If we don't shutdown Bargs then just start the youngins. Galloway, Shved, Early, Admunson, Jason Smith. This should put as in hole in the 1st quarter most of the times. In the rotation Larkin, Lance Thomas, THJr, Acy, Wear, Bargs, Aldrich....Go 12 deep everytime. Make sure everybody gets time to develop but kinda sabotaging so that noone gets consistent minutes.

NYKBocker wrote:I understand both points. I would rather not tempt fate and just shutdown Bargs. The Lakers and Byron Scott are in full tank mode. He plays all his youngins and scrubs at the start. Then try to put in his capable players at the end to show a semblance of trying making the outcome somewhat respectable.

If we don't shutdown Bargs then just start the youngins. Galloway, Shved, Early, Admunson, Jason Smith. This should put as in hole in the 1st quarter most of the times. In the rotation Larkin, Lance Thomas, THJr, Acy, Wear, Bargs, Aldrich....Go 12 deep everytime. Make sure everybody gets time to develop but kinda sabotaging so that noone gets consistent minutes.

Phil wants a massive improvement next year and we can't go from wretched to a strong playoff team if we don't actually start the process of improvement now. IMO that's how the Knicks are viewing the end of this season. They're looking at this as the beginning of next year already. That's the reason for playing Bargs and bringing in Shved. They want to see what it looks like with these players in the mix. So far it looks like a good fit and that is good for the Knicks future. We can see how the ball moves and how it looks with players with the right skills actually running it. It's a proof of concept and then they can be more sure as they move forward of what they already have and what the need to bring in.

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:18 min, 0 rbs, 0 blocks, and 3 points is closer to the Bargnani I remember.

wow how is that even possible. I think I would accidentally pull down 1 rebound

He is allergic to rebounds.

Bonn1997 wrote:18 min, 0 rbs, 0 blocks, and 3 points is closer to the Bargnani I remember.

Exaggerate much? It's fun to pick at the guy for his lack of hustle but at the same time he's never as bad as some try to make him out to be either.

SEASON	TEAM	GP	GS	MIN	FGM-A	    FG%	    3PM-A	3P%	FTM-A	 FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
'06-'07	TOR     65	2	25.1	4.1-9.6	    .427    1.5-4.1	.373	1.8-2.2	 .824	0.8	3.1	3.9	0.8	0.8	0.5	2.8	1.6	11.6
'07-'08	TOR     78	53	23.9	3.6-9.3	    .386    1.2-3.3	.345	1.8-2.2	 .840	0.6	3.1	3.7	1.1	0.5	0.3	2.7	1.1	10.2
'08-'09	TOR     78	59	31.4	5.5-12.3    .450    1.5-3.7	.409	2.8-3.4	 .831	0.9	4.4	5.3	1.2	1.2	0.4	3.1	1.7	15.4
'09-'10	TOR     80	80	35.0	6.7-14.3    .470    1.5-4.1	.372	2.3-2.9	 .774	1.3	4.9	6.2	1.2	1.4	0.3	2.7	1.5	17.2
'10-'11	TOR     66	66	35.7	8.0-17.8    .448    1.2-3.4	.345	4.3-5.3	 .820	1.1	4.1	5.2	1.8	0.7	0.5	2.4	2.3	21.4
'11-'12	TOR     31	31	33.3	6.7-15.6    .432    1.1-3.7	.296	4.9-5.6	 .873	0.8	4.8	5.5	2.0	0.5	0.6	1.7	2.2	19.5
'12-'13	TOR     35	25	28.7	4.9-12.2    .399    1.1-3.5	.309	1.9-2.2	 .844	0.7	2.9	3.7	1.1	0.7	0.6	1.8	1.5	12.7
'13-'14	NY      42	39	29.9	5.3-12.0    .442    0.7-2.6	.278	2.0-2.4	 .824	1.6	3.6	5.3	1.1	1.2	0.3	2.4	1.4	13.3
'14-'15	NY      10	3	21.6	3.8-9.0	    .422    0.2-0.7	.286	3.2-4.2	 .762	1.1	3.2	4.3	1.5	0.6	0.1	2.0	0.8	11.0
Career	        485	358	30.1	5.5-12.6    .437    1.3-3.5	.355	2.6-3.2	 .823	1.0	3.9	4.9	1.2	0.9	0.4	2.6	1.6	14.9

