Splat wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Splat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Splat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil needs to hire a real coach

The 19 3-pointers the Warriors registered were the most the Knicks had ever allowed in a game — the final indignity to Derek Fisher’s poor 3-point defense.

This is not about bad defenders, this about a bad game plan night in and night out.

knicks1248--what coach could do materially better than Fischer with this group? You think if Phil himself was coaching wed already be at 50 wins????

I'm not saying that, It's one thing to have bad defenders, it's entirely another story when you have a bad defensive philosophy.

So your telling your bad defenders to playoff of 3 point shooters and protect the paint as if they are quick enough or strong enough to recover in time, or fight through a screen. You can have a all ist team defense out there, wouldn't matter all that much, we would still be getting torch from the land of 3, because of the system..

It's the same with any coaches defensive philosophy, woodson and MDA believe that switching was the best way to defend, so despite having a few solid defenders like shump, and tyson, we still saw tyson get lit up by opposing guards.

With the three game these days, for all the desire to acquire defensive bigs for the front line, it seems mandatory to have quick guards who can pressure the ball and keep down the three attempts while also preventing excessive penetration. The Knicks have been abused at the guard position and without Tyson there hasn't even been backup defense down low once opposing guards get into the paint.

The Knicks really need an elite wings and guards who play lock down defense as much as defensive big. But I guess the Knicks need everything so nevah mind!

Dude there are very few elite wing defenders in the NBA, everybody is spreading the offense and moving the ball, unless you have the Road Runner on your squad, you better have an elite master plan, It's not about individual talent. Obviously that will help some, but overall, coaches and scouts will eat right through that silly ass defensive plan fisher has.

I obviously know nothing

actually one of your more accurate statements. Shockingly made without calling someone and azzhole, a coward, a fake person or posting a stupid photo documenting their total lack of logic. Maybe you really are turning over a new leaf. Wow. Good to see an ounce of humility there. Carry on. There is hope for the board yet.

You can put down the pitchfork. You know I exchange on basketball topics all the time without name calling. I'm just as pugnacious as you are and when people come after me I throw back. I went out of my way to debate Nix on hoops without any name calling so let's have the sense to separate between what is actually a tussle and recognize who initiates what. I do not seek out new people to attack and most people here understand that. Have a nice day

the question is though.. you only been here for 8 months and it seems like you've had plenty of people calling you out here. when guys like enyspree, fishmike and blkexec are calling you a troll, its pretty concerning, as theyve been here a long time. maybe you should rethink your posting tact.

martin wrote:

Splat wrote:

StraightShot wrote:Jim is interested in one thing: Fixing the Knicks. And he is committed to extending all necessary resources to the task. He has communicated with Phil about the mandate and they are both on the same page. He is ready to make any changes the Phil requests if it is at all possible with an eye toward building the long term contender that Knicks fans deserve. So yes, MSG headquarters has certainly made it clear to the entire organization that fixing the Knicks is job #1.

WTF are you? You don't know jack about the inner workings of MSG. You big fraud.

dude enough

Sorry Martin. That account came out of nowhere to attack me immediately prior to that post so being that I've just run the gamut of jihadi incursions I was still salty enough to lash out at them for being a troll and what seems to be an obvious cartoon character intended to provoke incredulous reactions on the board. There is nothing sincere about that account, but I'll let it go now.

Splat wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Splat wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Splat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Splat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil needs to hire a real coach

The 19 3-pointers the Warriors registered were the most the Knicks had ever allowed in a game — the final indignity to Derek Fisher’s poor 3-point defense.

This is not about bad defenders, this about a bad game plan night in and night out.

knicks1248--what coach could do materially better than Fischer with this group? You think if Phil himself was coaching wed already be at 50 wins????

I'm not saying that, It's one thing to have bad defenders, it's entirely another story when you have a bad defensive philosophy.

So your telling your bad defenders to playoff of 3 point shooters and protect the paint as if they are quick enough or strong enough to recover in time, or fight through a screen. You can have a all ist team defense out there, wouldn't matter all that much, we would still be getting torch from the land of 3, because of the system..

