ming or Brook Lopez recurring injury.

If the Knicks make that trade... man... I dunno.


Despite what I just said in a previous post, I would not make this kind of deal after hearing about this re-injury. Now you're talking about taking on damaged goods.

Don't think Phil would consider this either (I hope).

Walt we traded for A Mcdyess with a damaged knee for pick 7 we gave amare 100mm against mds advice--go back 15 years every stupid move conceivable ahs taken place. They haev a doctor--Callahan who says everyone is ok to play under Dolan orders. Its a fcked up team and now Dolan has Jackson taking 12mm a year to blame himself. Why would phil care?

Not to mention they may have just fcuked their $125M investment in Melo just to make sure he started in the all-star game at MSG... so what... the league thought the Knicks weren't a joke? The Knicks with the worst record in the league? ranked 121 out of 122 major sports franchises in this country?

I love when people expect Dolan to suddenly stop running this team and for the team to start behaving rationally. Ignoring trading Camby and Nene for McDyess, ignoring trading LaMarcus Aldridge and Joakim Noah for Eddy Curry, ignoring trading 2 picks for Marbury, ignoring that Dolan tried to re-hire Isiah Thomas, ignoring Donnie Walsh just walking out the door and never looking back after Dolan traded half the team for Melo, ignoring Larry Brown calling this team a laughing stock, ignoring David Stern calling the team a laughing stock, ignoring that we don't have a single draft pick on the roster from the 2000s despite having the worst record in the league in the 2000s...

I want it all to change so badly. I really do. But I have been paying attention to how Dolan works, man. This isn't Phil's team. It's Dolan's.

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3/20/2015  2:32 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Marc J. SpearsVerified account ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

Thunder GM Sam Presti says All-Star forward Kevin Durant (foot) will be “removed from basketball activities on floor”

Its a lock now we will trade for Durant and his fckd up foot guarantee. You kdding me??

It's the second time this year with that foot. I worry it'll be a Yao Ming or Brook Lopez recurring injury.

If the Knicks make that trade... man... I dunno.


Despite what I just said in a previous post, I would not make this kind of deal after hearing about this re-injury. Now you're talking about taking on damaged goods.

Don't think Phil would consider this either (I hope).

Walt we traded for A Mcdyess with a damaged knee for pick 7 we gave amare 100mm against mds advice--go back 15 years every stupid move conceivable ahs taken place. They haev a doctor--Callahan who says everyone is ok to play under Dolan orders. Its a fcked up team and now Dolan has Jackson taking 12mm a year to blame himself. Why would phil care?


Yeah... I remember McDyess. Good guy, was a fine player, but we sure as heck picked him up at the wrong time.

As far as Amare- you could have retained the less "sexy" Lee for about $10M/year less, and he would have given us more than Amare ended up giving us. Took the gamble, and we lost with him.

The franchise set itself up for this kind of thing as soon as Anthony got his recent contract, though. No other way to look at it. I understand why Phil might have felt compelled to do it, but you have to accept the consequences of your actions, Phil put a time limit on himself that will probably require him to make moves many fans will be disappointed with.

The best thing Phil can do is set us up for longer term success. Every last fan will acknowledge this--its also better for the Knicks ownership. I will point out what happened to the Lakers with D Howard--free agency is a place that is unknown. With Carmelo coming off major injury Phils fiduciary responsibility to the fans is to set us up longer term.

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3/20/2015  2:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/20/2015  2:38 PM
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:Only thing with Rondo is his health in recent years has sucked. However if he's good with Fisher and Phil and signed here I would be estatic. He's got good value even when he's grumpy Rondo. When he's happy rondo your getting one of the best guards in the game. Defensively he's still one of the best and he's one of the best rebounding and assist guards out there.

There is a downside wit him, but the upside to me makes it a gimme.

Trading the pick for Durant... yikes. I actually think they could do better if they went down that avenue to be honest

this would officially the worst move that we can.