IMO Bargs biggest issue has been his health, but also his motor. What has gone on the 3 years has come to define him but he did have another part of his career where he showed some promise. It could be that he's just not a very durable player and that alone would be reason not to want him, but he also does have some talent which could be useful in a given role.
I think he needs more touches and to stay active and involved in the offense. The more he shoots the better he performs. The more FGA's he gets the more efficient he seems to play.
Of courser first he's got to stay healthy. I would offer him a 1 year contract to show and prove he can stay healthy next year.

Bonn1997 wrote:18 min, 0 rbs, 0 blocks, and 3 points is closer to the Bargnani I remember.

if only he played 36 minutes and shot twice as much then perhaps he could have tripled his output.

we have got to sign this dude as priority one.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:18 min, 0 rbs, 0 blocks, and 3 points is closer to the Bargnani I remember.

Exaggerate much? It's fun to pick at the guy for his lack of hustle but at the same time he's never as bad as some try to make him out to be either.

SEASON	TEAM	GP	GS	MIN	FGM-A	    FG%	    3PM-A	3P%	FTM-A	 FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
'06-'07	TOR     65	2	25.1	4.1-9.6	    .427    1.5-4.1	.373	1.8-2.2	 .824	0.8	3.1	3.9	0.8	0.8	0.5	2.8	1.6	11.6
'07-'08	TOR     78	53	23.9	3.6-9.3	    .386    1.2-3.3	.345	1.8-2.2	 .840	0.6	3.1	3.7	1.1	0.5	0.3	2.7	1.1	10.2
'08-'09	TOR     78	59	31.4	5.5-12.3    .450    1.5-3.7	.409	2.8-3.4	 .831	0.9	4.4	5.3	1.2	1.2	0.4	3.1	1.7	15.4
'09-'10	TOR     80	80	35.0	6.7-14.3    .470    1.5-4.1	.372	2.3-2.9	 .774	1.3	4.9	6.2	1.2	1.4	0.3	2.7	1.5	17.2
'10-'11	TOR     66	66	35.7	8.0-17.8    .448    1.2-3.4	.345	4.3-5.3	 .820	1.1	4.1	5.2	1.8	0.7	0.5	2.4	2.3	21.4
'11-'12	TOR     31	31	33.3	6.7-15.6    .432    1.1-3.7	.296	4.9-5.6	 .873	0.8	4.8	5.5	2.0	0.5	0.6	1.7	2.2	19.5
'12-'13	TOR     35	25	28.7	4.9-12.2    .399    1.1-3.5	.309	1.9-2.2	 .844	0.7	2.9	3.7	1.1	0.7	0.6	1.8	1.5	12.7
'13-'14	NY      42	39	29.9	5.3-12.0    .442    0.7-2.6	.278	2.0-2.4	 .824	1.6	3.6	5.3	1.1	1.2	0.3	2.4	1.4	13.3
'14-'15	NY      10	3	21.6	3.8-9.0	    .422    0.2-0.7	.286	3.2-4.2	 .762	1.1	3.2	4.3	1.5	0.6	0.1	2.0	0.8	11.0
Career	        485	358	30.1	5.5-12.6    .437    1.3-3.5	.355	2.6-3.2	 .823	1.0	3.9	4.9	1.2	0.9	0.4	2.6	1.6	14.9

IMO Bargs biggest issue has been his health, but also his motor. What has gone on the 3 years has come to define him but he did have another part of his career where he showed some promise. It could be that he's just not a very durable player and that alone would be reason not to want him, but he also does have some talent which could be useful in a given role.
I think he needs more touches and to stay active and involved in the offense. The more he shoots the better he performs. The more FGA's he gets the more efficient he seems to play.
Of courser first he's got to stay healthy. I would offer him a 1 year contract to show and prove he can stay healthy next year.

I thought I was being generous. I mentioned the 3 points.

As soon as Bargs inks his next contract he will dive head first into the backboard and spend the rest of the season eating Haagen Daaz through a straw.