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2/22/2015  7:58 PM
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EnySpree wrote:We have a top 4 pick and 30 million dollars to spend this off season....

Why isn't that something to feel good about?

Why come to a knicks fan site to do your best Steven A smith impression. This team sucks.....duh cuz were trying to get a top 4 pick in this draft. What am i missing?

now you are just being silly. Nobody said we would suck.

I guess that was referred to me...I did predict they'd suck. Just not this bad.
i predicted 35 wins so i was way off lol. I like positivity but value honesty in order to get better. The OP thinks its so easy just because we have cap room and a pick. I respect his optimism but im still looking for a little realism

The irony here is incredible. NO ONE on this board has posted "I just wanna get a top pick" ad nauseam like you have. The OP is saying that we all knew this year was a throwaway year and sees optimism in the fact that we have a direction that we're going in with an established system in place. However, Knickscity brings up some valid concerns about Phil thinking this was a playoff team when they've only won 10 games thus far.

I think you need to revisit some of the older threads before this season. I was in a minority about the state of the team. the majority of the board felt this team would be better than last years. Some were calling folks dumb and stupid to question anything about Phil, Fisher or calderon of all people. but like I said previous, what fans think has no bearing....Phil Jackson thought this team was a playoff team....that is scary.

I don't need to do that. Whether you were wrong or right at the time has no bearing on how I view posts now (it's when someone can't admit they're wrong that's annoying but that's a separate issue). I'm not discounting Phil completely but the points you bring up about Calderon and him thinking this was a playoff team is definitely hard to ignore. I believe things can get better but then again they can't get much worse.
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2/22/2015  8:00 PM
nixluva wrote:Phil is inexperienced? Um excuse me but WTF did Hinkie ever do that would make him superior to what Phil brings in terms of experience in the league? Before he got the Sixers job this is what he did in his entire career:

Following his graduation from Stanford, Hinkie joined the Houston Rockets in 2005 as a special assistant to general manager Carroll Dawson.[1][4] Hinkie was promoted to vice president in 2007, becoming the youngest vice president in the NBA; in that same year, Daryl Morey became the new Rockets general manager.[5] Hinkie was promoted to Executive Vice President in 2010.[3] In Houston, Hinkie promoted the use of advanced statistics in professional basketball while "second-in-command" to General Manager Daryl Morey, another widely known advocate of advanced basketball analytics.[6] While in Houston, Hinkie played a key role in acquiring future starting point guards Kyle Lowry and Patrick Beverley.[1]

Very impressive quick rise in his career but really what did he actually do? In comparison to Phil who despite what people think was very involved in player personnel decisions and player development over his 30+ years of coaching. I'm sorry but this trope about Phil never having done this before is overplayed. Sure there are some things he's learning but in terms of an overarching vision of how to put a winning team together i'll take Phil's knowledge any day. Seems to me that he would've learned quite a bit in his time watching and helping GM's build the teams he's coached and coached against.

IMO people are freaking lost if they think he has no idea about what he's doing. It's funny that all the armchair GM's can come up with plans and rosters and yet they think Phil can't figure out what he needs to do in order to put a winning team together. I'm sorry that things got off to such a bad start cuz all its done is bring out the Know it all Media types who couldn't wait for things to go wrong so they could jump on Phil and the Knicks.

We haven't even gotten to the end of his 1st full season and already there are threads about how impossible the task is and how we're screwed for years. Votes of No Confidence from fans are unreal. This is not to say that he's going to win a title, but can we at least let him put his team together? People are putting too much into the transition roster he put together at the start of this season. that was NEVER going to be his roster for 2015-16.

Here's the thing. If we can get a core piece in the draft it would be one of the most positive things for this franchise is more than a decade. We need to strike gold in the draft and that will set off the process from there on a good note. IMO as long as we stay in the top 4 we should be able to add an impact player. Until we get to the draft there's really no sense in going off about where the team is at this point. The player or players drafted will be part of the future of this team and set the tone and direction for Free Agency.

Did you really just question what qualifications Hinkie had and then immediately put in quotes EXACTLY those quLifications?

The fact of the matter is working in front offices for successful franchises is exactly the type of experience that qualifies one for being a GM/President. Hinkie has a TON MORE experience than Phil Jackson who has been a successful player and then coach and literally nothing else. The fact that you compared Phil to Hinkie is beyond incredulity and actually completely silly. Hinkie despite his age is more experienced and I don't even have to prove that to you be ause you yourself posted it in your post. Unreal.

And listen I'm rooting for Jackson and hope he gets it together. I really do. I think he can be a good FO guy. It's just that so far he's been bad.