Rondo has been a terrible player for years. TERRIBLE

He's been hurt for the last three years, much of it has been bad luck. 3 year ago before he got hurt he was very very good... 14ppg, 11assists, 5.5boards, almost 2 steals and shooting 48% and top flight defense... I mean he was at his best. He got hurt and that was the year Knicks beat Celtic in the playoffs. The next two years he's been coming back and hasnt played well over all... your right about that.

He's been up and down in Dallas. Some great some terrible.

He has been awful for 5 years. Really awful.

He is the perfect example of the eye test fooling the crap out of people.

Saying he has been really awful is really exaggerating.

you would think so but it is not. maybe really really awful for only 3.

Oh ... and he also has been injured a lot which was probably a blessing for his teams.

While i don't disagree that his injuries and inconsistent play don't make him that attractive, i am not sure who here really wants him. You seem to be the only person here saying he passes the eye test, not sure who he is fooling. He's a big name, if that's what you mean, but not being able to stay on the floor is a problem. But regardless of all of this, he's still a pretty good player when he plays. Dallas wanted him for a reason. He is what he is at this point in his career.

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http://grantland.com/the-triangle/new-york-knicks-phil-jackson-2015-nba-draft/

Until the bounty of this summer’s draft lottery/free-agency harvest comes in, it’s impossible to pass judgment on Phil Jackson’s first season in charge of the Knicks. Now, Jackson’s deck-clearing moves, including those that sent J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert, and Tyson Chandler off to thrive in greener fields for scant returns, were concerning. The torrent of losses that followed has been tough to endure for anyone who follows the team for love or profit. But those trades and the subsequent unmitigated curb-stompings are just a means to an end: Get better players.

While it’s too early to judge, it’s not too early to get scared when faced with Jackson’s recent comments about prioritizing free agency, along with reports that the Knicks have explored the possibility of trading their first-round pick.1 Such a decision would repeat the ignominious history of the past 40 years while ignoring what brought the team its only two titles — something Jackson should know a little bit about.

Beyond the rings, much of Jackson’s allure as an executive comes from his history with the Knicks as a player. He was there for New York’s only two championships: on the sideline recuperating from spinal fusion surgery in 1969-70, and as an important bench goon in 1972-73. Who better to guide the Knicks through the woods and up to the mountaintop than a guy who’s seen the map?

The Knicks finished the 1966-67 season with a 36-45 record. It was the team’s eighth consecutive losing campaign. That offseason, the Knicks drafted Walt Frazier and some guy named Phil Jackson. The next season, the Knicks won 43 games. Two seasons after that, they won their first championship.

The Knicks began the 1969-70 season by winning nine of their first 10 games. Leonard Koppett, writing in the New York Times, examined the reasons for the team’s seemingly overnight ascent out of a years-long morasse: improved scouting and drafting strategies; smart, timely trades; excellent leadership from the front office and coaching staff; a willingness to spend money (something that, to be fair, has never been a problem). Lastly, Koppett cites “A sensible, but by no means easy, commitment five years ago to maximum development of young players, even if it meant fewer immediate victories — a policy that was completely opposite of the policy that had driven the Knicks deep into the cellar in the preceding five years.”

phil-jackson-walt-frazierBILL MEURER/NY DAILY NEWS ARCHIVE

In the decades following the team’s two championships in 1970 and 1973, every Knicks administration has begun its reign by loudly stating its intention to return the team to those crowning glories of the past. Each incoming savior is anointed with headlines and glittering press conferences, only to be defrocked and cast aside for whomever comes next. With each year that passes, the mania for a title only becomes more blinding. The local press wants to know when it will happen; the fans pray they live to see it happen; and the team continues to vow that, with just a few more moves, it will happen. Pressure builds. Over and over again, the Knicks fall under the spell of a theoretical quick turnaround while aggressively ignoring the lessons of those two titles.

