CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:This whole rumor smells like bull****. Phil seems to understand the importance of this draft especially we are in terrific position for draft a Impact player on a rookie contract. The main reason we have sucked for 15 years is because we trade so many picks for mostly crap

I agree. I don't recall Windhorst breaking stories in the past. Also, any front office is going to explore opportunities around the draft. That is part of their job. That doesn't mean it is happening. What if the Knicks are looking to swap with Philly and get #32 in the second round if the lottery comes out #1 ny, #2 Philly. It also is a bit annoying that mistakes of the past are just tossed onto the new administration and it is assumed that they are going to do something stupid.

knickscity wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knickscity wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Moonangie wrote:Like Nixluva said, he's exploring in depth every possible scenario so that he is PREPARED to make the best move when the time comes. That is what a good GM should be doing at this point. It's all according to plan.

this is not at all going according to plan.

What's the plan then?

I don't have a clue.

Them why even say anything? Stop trolling

trolling?

I don't predict moves since I don't have a clue what Phil will do. Nobody does!

I do however comment on past transactions since I know what they are/were.

Happy with the plan yet?

Yes actually. The plan always was the cap space for 2015. Now we getting a top 4 pick. I'm super pumped for that so yes

Then you shouldnt be thanking Phil. The cap space was already set BEFORE Phil came on board, and somehow Phil made it less by trading for Calderon. The draft pick which is cool has zero guarantees of being good, thus why the article the Knicks may TRADE it. Phil also gets no credit for that since that wasnt his goal, his bad moves and misjudgement on talent did that.

Who's thanking Phil?

Don't make stuff up to make things seem like you know what you are talking about more than I am.

The plan was 2015 before Phil got here. I'm willing to wait and see what he can do. He did clear the team of the bad seeds and there had been a culture change.

Anyway don't make stuff up to start a baseless argument.

If all you got out of my post is thanking Phil, then I have no words other than I'm sorry you missed the point.

The point is Phil has done NOTHING the team wasnt already in position to do, but somehow made that worse.

How did he make it worse? You defending jr smith and shump who both gave up on the tan 2 years in a row? Amare and his wine baths? Phil made that worse?

And I addressed your post. I feel sorry for you that you have poor reading comprehension

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Splat wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

VCoug wrote:This is my nightmare scenario. If we trade our pick for anything less than Anthony Davis I don't think I could handle it.

You can't rule out this thinking, If i can do a sign and trade for Gasol or aldidge (more establish players)I would do it, I would rather have veterans around a young in experience coach like fisher. If we get the # 1 pick, then he's a keeper, but anything less than that, I'm all ears.

This draft does not have franchise talent, these guys are Camby like players that can help given a solid role, but please don't think any of this big's are Ewing or Duncan.

That's insane. We should actively hurt the team because our coach is too incompetent to coach younger players? Why not just fire Fisher and hire someone who knows what the **** he's doing?

That's too simple. Phil can't lose face. Without a face, Phil can't lead. He'd bump into walls on the way to the water cooler.

Lol. And you're right, I wouldn't set myself on fire. But I might cry a little bit.

Even though I have zero faith in Phil he wont be trading the #1 pick for Al jefferson. Only fans think of stupidity like that.

exactly!

Nothing is more stupid than saying Phil isn't following the plan then day you don't know what the plan is. Or crying about what another team is doing like a sucker. Or trolling a knicks fan site when you openly have did you aren't a knicks fan.

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:This whole rumor smells like bull****. Phil seems to understand the importance of this draft especially we are in terrific position for draft a Impact player on a rookie contract. The main reason we have sucked for 15 years is because we trade so many picks for mostly crap

I agree. I don't recall Windhorst breaking stories in the past. Also, any front office is going to explore opportunities around the draft. That is part of their job. That doesn't mean it is happening. What if the Knicks are looking to swap with Philly and get #32 in the second round if the lottery comes out #1 ny, #2 Philly. It also is a bit annoying that mistakes of the past are just tossed onto the new administration and it is assumed that they are going to do something stupid.

Windhorst follows Lebron. Lebron doesn't like Kevin Love. The Knicks may have inquired about Kevin Love. Or there may be speculation they have.

Whether they trade the pick or not, it's due diligence to see what the market value of the pick is.