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2/22/2015  8:00 PM
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nixluva wrote:
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knickscity wrote:The team is terrible, you want folks to cheer? Not a chance. Put a winning team out there to get praise. Phil should get bashed, his work has overall been terrible, but whats worse is he thought he had a good team, and admitted that numerously. Free agency has no guarantee, good players havent historically wanted to come to NY. The draft might be consolation for this pathetic season, but knowing the Knicks it's more likely they'll draft a bust than a stud.

For me, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. iahvent been disappointed in quite a while.

they have a ton of work to do thats for sure

Absolutely. Sometimes it's better to be a realist than to be jaded. the only reason why the team should improve is because right now it's the worst in Knicks history.

Stop living in the F'n past!!! Why not talk about what is ahead for this team in terms of opportunities to rebuild the team. Bitching about how bad things have been is defeatist and a waste of time. There's nothing virtuous about complaining over things that can't be changed. Take stock of the fact that this team has it's 1st rd. pick and has cleared out the trash for once. This is the best chance we've had to get a franchise talent in a very long time. Then on top of that we have cap space too!!! You can't tell me this isn't a better situation than we've had in a long time.

I saw similar in 2010, only money chasers are coming. I dont trust Phil, he's old and out of touch with reality. i also dont see a single gamechanger in the draft...all those cats are flawed. even yourself said we have to strike gold, but sorry there's no gold in the draft. there's no Tim Duncans, no LeBrons, No Kobe's or Shaq's...hoping they are wont change what they are.

The difference between me and you is I can see through the orange and blue glasses. Sure I hope for the best, I'm from NY and live here all my life. but I'm not jaded. i can smell the trash, even though I love the city.

Would you be a Knicks fan if you didnt live here?

This is NOTHING like 2010. This is a much more focused and in sync franchise going into this off Season. There's no comparison.

You not trusting Phil is fine, but it's also stupid. He's not old and out of touch when he just won a title 5 years ago. Nothing in life changes that fast not even the NBA. There are plenty of players who were around at that time still in the league.

It's very difficult to tell how this draft will rate compared to other years. I actually think this draft is gonna be pretty good. It's not fair to talk about this draft in terms of having an all time great or not. Who knows at this point. Let's remember that OK4 and Towns are babies. They're very young and bigs usually need some time. OK4 already shows tons of promise. Who knew for sure that Steph Curry would be this good or Butler for that matter? Sometimes a draft has great players who just haven't proven themselves yet.


No different than you blindly trusting everything year after year no matter who runs the team...it's fine...but stupid.

You can be serious about Phil not being old...dude is old, dont care he won 5 years ago. BTW Kobe is too...and he's done. Where's Bynum, Lamar Odom, Artest?

5 years is a long time...get your head out of Phil Jackson butt. He's old inexperienced in the role he has and has a lot of work to do.


I'm fine with my views on the team over the years . I haven't been wrong about everything nor ever year or perhaps you just ignore the team reaching their expected goals of the playoffs in recent years. Not everything worked out due to many factors, most of the time it was because of Dolan's interference and injuries. But that's fine cuz saying that stuff doesn't bother me in the least.

None of that has damned thing to do with this subject, just another lame as attempt to insult rather than provide backing for your vapid point of view.

You're talking so much BS. Phil won 5 years ago and now he's out of touch? Spurs are still winning with the same core people, Mavs, Lebron didn't just start playing last year. Durant, Rose, Curry, Harden and Dwight Howard were playing then. It's not like he has no idea who those players are. WTF are you talking about?

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2/22/2015  8:01 PM
TeamBall wrote:
knickscity wrote:
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:We have a top 4 pick and 30 million dollars to spend this off season....

Why isn't that something to feel good about?

Why come to a knicks fan site to do your best Steven A smith impression. This team sucks.....duh cuz were trying to get a top 4 pick in this draft. What am i missing?

now you are just being silly. Nobody said we would suck.

I guess that was referred to me...I did predict they'd suck. Just not this bad.
i predicted 35 wins so i was way off lol. I like positivity but value honesty in order to get better. The OP thinks its so easy just because we have cap room and a pick. I respect his optimism but im still looking for a little realism

The irony here is incredible. NO ONE on this board has posted "I just wanna get a top pick" ad nauseam like you have. The OP is saying that we all knew this year was a throwaway year and sees optimism in the fact that we have a direction that we're going in with an established system in place. However, Knickscity brings up some valid concerns about Phil thinking this was a playoff team when they've only won 10 games thus far.

I think you need to revisit some of the older threads before this season. I was in a minority about the state of the team. the majority of the board felt this team would be better than last years. Some were calling folks dumb and stupid to question anything about Phil, Fisher or calderon of all people. but like I said previous, what fans think has no bearing....Phil Jackson thought this team was a playoff team....that is scary.