In a vacuum, the Knicks gauging the market for their pick is a logical, even responsible, thing to do. No matter how ballyhooed, draft picks are never sure things and rarely make an impact right away. Carmelo Anthony is 30, and the ink on his five-year, $125 million contract is still wet to the touch. If there are deals floating in the opaque offseason miasma that could deliver an established, known quantity to partner with Melo while he still has knees, well, it’s kind of Jackson’s responsibility to explore that.

Veteran stars, generally, do not enjoy babysitting rooks.2 Let us recall 2007 and the pixelated cell-phone video of a jocular Kobe Bryant in the Del Amo mall parking lot or wherever, suggesting that the Lakers should “ship out” Andrew Bynum, who was then 19 years old and not even 24 months removed from being the 10th pick in the 2005 draft. At the 2007 trade deadline, the Lakers had a deal lined up for Jason Kidd but refused to part with Bynum.

Melo is much more passive-aggressive than Kobe, but it’s not a stretch to imagine him being like, “Who the **** is this Towns kid?” while nursing his surgically repaired knee and poring over his portfolio of tech stocks and third-most-well-known car service apps. Keeping stars happy is part of a GM’s job description.

That’s the thing about deals that exchange long-range potential for short-term impact: In close-up isolation, they make sense. It’s only years later, when those traded picks and players begin flowering elsewhere, that the true costs become clear. Prioritizing established players is fine. But the flip side is that if a team prioritizes veterans and free-agency acquisitions, as the Knicks have done time and time again, that team naturally runs the risk of giving player development short shrift. As the Wall Street Journal’s Chris Herring points out:

The problem isn’t poor drafting. In fact, the Knicks have had three first-team All-Rookie selections—Landry Fields in 2011, Iman Shumpert in 2012 and Tim Hardaway Jr. in 2014—in the past four years, more than any other team during that span. The problem is that those players have all regressed offensively in their second full seasons. You have to go back seven years, to Danilo Gallinari, to find the last Knicks draft pick who was better in his second full season than in his first.

News flash: The Knicks should be thinking bigger than the confines of their five-year deal with a 30-year-old scorer who held off on knee surgery so he could play in the All-Star Game. Trading their pick to build around Melo wouldn’t be quite the same order of magnitude as forgoing the Ewing pick to focus on Bernard King would’ve been, but the logic is exactly the same. Patience is key for rebuilding, which is why Jackson’s comments suggesting he only took the New York job because Jeanie Buss nagged him about getting out of the house are bone chilling for Knicks fans. “If I’m not here four or five years down the road,” Jackson said, “then I have a young coach I believe in who will complete it.”

In 2007, when Kobe was freaking out over Bynum’s developmental arc and demanding a trade, Jackson helped talk Kobe off the ledge, and GM Mitch Kupchak didn’t bow to the pressure, internal or otherwise. The Lakers went to three NBA Finals in a row, winning two.

Thirty-eight years before, Koppett ended that New York Times piece like this:

To return to the original question: how did the Knicks get so good so fast? The hard way — by building. It’s the only reliable way in any sport, and it only looks “sudden” when it pays off.

I just hope Jackson remembers.

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3/20/2015  2:43 PM
Knixkik wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:Only thing with Rondo is his health in recent years has sucked. However if he's good with Fisher and Phil and signed here I would be estatic. He's got good value even when he's grumpy Rondo. When he's happy rondo your getting one of the best guards in the game. Defensively he's still one of the best and he's one of the best rebounding and assist guards out there.

There is a downside wit him, but the upside to me makes it a gimme.

Trading the pick for Durant... yikes. I actually think they could do better if they went down that avenue to be honest

this would officially the worst move that we can.

Rondo has been a terrible player for years. TERRIBLE

He's been hurt for the last three years, much of it has been bad luck. 3 year ago before he got hurt he was very very good... 14ppg, 11assists, 5.5boards, almost 2 steals and shooting 48% and top flight defense... I mean he was at his best. He got hurt and that was the year Knicks beat Celtic in the playoffs. The next two years he's been coming back and hasnt played well over all... your right about that.