It's the same with any coaches defensive philosophy, woodson and MDA believe that switching was the best way to defend, so despite having a few solid defenders like shump, and tyson, we still saw tyson get lit up by opposing guards.

With the three game these days, for all the desire to acquire defensive bigs for the front line, it seems mandatory to have quick guards who can pressure the ball and keep down the three attempts while also preventing excessive penetration. The Knicks have been abused at the guard position and without Tyson there hasn't even been backup defense down low once opposing guards get into the paint.

The Knicks really need an elite wings and guards who play lock down defense as much as defensive big. But I guess the Knicks need everything so nevah mind!

Dude there are very few elite wing defenders in the NBA, everybody is spreading the offense and moving the ball, unless you have the Road Runner on your squad, you better have an elite master plan, It's not about individual talent. Obviously that will help some, but overall, coaches and scouts will eat right through that silly ass defensive plan fisher has.

I obviously know nothing

actually one of your more accurate statements. Shockingly made without calling someone and azzhole, a coward, a fake person or posting a stupid photo documenting their total lack of logic. Maybe you really are turning over a new leaf. Wow. Good to see an ounce of humility there. Carry on. There is hope for the board yet.

You can put down the pitchfork. You know I exchange on basketball topics all the time without name calling. I'm just as pugnacious as you are and when people come after me I throw back. I went out of my way to debate Nix on hoops without any name calling so let's have the sense to separate between what is actually a tussle and recognize who initiates what. I do not seek out new people to attack and most people here understand that. Have a nice day

the question is though.. you only been here for 8 months and it seems like you've had plenty of people calling you out here. when guys like enyspree, fishmike and blkexec are calling you a troll, its pretty concerning, as theyve been here a long time. maybe you should rethink your posting tact.

Look I obviously just made a real effort at detente with Mike and I could have very easily escalated it again, but I did not. Citing envy and blkexec as models of decorum makes no sense as Envy started the ultimate ruckus and is the epitome of spazzing out and shrieking at people and blkexec is still hunting me and making taunts. I'm addressing you know aren't I? Am I flaming you? Nope. I'm eccentric and throw back when attacked, but I'm not hunting for people to abuse. I apologized to Nix and otherwise I've been consistent in this. Others fail to examine their conduct and discuss it openly like I have so maybe you should go talk to some of them instead. I've done my share of contrition.

you're very defensive. you keep getting into battles with different posters, so forget about contrition, maybe it's time to just relax and take a different tact. good luck to you sir.

BRIGGS wrote:When you watch every game--you realize that not 1 player is consistent. There is not one player that I can say definitively he goes there and he needs 35 minutes and this is what hes going to give me.

I understand that Phil wants to bring back 7-8 guys for cohesion and chemistry and pretty much hell he has to-- how do you flip that many guys? But the bottom line is if you asked me who the PG is next year--my answer--I have no clue. Who is my SG next year--I have no clue. Who is my SF--I think its Carmelo. Who is my four man--I think it will be my draft pick. Who is the 5--Im not sure.

I think someone down deep in MSG headquarters is under the gun from Dolan to right this ship in one year--but folks its NOT happening and if we try to circumvent the process the right way, it will just be another rotation of 15 years of terrible basketball starting again.

None of these guys are starters..They are 9th to the end of the bench guys optimistically...So bringing back 7-8 for cohesion is a non issue..

mreinman wrote:

Splat wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:
you're very defensive. you keep getting into battles with different posters, so forget about contrition, maybe it's time to just relax and take a different tact. good luck to you sir.

I gave you a thoughtful response so if that's how you see it that's your prerogative

you are letting yourself get baited ... just ignore these guys or they will keep on baiting you in hopes of a GTOH response.

You're right. I'll engage it less now. People will see what they want to see.