I don't need to do that. Whether you were wrong or right at the time has no bearing on how I view posts now (it's when someone can't admit they're wrong that's annoying but that's a separate issue). I'm not discounting Phil completely but the points you bring up about Calderon and him thinking this was a playoff team is definitely hard to ignore. I believe things can get better but then again they can't get much worse.

Fair enough, thats why I've always maintained what fans think has no bearing on the team itself. I may go back and forth with folks, but in reality It's not that serious to me. we'll all find out ways to enjoy the team.
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2/22/2015  8:03 PM
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
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knickscity wrote:The team is terrible, you want folks to cheer? Not a chance. Put a winning team out there to get praise. Phil should get bashed, his work has overall been terrible, but whats worse is he thought he had a good team, and admitted that numerously. Free agency has no guarantee, good players havent historically wanted to come to NY. The draft might be consolation for this pathetic season, but knowing the Knicks it's more likely they'll draft a bust than a stud.

For me, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. iahvent been disappointed in quite a while.

they have a ton of work to do thats for sure

Absolutely. Sometimes it's better to be a realist than to be jaded. the only reason why the team should improve is because right now it's the worst in Knicks history.

Stop living in the F'n past!!! Why not talk about what is ahead for this team in terms of opportunities to rebuild the team. Bitching about how bad things have been is defeatist and a waste of time. There's nothing virtuous about complaining over things that can't be changed. Take stock of the fact that this team has it's 1st rd. pick and has cleared out the trash for once. This is the best chance we've had to get a franchise talent in a very long time. Then on top of that we have cap space too!!! You can't tell me this isn't a better situation than we've had in a long time.

I saw similar in 2010, only money chasers are coming. I dont trust Phil, he's old and out of touch with reality. i also dont see a single gamechanger in the draft...all those cats are flawed. even yourself said we have to strike gold, but sorry there's no gold in the draft. there's no Tim Duncans, no LeBrons, No Kobe's or Shaq's...hoping they are wont change what they are.

The difference between me and you is I can see through the orange and blue glasses. Sure I hope for the best, I'm from NY and live here all my life. but I'm not jaded. i can smell the trash, even though I love the city.

Would you be a Knicks fan if you didnt live here?

This is NOTHING like 2010. This is a much more focused and in sync franchise going into this off Season. There's no comparison.

You not trusting Phil is fine, but it's also stupid. He's not old and out of touch when he just won a title 5 years ago. Nothing in life changes that fast not even the NBA. There are plenty of players who were around at that time still in the league.

It's very difficult to tell how this draft will rate compared to other years. I actually think this draft is gonna be pretty good. It's not fair to talk about this draft in terms of having an all time great or not. Who knows at this point. Let's remember that OK4 and Towns are babies. They're very young and bigs usually need some time. OK4 already shows tons of promise. Who knew for sure that Steph Curry would be this good or Butler for that matter? Sometimes a draft has great players who just haven't proven themselves yet.


No different than you blindly trusting everything year after year no matter who runs the team...it's fine...but stupid.

You can be serious about Phil not being old...dude is old, dont care he won 5 years ago. BTW Kobe is too...and he's done. Where's Bynum, Lamar Odom, Artest?

5 years is a long time...get your head out of Phil Jackson butt. He's old inexperienced in the role he has and has a lot of work to do.


I'm fine with my views on the team over the years . I haven't been wrong about everything nor ever year or perhaps you just ignore the team reaching their expected goals of the playoffs in recent years. Not everything worked out due to many factors, most of the time it was because of Dolan's interference and injuries. But that's fine cuz saying that stuff doesn't bother me in the least.

None of that has damned thing to do with this subject, just another lame as attempt to insult rather than provide backing for your vapid point of view.

You're talking so much BS. Phil won 5 years ago and now he's out of touch? Spurs are still winning with the same core people, Mavs, Lebron didn't just start playing last year. Durant, Rose, Curry, Harden and Dwight Howard were playing then. It's not like he has no idea who those players are. WTF are you talking about?


Phil is old dude and inexperienced, cant believe you're actually debating that...lol.
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2/22/2015  8:08 PM
Nix, that Spurs example is proof of your usual stupidity. Kawhi Loenard won finals MVP. His development contributed heavily to their title plus his defens on LeBron. he's actually being viewed as being max salaried player. He wasnt in the league 5 years ago. The Spurs still have their core, but that core has contributing young talent. It isnt exclusively Duncan Parker and Manu anymore. Add Tiago, Kawhi, and Danny green.
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2/22/2015  8:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2015  8:41 PM
Whatever you guys are saying it still doesn't escape the fact the Knicks will have a top 4 pick and 30 million in cap space....

there is absolutely nothing to complain about. Everything you guys ate talking about is a bunch of bull**** drama.

