BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I've come to think of it like this.

IF Duke played PLumlee at C Okafor at 4--there would be zero debate who the number #1 pick is. I realized watching last game finally---Duke simply plays small when they could stand to play big. They put a LOT on a freshmen to carry the team both ways and hes not equipped to do it by himself in the middle where he ash some flaw. But if they started the season with Plumlee in the middle--no one would say boo about his D and he'd have the same numbers. It just took me time to realize--and Im not stepping on coach KIs shoes but he really should start Plumlee at C and play a traditional line up. They could never match Kentucky without the double big. They could just rotate Plumlee Okafor and Jefferson. Playing at 6-10 with a 6-6 PF who should be a 3--thats small and Okafor is a 4 not a 5

OK4... 6'11 with a 7'6 wingpan at 270 lbs with a pure under the rim post game and you want him at PF. I simply dont get this notion that he should be a PF. Why? Because Duncan called himself a PF for all these years?

I dont want OK4 guarding 4s and on offense I dont want him anway further than 8 feet from the basket where he's shooting just under 70%. OK4's FG% is higher than anything I can remember. I started poking around for other NCAA bigs:
OK4 .669
Sgaq .628 (best - sophmore)
Hakeem .675 (best - JR season)
Zo .603 (best - FR season)

I gave up after that... at 19 OK4 is poised to be one of the best scoring bigs in the game. Ever

Lamarcus Aldridge is 6-1 260 with a 7-4 wingspan and hes a 4. Blake Friffin is 6-10 255 with a 40 inch verticla and hes a 4. Okafor is a 4 man. Its how he plays--hes a 4.

Yea ok4 he will do more damage against 4's but he will struggle defensively against NBA 4's.

At Center you might be able to mask his slow feet but he is not going to have as easy a time shooting over 7+ footers

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:there is absolutely nothing raw about towns... he is producing at a high level...

he certainly does what he's asked. I 100% agree. Whats his NBA skill set?

He can defend, pass extremely well, rebound and can actually shoot from anywhere. He also has a beautiful stroke at the free throw line.

Can OK4 shoot? Defend? Shoot a high FT?

Ok4 can bang down low but I am not too interested in another Al Jefferson.

This.

1.Towns
2.Ok4
3.Russell or Mudiay. Really not sure about this one. Gonna have to wait til individual workouts to decide.

1. Towns
2. Russell
3. Ok4
4. Stein
5. Mudiay?? (picking him is really pissing on a windy night IMHO)

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:how about Marc...? Aldridge is a jumper shooter. Blake is smaller and faster than OK4... Blake measured 6'9 with a 7 foot wingspan at the combine. OK4 6'11 with a 7'5 wspan.

Again.. I dont want OK4 more than a booger flick away from the paint.

He's got a center's game and body. Agree to disagree I suppose

Triangle has a high post position and a low post position. I'm sure Phil would play him very much like a traditional center if given the opportunity.

Though in the games I've watched OK4 he has reminded me a lot more of Pau Gasol than Marc Gasol. Not based on size, based on the way he plays and moves. Pau Gasol did very very well in the triangle. Didn't he shoot like 60% his first half season in LA? (looked it up, Pau shot .589 his first half season in LA)

As was said, you really want him near the basket, unless he has some skills that he's kept hidden up to this point.

He also has to get up to the high 60/low 70s percentage-wise as a FT shooter.

WaltLongmire wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:how about Marc...? Aldridge is a jumper shooter. Blake is smaller and faster than OK4... Blake measured 6'9 with a 7 foot wingspan at the combine. OK4 6'11 with a 7'5 wspan.

Again.. I dont want OK4 more than a booger flick away from the paint.

He's got a center's game and body. Agree to disagree I suppose

Triangle has a high post position and a low post position. I'm sure Phil would play him very much like a traditional center if given the opportunity.

Though in the games I've watched OK4 he has reminded me a lot more of Pau Gasol than Marc Gasol. Not based on size, based on the way he plays and moves. Pau Gasol did very very well in the triangle. Didn't he shoot like 60% his first half season in LA? (looked it up, Pau shot .589 his first half season in LA)

We've seen the ball being dumped into the post on a regular basis, so on the offensive end, you can see how he could be used in that position.

As was said, you really want him near the basket, unless he has some skills that he's kept hidden up to this point.

He also has to get up to the high 60/low 70s percentage-wise as a FT shooter.