He's been up and down in Dallas. Some great some terrible.

He has been awful for 5 years. Really awful.

He is the perfect example of the eye test fooling the crap out of people.

Saying he has been really awful is really exaggerating.

you would think so but it is not. maybe really really awful for only 3.

Oh ... and he also has been injured a lot which was probably a blessing for his teams.

While i don't disagree that his injuries and inconsistent play don't make him that attractive, i am not sure who here really wants him. You seem to be the only person here saying he passes the eye test, not sure who he is fooling. He's a big name, if that's what you mean, but not being able to stay on the floor is a problem. But regardless of all of this, he's still a pretty good player when he plays. Dallas wanted him for a reason. He is what he is at this point in his career.

Dallas going for him was the dumbest move that I have seen since some idiot team traded for Bargnani.

And no. When he actually plays, he has become one of the biggest negative sum players in the league.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/20/2015  2:46 PM
Rajon Rondo has been brutal since coming back form his injury and has no skills for the triangle. If a fan says he wants him he simply doesnt know the sport.
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3/20/2015  2:50 PM
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:Only thing with Rondo is his health in recent years has sucked. However if he's good with Fisher and Phil and signed here I would be estatic. He's got good value even when he's grumpy Rondo. When he's happy rondo your getting one of the best guards in the game. Defensively he's still one of the best and he's one of the best rebounding and assist guards out there.

There is a downside wit him, but the upside to me makes it a gimme.

Trading the pick for Durant... yikes. I actually think they could do better if they went down that avenue to be honest

this would officially the worst move that we can.

Rondo has been a terrible player for years. TERRIBLE

He's been hurt for the last three years, much of it has been bad luck. 3 year ago before he got hurt he was very very good... 14ppg, 11assists, 5.5boards, almost 2 steals and shooting 48% and top flight defense... I mean he was at his best. He got hurt and that was the year Knicks beat Celtic in the playoffs. The next two years he's been coming back and hasnt played well over all... your right about that.

He's been up and down in Dallas. Some great some terrible.

He has been awful for 5 years. Really awful.

He is the perfect example of the eye test fooling the crap out of people.

Saying he has been really awful is really exaggerating.

you would think so but it is not. maybe really really awful for only 3.

Oh ... and he also has been injured a lot which was probably a blessing for his teams.

While i don't disagree that his injuries and inconsistent play don't make him that attractive, i am not sure who here really wants him. You seem to be the only person here saying he passes the eye test, not sure who he is fooling. He's a big name, if that's what you mean, but not being able to stay on the floor is a problem. But regardless of all of this, he's still a pretty good player when he plays. Dallas wanted him for a reason. He is what he is at this point in his career.

Dallas going for him was the dumbest move that I have seen since some idiot team traded for Bargnani.

And no. When he actually plays, he has become one of the biggest negative sum players in the league.

I would be interested to see the numbers behind that. I did not realize he was one of the worst players in the league, as you are indicating. Sounds like any offer he gets over the minimum will be a bad signing then.

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3/20/2015  2:52 PM
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:Only thing with Rondo is his health in recent years has sucked. However if he's good with Fisher and Phil and signed here I would be estatic. He's got good value even when he's grumpy Rondo. When he's happy rondo your getting one of the best guards in the game. Defensively he's still one of the best and he's one of the best rebounding and assist guards out there.

There is a downside wit him, but the upside to me makes it a gimme.

Trading the pick for Durant... yikes. I actually think they could do better if they went down that avenue to be honest

this would officially the worst move that we can.

Rondo has been a terrible player for years. TERRIBLE

He's been hurt for the last three years, much of it has been bad luck. 3 year ago before he got hurt he was very very good... 14ppg, 11assists, 5.5boards, almost 2 steals and shooting 48% and top flight defense... I mean he was at his best. He got hurt and that was the year Knicks beat Celtic in the playoffs. The next two years he's been coming back and hasnt played well over all... your right about that.