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2/22/2015  8:45 PM
EnySpree wrote:Whatever you guys are saying it still doesn't escape the fact the Knicks will have a top 4 pick and 30 million in cap space....

there is absolutely nothing to complain about. Everything you guys ate talking about is a bunch of bull**** drama.

Not $30M, closer to $27M; less if have the 1st or 2nd overall pick. And we have a roster almost completely devoid of talent and a GM that doesn't seem interested in scouring the D-League for hidden gems.

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2/22/2015  8:53 PM
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knickscity wrote:The team is terrible, you want folks to cheer? Not a chance. Put a winning team out there to get praise. Phil should get bashed, his work has overall been terrible, but whats worse is he thought he had a good team, and admitted that numerously. Free agency has no guarantee, good players havent historically wanted to come to NY. The draft might be consolation for this pathetic season, but knowing the Knicks it's more likely they'll draft a bust than a stud.

For me, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. iahvent been disappointed in quite a while.

they have a ton of work to do thats for sure

Absolutely. Sometimes it's better to be a realist than to be jaded. the only reason why the team should improve is because right now it's the worst in Knicks history.

Stop living in the F'n past!!! Why not talk about what is ahead for this team in terms of opportunities to rebuild the team. Bitching about how bad things have been is defeatist and a waste of time. There's nothing virtuous about complaining over things that can't be changed. Take stock of the fact that this team has it's 1st rd. pick and has cleared out the trash for once. This is the best chance we've had to get a franchise talent in a very long time. Then on top of that we have cap space too!!! You can't tell me this isn't a better situation than we've had in a long time.

I saw similar in 2010, only money chasers are coming. I dont trust Phil, he's old and out of touch with reality. i also dont see a single gamechanger in the draft...all those cats are flawed. even yourself said we have to strike gold, but sorry there's no gold in the draft. there's no Tim Duncans, no LeBrons, No Kobe's or Shaq's...hoping they are wont change what they are.

The difference between me and you is I can see through the orange and blue glasses. Sure I hope for the best, I'm from NY and live here all my life. but I'm not jaded. i can smell the trash, even though I love the city.

Would you be a Knicks fan if you didnt live here?

This is NOTHING like 2010. This is a much more focused and in sync franchise going into this off Season. There's no comparison.

You not trusting Phil is fine, but it's also stupid. He's not old and out of touch when he just won a title 5 years ago. Nothing in life changes that fast not even the NBA. There are plenty of players who were around at that time still in the league.

It's very difficult to tell how this draft will rate compared to other years. I actually think this draft is gonna be pretty good. It's not fair to talk about this draft in terms of having an all time great or not. Who knows at this point. Let's remember that OK4 and Towns are babies. They're very young and bigs usually need some time. OK4 already shows tons of promise. Who knew for sure that Steph Curry would be this good or Butler for that matter? Sometimes a draft has great players who just haven't proven themselves yet.


No different than you blindly trusting everything year after year no matter who runs the team...it's fine...but stupid.

You can be serious about Phil not being old...dude is old, dont care he won 5 years ago. BTW Kobe is too...and he's done. Where's Bynum, Lamar Odom, Artest?

5 years is a long time...get your head out of Phil Jackson butt. He's old inexperienced in the role he has and has a lot of work to do.


I'm fine with my views on the team over the years . I haven't been wrong about everything nor ever year or perhaps you just ignore the team reaching their expected goals of the playoffs in recent years. Not everything worked out due to many factors, most of the time it was because of Dolan's interference and injuries. But that's fine cuz saying that stuff doesn't bother me in the least.

None of that has damned thing to do with this subject, just another lame as attempt to insult rather than provide backing for your vapid point of view.

You're talking so much BS. Phil won 5 years ago and now he's out of touch? Spurs are still winning with the same core people, Mavs, Lebron didn't just start playing last year. Durant, Rose, Curry, Harden and Dwight Howard were playing then. It's not like he has no idea who those players are. WTF are you talking about?


Phil is old dude and inexperienced, cant believe you're actually debating that...lol.

What do you expect when they are paid by the post?

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2/22/2015  8:56 PM
VCoug wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Whatever you guys are saying it still doesn't escape the fact the Knicks will have a top 4 pick and 30 million in cap space....

there is absolutely nothing to complain about. Everything you guys ate talking about is a bunch of bull**** drama.

Not $30M, closer to $27M; less if have the 1st or 2nd overall pick. And we have a roster almost completely devoid of talent and a GM that doesn't seem interested in scouring the D-League for hidden gems.

how would you like that 27 million allocated? are there certain free agents out there that you foresee playing well in the triangle and able to defend the position?