Does he? It won't effect his FG so who cares ...

gunsnewing wrote:

Vmart wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I've come to think of it like this.

IF Duke played PLumlee at C Okafor at 4--there would be zero debate who the number #1 pick is. I realized watching last game finally---Duke simply plays small when they could stand to play big. They put a LOT on a freshmen to carry the team both ways and hes not equipped to do it by himself in the middle where he ash some flaw. But if they started the season with Plumlee in the middle--no one would say boo about his D and he'd have the same numbers. It just took me time to realize--and Im not stepping on coach KIs shoes but he really should start Plumlee at C and play a traditional line up. They could never match Kentucky without the double big. They could just rotate Plumlee Okafor and Jefferson. Playing at 6-10 with a 6-6 PF who should be a 3--thats small and Okafor is a 4 not a 5

OK4... 6'11 with a 7'6 wingpan at 270 lbs with a pure under the rim post game and you want him at PF. I simply dont get this notion that he should be a PF. Why? Because Duncan called himself a PF for all these years?

I dont want OK4 guarding 4s and on offense I dont want him anway further than 8 feet from the basket where he's shooting just under 70%. OK4's FG% is higher than anything I can remember. I started poking around for other NCAA bigs:
OK4 .669
Sgaq .628 (best - sophmore)
Hakeem .675 (best - JR season)
Zo .603 (best - FR season)

I gave up after that... at 19 OK4 is poised to be one of the best scoring bigs in the game. Ever

"Back in the day" OK4 might have been able play at PF. Have to think he would have a terrible time trying to guard stretch 4 type players these days, and on offense, like you say, you don't want him starting out far from the basket when he has such a great post-up game.

The real issue for me with OK4, if we get him, is that I believe Anthony will have to play PF at some point (very possibly next year), which is great for us on offense, but terrible on D, if you have OK4 at 5 and Anthony at 4, and OK4 is does not prove to be an acceptable defender.

Towns is generally thought of as the guy who you are choosing based on potential, but in OK4's case, you are also taking him believing that he has the potential to be an NBA quality defender, and I have not seen that kind of ability in the games I've seen him play.

Walt OK4 is a good defender, just as good as KAT, Duke needs OK4 on the floor. Where as Kentucky doesn't necessarily need KAT on the floor. He can go hard on the defensive end. OK4 has to hold back on the defensive end he can't get into foul trouble lets face it Duke isn't as loaded as Kentucky.

KENTUCKY absolutely needs Towns on the floor. He single handledly help secure Their perfect record by being the go to guy down the stretch when they needed a bucket. On multiple occasions.

Ok4 can do the same offensively but what about defensively?

Remember when Amare used to get HUGE clutch baskets and then give it right back on defense? How many games did we lose alternating baskets when we were down and needed to lock down a few possessions to win but could not?

Yes they need KAT on the floor but not to the extent that OK4 is needed on the floor for Duke. I can see Kentucky being a number one seed without KAT, but I can't see Duke being A number one without OK4. Ok4 can't take the chances that KAT can take on the defensive end.

Vmart wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Vmart wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I've come to think of it like this.

IF Duke played PLumlee at C Okafor at 4--there would be zero debate who the number #1 pick is. I realized watching last game finally---Duke simply plays small when they could stand to play big. They put a LOT on a freshmen to carry the team both ways and hes not equipped to do it by himself in the middle where he ash some flaw. But if they started the season with Plumlee in the middle--no one would say boo about his D and he'd have the same numbers. It just took me time to realize--and Im not stepping on coach KIs shoes but he really should start Plumlee at C and play a traditional line up. They could never match Kentucky without the double big. They could just rotate Plumlee Okafor and Jefferson. Playing at 6-10 with a 6-6 PF who should be a 3--thats small and Okafor is a 4 not a 5

OK4... 6'11 with a 7'6 wingpan at 270 lbs with a pure under the rim post game and you want him at PF. I simply dont get this notion that he should be a PF. Why? Because Duncan called himself a PF for all these years?

I dont want OK4 guarding 4s and on offense I dont want him anway further than 8 feet from the basket where he's shooting just under 70%. OK4's FG% is higher than anything I can remember. I started poking around for other NCAA bigs:
OK4 .669
Sgaq .628 (best - sophmore)
Hakeem .675 (best - JR season)
Zo .603 (best - FR season)

I gave up after that... at 19 OK4 is poised to be one of the best scoring bigs in the game. Ever

"Back in the day" OK4 might have been able play at PF. Have to think he would have a terrible time trying to guard stretch 4 type players these days, and on offense, like you say, you don't want him starting out far from the basket when he has such a great post-up game.

