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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
3/12/2015 2:04 AM
BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:blkexec wrote:I'm hearing people say he needs to add more weight. I don't mind him being skinny....It makes him less injury prone. I remembered that play. He was trying to stay in front of Milsap without causing contact... I thought he made a decent play because there would have been little chance of getting a charging foul if he had been more physical, and to top it off, he had quick enough hands to knock the ball away without fouling. He might have been able to get the charging call, but seemed to back away as Milsap tried to get past him on the baseline. Don't get me wrong- he should put on more muscle, especially if he wants to be an effective 35MPG player in the NBA, but I have seen his lack of strength as more of an issue when he goes to the basket, than on the defensive end. Milsap is about 30lbs (at least) heavier than he is, by the way- even if Shved was to put on 10lbs of muscle, he would still be at a disadvantage against a guy like Milsap, so footwork and good positioning would still be more valuable to him on D than a little added weight and muscle. If Shved plays and guards PGs, his length and quickness should help him against most PGs, I would think. He also seems to have some quick hands on D. Fisher was small, but pretty strong- you would hope that he convince Shved to get a little stronger. I don't think he will ever get a better chance to be able to play himself into a starter than with this Knicks team.
EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39944 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
3/12/2015 2:13 AM
fishmike wrote:might be a breakout game. You look at his history and it looks like he's never been comfortable, and hasnt been able to put forth a stretch of good enough play to earn a regular spot and get settled. He might have matured. I always thought he had decent potential. This could also be Marcy Collins/Frank Williams/Toney Douglas all over again. I'd like to bring him in on a cheaper deal next season. But I would be disappointed to see this same exact backcourt in place for next season. Galloway and Sved are both solid combo guards to have, but neither one has me completely convinced that they're starters. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
3/12/2015 2:42 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:fishmike wrote:might be a breakout game. You look at his history and it looks like he's never been comfortable, and hasnt been able to put forth a stretch of good enough play to earn a regular spot and get settled. IMO things that Galloway and Shved are showing are the kind of things you want from your guards. Galloway is a rookie but is showing a real strength as a defender and he's fearless. He's not a perfect player but he's got enough talent to warrant a role in a rotation. Shved has always had real basketball skills and in this system and with a real role he's showing what he can do. It's not a fluke that he's a solid passer and can get to the basket. He's ALWAYS done those things and won't suddenly lose that ability. He has a high BB IQ and really his biggest issue was poor shooting. That problem with his shooting was strange given that he was scouted as a good shooter and his shot doesn't look broken in any way. It could just be he needed a chance to play solid minutes and get his game in top form. I think Shved can be a starter but even if you bring him off the bench he's a good rotation player IMO. That's really good news for the Knicks moving forward. PG's with his size and skill aren't just growing on trees. We need every break we can get. |
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ramtour420
Posts: 26313 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 3/19/2007 Member: #1388 Russian Federation |
3/12/2015 9:10 AM
When it comes to Shved, I am all for keeping him for next year, he is our most skilled backcourt player not counting Jose Calderon. He is a legit backup right now and in this system he should become our starting SG or PG. Who said that ONLY big men develop late? Great job by Phil getting this young man.
Everything you have ever wanted is on the other side of fear- George Adair
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34067 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
3/12/2015 9:25 AM
Over the course of Phil Jackson's career, he had bigger guards like Shved (or DFish). I think he fits here. I don't think he's special. Just think he is a square peg and we have a square hole
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fishmike
Posts: 53866 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
3/12/2015 9:31 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:Over the course of Phil Jackson's career, he had bigger guards like Shved (or DFish). I think he fits here. I don't think he's special. Just think he is a square peg and we have a square holeyea man totally fair... I think there is some upside there if its simply that he hasnt played his best BB in the NBA yet. Thats entirely possible. He's really really quick and Ill take that over power from my PG. He's got a really nice fluid dribble. He's got that great quickness... lets see if we can develop this guy. He could be ready to take a big step. I also would expect us to pick up his QO and offer him a deal if he plays well. We need guys. Obviously he needs to shoot better than 40% plain and simple but I really see him bringing a lot to the table. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
3/12/2015 9:34 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:Over the course of Phil Jackson's career, he had bigger guards like Shved (or DFish). I think he fits here. I don't think he's special. Just think he is a square peg and we have a square hole Exactly. Like I said the other day. It's the same as Duhon & Felton flourishing under Dantoni because their specific skill sets fit SSOL like a glove. And there's nothing wrong with that. I hope Svhed keeps it up and is part of the solution in the backcourt. It helps when you can build from within which was one of Phil's goals. Now we can use our resources to finally putting an NBA front court together |
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
3/12/2015 10:02 AM LAST EDITED: 3/12/2015 10:04 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:Over the course of Phil Jackson's career, he had bigger guards like Shved (or DFish). I think he fits here. I don't think he's special. Just think he is a square peg and we have a square hole Agreed. Nice player that's showing he fits well here. All I wanted was for them to throw him out there and see if he'd take the baton and run with it. He has, more than any other player basically. Definitely showing his worth now. You're right bro -- probably will never be an all-star level performer but there's a lot of positives -- he's big, versatile and skilled. Full of intangibles. He's a guy that makes other players better too, which ya gotta love. I think he'll be even more valuable once we get Melo back and some better players in here. 2 questions I have, 1 Shved-related/1 in general: (1) Obviously I'd like to have Shved back. How do we go about doing it? Just going on what the dude that put together the Shved Utah highlight video had to say---there appears to be 2 strategies: (a) do we sign him right away for his QO which would chew up about $4mm of immediate cap room or (b) do we use up all available cap space improving the team, then once we're at or over the cap, look to resign Shved to a Bird rights extension which, as I understand it, would start at his current salary + a 7.5% increase in year 1 of the new deal? I mean this 2nd choice is immensely more appealing for us if you ask me. If there's a way for us to have our cake and eat it too, that's the way I'd like to go... We'd save about 500k in year one of the new Bird rights deal compared to his QO BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, he wouldn't chew into the immediate cap room we'll have available to improve the team. Shved could come in as a bonus signing at the end of our FA shopping spree, kinda like icing on the cake. But then flip side -- with this new unprecedented salary cap increase expected the following year (summer of 2016), would Shved settle for a full Bird rights deal now or would he rather sign the $4mm QO offer, play out the year, then sign an extension the following year when FA is expected to be much more lucrative? Someone fact check me & walk me through this please -- do I have this right? (2) General question -- say we use up all available cap space retooling this summer -- how much cap space should we expect to have the following offseason? 20-something million? Enough for a max contract? |
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
3/12/2015 10:08 AM
It's still early but shved looks like he was tailor made for the triangle. He is smart and pick it up real quick. Hopefully he continues to hit his shots
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fishmike
Posts: 53866 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
3/12/2015 11:02 AM
gunsnewing wrote:his shooting %s scare me off a bit.. if he could get around 45% what a find. We need that kind of luckSupremeCommander wrote:Over the course of Phil Jackson's career, he had bigger guards like Shved (or DFish). I think he fits here. I don't think he's special. Just think he is a square peg and we have a square hole "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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