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2/22/2015  8:56 PM
VCoug wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Whatever you guys are saying it still doesn't escape the fact the Knicks will have a top 4 pick and 30 million in cap space....

there is absolutely nothing to complain about. Everything you guys ate talking about is a bunch of bull**** drama.

Not $30M, closer to $27M; less if have the 1st or 2nd overall pick. And we have a roster almost completely devoid of talent and a GM that doesn't seem interested in scouring the D-League for hidden gems.

Still Bull**** Cuz You don't know who Phil is contacting. The d league guys have a say where they want to go.

And going from 30 mil to 27 then 25 is just even more bull****. Of Course we have to pay the draft pick. Regardless we all have 30 mil to spend regardless so there

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2/22/2015  8:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2015  9:00 PM
dk7th wrote:
VCoug wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Whatever you guys are saying it still doesn't escape the fact the Knicks will have a top 4 pick and 30 million in cap space....

there is absolutely nothing to complain about. Everything you guys ate talking about is a bunch of bull**** drama.

Not $30M, closer to $27M; less if have the 1st or 2nd overall pick. And we have a roster almost completely devoid of talent and a GM that doesn't seem interested in scouring the D-League for hidden gems.

how would you like that 27 million allocated? are there certain free agents out there that you foresee playing well in the triangle and able to defend the position?

We have the money to spend on free agents.... what more do you want to say? We've talked about who we could get to no end already. Too many possibilities. That's all there is to say.

A top 4 pick and 30...or 27 or whatever you wanna say. We still have it.

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Splat wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knickscity wrote:The team is terrible, you want folks to cheer? Not a chance. Put a winning team out there to get praise. Phil should get bashed, his work has overall been terrible, but whats worse is he thought he had a good team, and admitted that numerously. Free agency has no guarantee, good players havent historically wanted to come to NY. The draft might be consolation for this pathetic season, but knowing the Knicks it's more likely they'll draft a bust than a stud.

For me, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. iahvent been disappointed in quite a while.

they have a ton of work to do thats for sure

Absolutely. Sometimes it's better to be a realist than to be jaded. the only reason why the team should improve is because right now it's the worst in Knicks history.

Stop living in the F'n past!!! Why not talk about what is ahead for this team in terms of opportunities to rebuild the team. Bitching about how bad things have been is defeatist and a waste of time. There's nothing virtuous about complaining over things that can't be changed. Take stock of the fact that this team has it's 1st rd. pick and has cleared out the trash for once. This is the best chance we've had to get a franchise talent in a very long time. Then on top of that we have cap space too!!! You can't tell me this isn't a better situation than we've had in a long time.

I saw similar in 2010, only money chasers are coming. I dont trust Phil, he's old and out of touch with reality. i also dont see a single gamechanger in the draft...all those cats are flawed. even yourself said we have to strike gold, but sorry there's no gold in the draft. there's no Tim Duncans, no LeBrons, No Kobe's or Shaq's...hoping they are wont change what they are.

The difference between me and you is I can see through the orange and blue glasses. Sure I hope for the best, I'm from NY and live here all my life. but I'm not jaded. i can smell the trash, even though I love the city.

Would you be a Knicks fan if you didnt live here?

This is NOTHING like 2010. This is a much more focused and in sync franchise going into this off Season. There's no comparison.

You not trusting Phil is fine, but it's also stupid. He's not old and out of touch when he just won a title 5 years ago. Nothing in life changes that fast not even the NBA. There are plenty of players who were around at that time still in the league.

It's very difficult to tell how this draft will rate compared to other years. I actually think this draft is gonna be pretty good. It's not fair to talk about this draft in terms of having an all time great or not. Who knows at this point. Let's remember that OK4 and Towns are babies. They're very young and bigs usually need some time. OK4 already shows tons of promise. Who knew for sure that Steph Curry would be this good or Butler for that matter? Sometimes a draft has great players who just haven't proven themselves yet.


No different than you blindly trusting everything year after year no matter who runs the team...it's fine...but stupid.

You can be serious about Phil not being old...dude is old, dont care he won 5 years ago. BTW Kobe is too...and he's done. Where's Bynum, Lamar Odom, Artest?

5 years is a long time...get your head out of Phil Jackson butt. He's old inexperienced in the role he has and has a lot of work to do.


I'm fine with my views on the team over the years . I haven't been wrong about everything nor ever year or perhaps you just ignore the team reaching their expected goals of the playoffs in recent years. Not everything worked out due to many factors, most of the time it was because of Dolan's interference and injuries. But that's fine cuz saying that stuff doesn't bother me in the least.

None of that has damned thing to do with this subject, just another lame as attempt to insult rather than provide backing for your vapid point of view.

You're talking so much BS. Phil won 5 years ago and now he's out of touch? Spurs are still winning with the same core people, Mavs, Lebron didn't just start playing last year. Durant, Rose, Curry, Harden and Dwight Howard were playing then. It's not like he has no idea who those players are. WTF are you talking about?