StraightShot wrote:Jim is interested in one thing: Fixing the Knicks. And he is committed to extending all necessary resources to the task. He has communicated with Phil about the mandate and they are both on the same page. He is ready to make any changes the Phil requests if it is at all possible with an eye toward building the long term contender that Knicks fans deserve. So yes, MSG headquarters has certainly made it clear to the entire organization that fixing the Knicks is job #1.

This is the reason why Knicks fans are not listening to corporate-speak any more. 13-51 is not a quick fix.

Dolan has squandered resources to absurd proportions and no magician on earth, including the Master of Zen Uncle Phil himself, can re-assemble a championship roster from this dreck.

Fixing the KNicks will require more than a press release.

Splat wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Splat wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Splat wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:
you're very defensive. you keep getting into battles with different posters, so forget about contrition, maybe it's time to just relax and take a different tact. good luck to you sir.

I gave you a thoughtful response so if that's how you see it that's your prerogative

you are letting yourself get baited ... just ignore these guys or they will keep on baiting you in hopes of a GTOH response.

You're right. I'll engage it less now. People will see what they want to see.

Some posters revel in the drama they create. It's quite boring to those of us who come here to read/discuss/opine about the team we love. The rest of the personal drama is just noise we then have to scroll through to find actual discussions.

It's boring and self-serving and you are too often the one provoking it. Take an effing chill pill, for the sake of keeping this forum fun for those who care mainly about basketball.

And you just baited me. Thanks

dude just leave it alone and talk bball

StraightShot wrote:

misterearl wrote:Yawn

StraightShot wrote:Jim is interested in one thing: Fixing the Knicks. And he is committed to extending all necessary resources to the task. He has communicated with Phil about the mandate and they are both on the same page. He is ready to make any changes the Phil requests if it is at all possible with an eye toward building the long term contender that Knicks fans deserve. So yes, MSG headquarters has certainly made it clear to the entire organization that fixing the Knicks is job #1.

This is the reason why Knicks fans are not listening to corporate-speak any more. 13-51 is not a quick fix.

Dolan has squandered resources to absurd proportions and no magician on earth, including the Master of Zen Uncle Phil himself, can re-assemble a championship roster from this dreck.

Fixing the KNicks will require more than a press release.

No one is more frustrated and disappointed than Jim about the way things have turned out. He's a huge Knick fan himself! I know for certain that he will continue to actively manage this situation until the Knicks are fixed. Whatever it takes, however long it takes he'll do it. He is in this for the long haul.

Martin, can this guy either get banned (or promoted)?

StraightShot wrote:
No one is more frustrated and disappointed than Jim about the way things have turned out. He's a huge Knick fan himself! I know for certain that he will continue to actively manage this situation until the Knicks are fixed. Whatever it takes, however long it takes he'll do it. He is in this for the long haul.

In 1999, Dolan was given an increased role in managing Cablevision's sports properties. The Answer Man attended his first Knicks game in 1965. You do the math about the comparison of frustration and disappointment.

That frustration extends beyond the basketball court. Under Jim Dolan's watch MSG media policies limit access to players. Why are reporters and Knicks' beat writers prohibited from interviewing players without an MSG public relations official present?

The Dolan Rules forbid one-on-one interviews, and cutting off any writers who are critical of the organization. That is censorship. Plain and simple. The legendary Marv Albert is a perfect example. Why?

"He is in it for the long haul" is not a strategy.

mreinman wrote:

Splat wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Splat wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Splat wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Splat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Splat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil needs to hire a real coach

The 19 3-pointers the Warriors registered were the most the Knicks had ever allowed in a game — the final indignity to Derek Fisher’s poor 3-point defense.

This is not about bad defenders, this about a bad game plan night in and night out.

knicks1248--what coach could do materially better than Fischer with this group? You think if Phil himself was coaching wed already be at 50 wins????

I'm not saying that, It's one thing to have bad defenders, it's entirely another story when you have a bad defensive philosophy.

So your telling your bad defenders to playoff of 3 point shooters and protect the paint as if they are quick enough or strong enough to recover in time, or fight through a screen. You can have a all ist team defense out there, wouldn't matter all that much, we would still be getting torch from the land of 3, because of the system..