But have no illusions - the plan will be to make "win now" moves this summer. Phil and Dolan don't want to lose face. Neither does Melo. Melo wants to compete ASAP. They will make some desperate win now moves, which usually tend to back fire, in my long experience as a Knicks fan and a sports fan in general.

Also, for people saying 2015 cap space was the plan all along... Phil predicted playoffs this season. So did Fisher. So did Melo. They wanted to make the playoffs. There is no way going 12-49 was "ALL PART OF THE PLAN"... Phil is embarrassed and there is a direct quote from him saying that his experiment has been an epic failure so far. Phil may be able to right the ship this summer - I'm leery of Dolan's influence and Melo's influence (remember, his CAA camp basically arranged that Bargnani trade), but Phil can have a good summer. There is just not very much evidence to support this.

knickscity wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I just gotta say a few of you posters are a bunch of clowns. Trolling a knicks fan site to complain. Like guys complaining about the food at a strip club.

You have no trust in phil? He just got here clown.

Go be a miami heat fan if you like Riley so much. I don't give a damn what he's doing over there. This is a knicks forum. If I had the ability there's like 10 of you clowns I would ban from this site.

We're here to talk knicks not bitch every day like desperate house wife's.

Then post about the Knicks and keep it moving, stop worrying about what other posters post. The Knicks are trash, so they will be talked about like the trash they are.

Bitching about folks bitching kinda makes you a bitch as well.

You just outbitched EnvyStar. Well done!

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:This whole rumor smells like bull****. Phil seems to understand the importance of this draft especially we are in terrific position for draft a Impact player on a rookie contract. The main reason we have sucked for 15 years is because we trade so many picks for mostly crap

I agree. I don't recall Windhorst breaking stories in the past. Also, any front office is going to explore opportunities around the draft. That is part of their job. That doesn't mean it is happening. What if the Knicks are looking to swap with Philly and get #32 in the second round if the lottery comes out #1 ny, #2 Philly. It also is a bit annoying that mistakes of the past are just tossed onto the new administration and it is assumed that they are going to do something stupid.

Windhorst is a scumbag Lebron groupie

Knicks1969 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:ugh. the stupidity that has plagued this team ever since Dolan took over lives on.

I keep having the sinking feeling that the plan is to trade for Kevin Love and sign Rajon Rondo

I actually think it is smart to see where and what we can actually get if we were to offer to trade the pick. It doesn't hurt to see how valuable it is.

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I just gotta say a few of you posters are a bunch of clowns. Trolling a knicks fan site to complain. Like guys complaining about the food at a strip club.

You have no trust in phil? He just got here clown.

Go be a miami heat fan if you like Riley so much. I don't give a damn what he's doing over there. This is a knicks forum. If I had the ability there's like 10 of you clowns I would ban from this site.

We're here to talk knicks not bitch every day like desperate house wife's.

Then post about the Knicks and keep it moving, stop worrying about what other posters post. The Knicks are trash, so they will be talked about like the trash they are.

Bitching about folks bitching kinda makes you a bitch as well.

You just outbitched EnvyStar. Well done!

nah, I'll never make a sig admitting I like men I dont even know on my balls. but yeah, bitching about bitching is still bitching.

I was content to stick with bitching as a euphemism for kvetching, but you just took it to a whole utha level, lol

Envy just called someone a troll then had the nerve to say he'd be down to trade the 2015 pick for Al Jefferson. thats trolling to any art.

EnySpree wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I just gotta say a few of you posters are a bunch of clowns. Trolling a knicks fan site to complain. Like guys complaining about the food at a strip club.

You have no trust in phil? He just got here clown.

Go be a miami heat fan if you like Riley so much. I don't give a damn what he's doing over there. This is a knicks forum. If I had the ability there's like 10 of you clowns I would ban from this site.

We're here to talk knicks not bitch every day like desperate house wife's.

Then post about the Knicks and keep it moving, stop worrying about what other posters post. The Knicks are trash, so they will be talked about like the trash they are.

Bitching about folks bitching kinda makes you a bitch as well.

You just outbitched EnvyStar. Well done!

nah, I'll never make a sig admitting I like men I dont even know on my balls. but yeah, bitching about bitching is still bitching.

You right but nothing worse than a broke bitch. Don't worry payday is coming. Draft and the off season will be here soon