Phil is old dude and inexperienced, cant believe you're actually debating that...lol.

What do you expect when they are paid by the post?

This guy smh

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2/22/2015  9:08 PM
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knickscity wrote:The team is terrible, you want folks to cheer? Not a chance. Put a winning team out there to get praise. Phil should get bashed, his work has overall been terrible, but whats worse is he thought he had a good team, and admitted that numerously. Free agency has no guarantee, good players havent historically wanted to come to NY. The draft might be consolation for this pathetic season, but knowing the Knicks it's more likely they'll draft a bust than a stud.

For me, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. iahvent been disappointed in quite a while.

they have a ton of work to do thats for sure

Absolutely. Sometimes it's better to be a realist than to be jaded. the only reason why the team should improve is because right now it's the worst in Knicks history.

Stop living in the F'n past!!! Why not talk about what is ahead for this team in terms of opportunities to rebuild the team. Bitching about how bad things have been is defeatist and a waste of time. There's nothing virtuous about complaining over things that can't be changed. Take stock of the fact that this team has it's 1st rd. pick and has cleared out the trash for once. This is the best chance we've had to get a franchise talent in a very long time. Then on top of that we have cap space too!!! You can't tell me this isn't a better situation than we've had in a long time.

I saw similar in 2010, only money chasers are coming. I dont trust Phil, he's old and out of touch with reality. i also dont see a single gamechanger in the draft...all those cats are flawed. even yourself said we have to strike gold, but sorry there's no gold in the draft. there's no Tim Duncans, no LeBrons, No Kobe's or Shaq's...hoping they are wont change what they are.

The difference between me and you is I can see through the orange and blue glasses. Sure I hope for the best, I'm from NY and live here all my life. but I'm not jaded. i can smell the trash, even though I love the city.

Would you be a Knicks fan if you didnt live here?

This is NOTHING like 2010. This is a much more focused and in sync franchise going into this off Season. There's no comparison.

You not trusting Phil is fine, but it's also stupid. He's not old and out of touch when he just won a title 5 years ago. Nothing in life changes that fast not even the NBA. There are plenty of players who were around at that time still in the league.

It's very difficult to tell how this draft will rate compared to other years. I actually think this draft is gonna be pretty good. It's not fair to talk about this draft in terms of having an all time great or not. Who knows at this point. Let's remember that OK4 and Towns are babies. They're very young and bigs usually need some time. OK4 already shows tons of promise. Who knew for sure that Steph Curry would be this good or Butler for that matter? Sometimes a draft has great players who just haven't proven themselves yet.


No different than you blindly trusting everything year after year no matter who runs the team...it's fine...but stupid.

You can be serious about Phil not being old...dude is old, dont care he won 5 years ago. BTW Kobe is too...and he's done. Where's Bynum, Lamar Odom, Artest?

5 years is a long time...get your head out of Phil Jackson butt. He's old inexperienced in the role he has and has a lot of work to do.


I'm fine with my views on the team over the years . I haven't been wrong about everything nor ever year or perhaps you just ignore the team reaching their expected goals of the playoffs in recent years. Not everything worked out due to many factors, most of the time it was because of Dolan's interference and injuries. But that's fine cuz saying that stuff doesn't bother me in the least.

None of that has damned thing to do with this subject, just another lame as attempt to insult rather than provide backing for your vapid point of view.

You're talking so much BS. Phil won 5 years ago and now he's out of touch? Spurs are still winning with the same core people, Mavs, Lebron didn't just start playing last year. Durant, Rose, Curry, Harden and Dwight Howard were playing then. It's not like he has no idea who those players are. WTF are you talking about?

No, you are consistently wrong about EVERYTHING.

You have not gotten a single thing right.

I thought you might be mentally ill or just a really dumb super fan.

But I realized there could not be the real explanation for someone being completely wrong about EVERYTHING and still spouting off like you do.

You probably were a super fan, but now you're just a whore.

I know Dolan has people who arrange for plants on message boards. They have been here and on other Knicks boards. Don't even tell me I'm crazy. I already expect you or some other numb nuts to shout me down and say I can't possibly know this. Sorry pal. I know this.

I know how Dolan's psychotic and controlling attitude doesn't stop at abuse of employees and attacking union policies. It extends into the paranoid and ham-fisted attempts at tampering with public opinion. They have PR people who use at least 4-6 degrees of separation to find and locate posters to post on message boards.

You are the one I'd recruit to keep the Dolan agenda going. You're perfect, because now you're going to have a dozen suckers rush to your defense as a true optimist. You are so phoney, but the world is full of suckers. I don't believe your eternal sunshine of the mentally defective mind act any longer. You've gone so far past the point of credibility I'm sure you are driving an agenda to support this company far more than the team. You're completely full of it.