It's the same with any coaches defensive philosophy, woodson and MDA believe that switching was the best way to defend, so despite having a few solid defenders like shump, and tyson, we still saw tyson get lit up by opposing guards.

With the three game these days, for all the desire to acquire defensive bigs for the front line, it seems mandatory to have quick guards who can pressure the ball and keep down the three attempts while also preventing excessive penetration. The Knicks have been abused at the guard position and without Tyson there hasn't even been backup defense down low once opposing guards get into the paint.

The Knicks really need an elite wings and guards who play lock down defense as much as defensive big. But I guess the Knicks need everything so nevah mind!

Dude there are very few elite wing defenders in the NBA, everybody is spreading the offense and moving the ball, unless you have the Road Runner on your squad, you better have an elite master plan, It's not about individual talent. Obviously that will help some, but overall, coaches and scouts will eat right through that silly ass defensive plan fisher has.

I obviously know nothing

actually one of your more accurate statements. Shockingly made without calling someone and azzhole, a coward, a fake person or posting a stupid photo documenting their total lack of logic. Maybe you really are turning over a new leaf. Wow. Good to see an ounce of humility there. Carry on. There is hope for the board yet.

You can put down the pitchfork. You know I exchange on basketball topics all the time without name calling. I'm just as pugnacious as you are and when people come after me I throw back. I went out of my way to debate Nix on hoops without any name calling so let's have the sense to separate between what is actually a tussle and recognize who initiates what. I do not seek out new people to attack and most people here understand that. Have a nice day

the question is though.. you only been here for 8 months and it seems like you've had plenty of people calling you out here. when guys like enyspree, fishmike and blkexec are calling you a troll, its pretty concerning, as theyve been here a long time. maybe you should rethink your posting tact.

Look I obviously just made a real effort at detente with Mike and I could have very easily escalated it again, but I did not. Citing envy and blkexec as models of decorum makes no sense as Envy started the ultimate ruckus and is the epitome of spazzing out and shrieking at people and blkexec is still hunting me and making taunts. I'm addressing you know aren't I? Am I flaming you? Nope. I'm eccentric and throw back when attacked, but I'm not hunting for people to abuse. I apologized to Nix and otherwise I've been consistent in this. Others fail to examine their conduct and discuss it openly like I have so maybe you should go talk to some of them instead. I've done my share of contrition.

you're very defensive. you keep getting into battles with different posters, so forget about contrition, maybe it's time to just relax and take a different tact. good luck to you sir.

I gave you a thoughtful response so if that's how you see it that's your prerogative

you are letting yourself get baited ... just ignore these guys or they will keep on baiting you in hopes of a GTOH response.

Bingo we have a winner. I too learned that the hard way over the years. Posting is so much easier now. Some people are out for themselves only to try to further their agendas. They hide behind the idea of community. The baiting worked because in their eyes you are now one step closer to being banned as Martin already gave you a warning. It is so easy to see through people and their true intentions. They make it so obvious

holfresh wrote:

misterearl wrote:The Mouthpiece

StraightShot wrote:
No one is more frustrated and disappointed than Jim about the way things have turned out. He's a huge Knick fan himself! I know for certain that he will continue to actively manage this situation until the Knicks are fixed. Whatever it takes, however long it takes he'll do it. He is in this for the long haul.

In 1999, Dolan was given an increased role in managing Cablevision's sports properties. The Answer Man attended his first Knicks game in 1965. You do the math about the comparison of frustration and disappointment.

That frustration extends beyond the basketball court. Under Jim Dolan's watch MSG media policies limit access to players. Why are reporters and Knicks' beat writers prohibited from interviewing players without an MSG public relations official present?

The Dolan Rules forbid one-on-one interviews, and cutting off any writers who are critical of the organization. That is censorship. Plain and simple. The legendary Marv Albert is a perfect example. Why?

"He is in it for the long haul" is not a strategy.

Sounds like "Jim" is bursting at the seams..This could get interesting..

this would not shock me one iota