The real issue for me with OK4, if we get him, is that I believe Anthony will have to play PF at some point (very possibly next year), which is great for us on offense, but terrible on D, if you have OK4 at 5 and Anthony at 4, and OK4 is does not prove to be an acceptable defender.

Towns is generally thought of as the guy who you are choosing based on potential, but in OK4's case, you are also taking him believing that he has the potential to be an NBA quality defender, and I have not seen that kind of ability in the games I've seen him play.

Walt OK4 is a good defender, just as good as KAT, Duke needs OK4 on the floor. Where as Kentucky doesn't necessarily need KAT on the floor. He can go hard on the defensive end. OK4 has to hold back on the defensive end he can't get into foul trouble lets face it Duke isn't as loaded as Kentucky.

KENTUCKY absolutely needs Towns on the floor. He single handledly help secure Their perfect record by being the go to guy down the stretch when they needed a bucket. On multiple occasions.

Ok4 can do the same offensively but what about defensively?

Remember when Amare used to get HUGE clutch baskets and then give it right back on defense? How many games did we lose alternating baskets when we were down and needed to lock down a few possessions to win but could not?

Yes they need KAT on the floor but not to the extent that OK4 is needed on the floor for Duke. I can see Kentucky being a number one seed without KAT, but I can't see Duke being A number one without OK4. Ok4 can't take the chances that KAT can take on the defensive end.

Ah yes I see. Very true

fishmike wrote:OK4 .669
Sgaq .628 (best - sophmore)
Hakeem .675 (best - JR season)
Zo .603 (best - FR season)

I gave up after that... at 19 OK4 is poised to be one of the best scoring bigs in the game. Ever

you also have to account for a little more of their statistical profile... none of those guys on that list had less than 4 blocks per 40... okafor is at 1.8...

there are tons of pf's who score with efficiency at volume but have low block totals... blake griffin, chris webber, barkley and malone are better matches to okafor's profile than the centers..

smackeddog wrote:Maybe look on Towns vs OK4 as being similar to Wiggins vs Parker. However, theres something about Towns that leaves me worried he has large bust potential. Personally, I honestly don't think we'll get the top pick, so I guess we'll be spared from having to make that decision.

I think that's a great comparison but Ok4 is the more proven college player like Parker. Towns has greater potential like Wiggins.

Things worked out nicely for Minnesota. Jury is still out on. Parker was so/so. A bit of a tweener. He might still be good though

smackeddog wrote:Maybe look on Towns vs OK4 as being similar to Wiggins vs Parker. However, theres something about Towns that leaves me worried he has large bust potential. Personally, I honestly don't think we'll get the top pick, so I guess we'll be spared from having to make that decision.

The problem with Towns is that everything we hear about him is based on potential. We hear that he has range, but he hasn't shown consistency yet. We hear that he'll be able to score in the post consistently, but we're only guessing when we say how effective he'll be on the NBA level. His defense isn't really a given at this point because It's unclear how well he'll do without Stein.

WaltLongmire wrote:

mreinman wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:how about Marc...? Aldridge is a jumper shooter. Blake is smaller and faster than OK4... Blake measured 6'9 with a 7 foot wingspan at the combine. OK4 6'11 with a 7'5 wspan.

Again.. I dont want OK4 more than a booger flick away from the paint.

He's got a center's game and body. Agree to disagree I suppose

Triangle has a high post position and a low post position. I'm sure Phil would play him very much like a traditional center if given the opportunity.

Though in the games I've watched OK4 he has reminded me a lot more of Pau Gasol than Marc Gasol. Not based on size, based on the way he plays and moves. Pau Gasol did very very well in the triangle. Didn't he shoot like 60% his first half season in LA? (looked it up, Pau shot .589 his first half season in LA)

We've seen the ball being dumped into the post on a regular basis, so on the offensive end, you can see how he could be used in that position.

As was said, you really want him near the basket, unless he has some skills that he's kept hidden up to this point.

He also has to get up to the high 60/low 70s percentage-wise as a FT shooter.

Does he? It won't effect his FG so who cares ...

I don't want to live through OK4ahack moments...

neither do I.

Curious if knick fans would be happy if we drafted him and he turned into our very own Al Jefferson.

I would be really sad.