You're a hustler and a liar.

I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
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2/22/2015  9:11 PM
I've sat next to Eny and rooted for Larry Hughes - the man is legit-
On a personal note- this balanced optic viewpoint in the midst of pure Knicks dogdoo is a sign that Eny's family life is very rich healthy and wholesome, Eny- glad to see you are obviously saner and calmer than the average man.
That being said, as an average man- I'm panicking and starting to Phil like all those other times.....
If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
EnySpree
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2/22/2015  9:15 PM
93BUICK wrote:I've sat next to Eny and rooted for Larry Hughes - the man is legit-
On a personal note- this balanced optic viewpoint in the midst of pure Knicks dogdoo is a sign that Eny's family life is very rich healthy and wholesome, Eny- glad to see you are obviously saner and calmer than the average man.
That being said, as an average man- I'm panicking and starting to Phil like all those other times.....

Lol hey man what's up? I got a top 4 lottery pick and 30 or 27 or 25 million dollars to spend.... how bout some fruity drinks on me?

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2/22/2015  9:27 PM
Splat wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knickscity wrote:The team is terrible, you want folks to cheer? Not a chance. Put a winning team out there to get praise. Phil should get bashed, his work has overall been terrible, but whats worse is he thought he had a good team, and admitted that numerously. Free agency has no guarantee, good players havent historically wanted to come to NY. The draft might be consolation for this pathetic season, but knowing the Knicks it's more likely they'll draft a bust than a stud.

For me, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. iahvent been disappointed in quite a while.

they have a ton of work to do thats for sure

Absolutely. Sometimes it's better to be a realist than to be jaded. the only reason why the team should improve is because right now it's the worst in Knicks history.

Stop living in the F'n past!!! Why not talk about what is ahead for this team in terms of opportunities to rebuild the team. Bitching about how bad things have been is defeatist and a waste of time. There's nothing virtuous about complaining over things that can't be changed. Take stock of the fact that this team has it's 1st rd. pick and has cleared out the trash for once. This is the best chance we've had to get a franchise talent in a very long time. Then on top of that we have cap space too!!! You can't tell me this isn't a better situation than we've had in a long time.

I saw similar in 2010, only money chasers are coming. I dont trust Phil, he's old and out of touch with reality. i also dont see a single gamechanger in the draft...all those cats are flawed. even yourself said we have to strike gold, but sorry there's no gold in the draft. there's no Tim Duncans, no LeBrons, No Kobe's or Shaq's...hoping they are wont change what they are.

The difference between me and you is I can see through the orange and blue glasses. Sure I hope for the best, I'm from NY and live here all my life. but I'm not jaded. i can smell the trash, even though I love the city.

Would you be a Knicks fan if you didnt live here?

This is NOTHING like 2010. This is a much more focused and in sync franchise going into this off Season. There's no comparison.

You not trusting Phil is fine, but it's also stupid. He's not old and out of touch when he just won a title 5 years ago. Nothing in life changes that fast not even the NBA. There are plenty of players who were around at that time still in the league.

It's very difficult to tell how this draft will rate compared to other years. I actually think this draft is gonna be pretty good. It's not fair to talk about this draft in terms of having an all time great or not. Who knows at this point. Let's remember that OK4 and Towns are babies. They're very young and bigs usually need some time. OK4 already shows tons of promise. Who knew for sure that Steph Curry would be this good or Butler for that matter? Sometimes a draft has great players who just haven't proven themselves yet.


No different than you blindly trusting everything year after year no matter who runs the team...it's fine...but stupid.

You can be serious about Phil not being old...dude is old, dont care he won 5 years ago. BTW Kobe is too...and he's done. Where's Bynum, Lamar Odom, Artest?

5 years is a long time...get your head out of Phil Jackson butt. He's old inexperienced in the role he has and has a lot of work to do.


I'm fine with my views on the team over the years . I haven't been wrong about everything nor ever year or perhaps you just ignore the team reaching their expected goals of the playoffs in recent years. Not everything worked out due to many factors, most of the time it was because of Dolan's interference and injuries. But that's fine cuz saying that stuff doesn't bother me in the least.

None of that has damned thing to do with this subject, just another lame as attempt to insult rather than provide backing for your vapid point of view.

You're talking so much BS. Phil won 5 years ago and now he's out of touch? Spurs are still winning with the same core people, Mavs, Lebron didn't just start playing last year. Durant, Rose, Curry, Harden and Dwight Howard were playing then. It's not like he has no idea who those players are. WTF are you talking about?

No, you are consistently wrong about EVERYTHING.