He's been up and down in Dallas. Some great some terrible.

He has been awful for 5 years. Really awful.

He is the perfect example of the eye test fooling the crap out of people.

Saying he has been really awful is really exaggerating.

you would think so but it is not. maybe really really awful for only 3.

Oh ... and he also has been injured a lot which was probably a blessing for his teams.

While i don't disagree that his injuries and inconsistent play don't make him that attractive, i am not sure who here really wants him. You seem to be the only person here saying he passes the eye test, not sure who he is fooling. He's a big name, if that's what you mean, but not being able to stay on the floor is a problem. But regardless of all of this, he's still a pretty good player when he plays. Dallas wanted him for a reason. He is what he is at this point in his career.

Dallas going for him was the dumbest move that I have seen since some idiot team traded for Bargnani.

And no. When he actually plays, he has become one of the biggest negative sum players in the league.


Dallas was hoping that the change would rejuvenate him, I suppose.

They have a good pick&roll partner for him in Chandler, and 3 shooters for him to look for in Dirk, Parsons, and Ellis.

You don't want him in the Triangle, but I though he could be pretty good in Dallas if he bought into their system.

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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I think Jax has to listen, but that don't mean he has to act.

If he traded the pick down to get two great picks is a smart thing to entertain.

Im long on record that winning starts with "Changing the decision making process". Since we figure out starphuching don't work, and Dolan hired a consulting firm which led to hiring phil I hope the change is well underway.

Im also long on record that a "Foundation must be dug out first", that means cleaning house.
This will take some time, but we have better people in place than a year ago.

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3/20/2015  2:55 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:Only thing with Rondo is his health in recent years has sucked. However if he's good with Fisher and Phil and signed here I would be estatic. He's got good value even when he's grumpy Rondo. When he's happy rondo your getting one of the best guards in the game. Defensively he's still one of the best and he's one of the best rebounding and assist guards out there.

There is a downside wit him, but the upside to me makes it a gimme.

Trading the pick for Durant... yikes. I actually think they could do better if they went down that avenue to be honest

this would officially the worst move that we can.

Rondo has been a terrible player for years. TERRIBLE

He's been hurt for the last three years, much of it has been bad luck. 3 year ago before he got hurt he was very very good... 14ppg, 11assists, 5.5boards, almost 2 steals and shooting 48% and top flight defense... I mean he was at his best. He got hurt and that was the year Knicks beat Celtic in the playoffs. The next two years he's been coming back and hasnt played well over all... your right about that.

He's been up and down in Dallas. Some great some terrible.

He has been awful for 5 years. Really awful.

He is the perfect example of the eye test fooling the crap out of people.

Saying he has been really awful is really exaggerating.

you would think so but it is not. maybe really really awful for only 3.

Oh ... and he also has been injured a lot which was probably a blessing for his teams.

While i don't disagree that his injuries and inconsistent play don't make him that attractive, i am not sure who here really wants him. You seem to be the only person here saying he passes the eye test, not sure who he is fooling. He's a big name, if that's what you mean, but not being able to stay on the floor is a problem. But regardless of all of this, he's still a pretty good player when he plays. Dallas wanted him for a reason. He is what he is at this point in his career.

Dallas going for him was the dumbest move that I have seen since some idiot team traded for Bargnani.

And no. When he actually plays, he has become one of the biggest negative sum players in the league.


Dallas was hoping that the change would rejuvenate him, I suppose.

They have a good pick&roll partner for him in Chandler, and 3 shooters for him to look for in Dirk, Parsons, and Ellis.

You don't want him in the Triangle, but I though he could be pretty good in Dallas if he bought into their system.

Yeah he's definitely not a triangle PG thats for sure. I just don't think he's as bad as some people say. But i wouldn't want to sign him for what he will demand, that's for sure.

Alan Hahn was trying to lay the foundation yesterday for the Knicks trading the overall pick #1 for KD

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