You have not gotten a single thing right.

I thought you might be mentally ill or just a really dumb super fan.

But I realized there could not be the real explanation for someone being completely wrong about EVERYTHING and still spouting off like you do.

You probably were a super fan, but now you're just a whore.

I know Dolan has people who arrange for plants on message boards. They have been here and on other Knicks boards. Don't even tell me I'm crazy. I already expect you or some other numb nuts to shout me down and say I can't possibly know this. Sorry pal. I know this.

I know how Dolan's psychotic and controlling attitude doesn't stop at abuse of employees and attacking union policies. It extends into the paranoid and ham-fisted attempts at tampering with public opinion. They have PR people who use at least 4-6 degrees of separation to find and locate posters to post on message boards.

You are the one I'd recruit to keep the Dolan agenda going. You're perfect, because now you're going to have a dozen suckers rush to your defense as a true optimist. You are so phoney, but the world is full of suckers. I don't believe your eternal sunshine of the mentally defective mind act any longer. You've gone so far past the point of credibility I'm sure you are driving an agenda to support this company far more than the team. You're completely full of it.

You're a hustler and a liar.

I'll just say that i'm totally comfortable with my place on this forum. What do you bring to the table? I can't think of much. It's really not about me but feel free to keep making meaningless posts and proving you aren't adding squat to the conversation and never do.

Nothing you posted changes the facts of the matter. We have a culture and system installed on both the D League and NBA level. We have one clear voice and vision and everyone is in sync for the 1st time in a long time. We have cleaned out a lot of the players that didn't fit and now we will likely have a top 4 pick and enough cap space to put together a quality team next year. I fail to see how anything that we're saying can be refuted when we're stating the facts of what's ahead for this team. Of course there are no guarantees of success but we haven't had this set of circumstances going into an off season in a long time.

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2/22/2015  9:36 PM
nixluva wrote:
Splat wrote:
No, you are consistently wrong about EVERYTHING.

You have not gotten a single thing right.

I thought you might be mentally ill or just a really dumb super fan.

But I realized there could not be the real explanation for someone being completely wrong about EVERYTHING and still spouting off like you do.

You probably were a super fan, but now you're just a whore.

I know Dolan has people who arrange for plants on message boards. They have been here and on other Knicks boards. Don't even tell me I'm crazy. I already expect you or some other numb nuts to shout me down and say I can't possibly know this. Sorry pal. I know this.

I know how Dolan's psychotic and controlling attitude doesn't stop at abuse of employees and attacking union policies. It extends into the paranoid and ham-fisted attempts at tampering with public opinion. They have PR people who use at least 4-6 degrees of separation to find and locate posters to post on message boards.

You are the one I'd recruit to keep the Dolan agenda going. You're perfect, because now you're going to have a dozen suckers rush to your defense as a true optimist. You are so phoney, but the world is full of suckers. I don't believe your eternal sunshine of the mentally defective mind act any longer. You've gone so far past the point of credibility I'm sure you are driving an agenda to support this company far more than the team. You're completely full of it.

You're a hustler and a liar.

I'll just say that i'm totally comfortable with my place on this forum. What do you bring to the table? I can't think of much. It's really not about me but feel free to keep making meaningless posts and proving you aren't adding squat to the conversation and never do.

Nothing you posted changes the facts of the matter. We have a culture and system installed on both the D League and NBA level. We have one clear voice and vision and everyone is in sync for the 1st time in a long time. We have cleaned out a lot of the players that didn't fit and now we will likely have a top 4 pick and enough cap space to put together a quality team next year. I fail to see how anything that we're saying can be refuted when we're stating the facts of what's ahead for this team. Of course there are no guarantees of success but we haven't had this set of circumstances going into an off season in a long time.

Spoken like the the hustling gloss artist you are.

The bold exemplifies your brand of corporate horsecrap you keep shoveling like a boring drone. There is no one clear voice. Phil's voice has dwindled into a pathetic mumble.

You've been co-opted by Dolan and now you're working overtime for one of the worst owner in professional sports history. I'd say you should be ashamed, but I know that is not in your nature. You'll peddle garbage forever. That's what you do.

The franchise is the worst in the NBA. A # 1 pick and spending money and Langston Galloway does not make it any less so. I thought you were the ultimate fantasy jock who couldn't deal with reality, but now I'm sure you're pushing the corporate agenda. You were a Knicks fan once I'm sure of that, but now you're just a corporate whore.

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2/22/2015  9:39 PM
Hustling gloss artist?

Top 4 pick and 30, 27, 25 million to spend....

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2/22/2015  9:41 PM
Nixluva

stick to the script.....don't engage these rabbit lunatics

top 4 pick and cap space. I don't know how anyone can argue or find drama to speak on that.

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