TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:I think anyone who has even a scintilla of nba basketabll sense could see what I was talking about. If we take 15mm off of golden state they'd bave to compensate us in draft picks. Maybe 2 20 picks and 50 would be worth it to them 30 mm is a lot of money. You can see how valauble our 3 massive ending contracts were worth to us absolute zero
Lots of problems with your scenario
1) Golden State traded their 2017 first round pick to Utah in the Bidriens/Jefferson deal. Under the Stepien Rule, you can't trade consecutive first round picks. The earliest that GS can trade that 2018 pick is on draft night for the 2017 NBA Draft.
2) For that same reason, the Stepien Rule, the GS Warriors can't trade that 2016 first round pick either, not until draft night for the 2016 NBA draft
3) The GS Warriors are not trading David Lee this season, if they were, he would have moved at the deadline. If he was going to the Knicks, he'd be a Knick right now. That means Bargnani's expiring deal can't be used for acquiring David Lee. ( Which would be the simplest permutation of a trade, Bargnani plus use of one of the trade exceptions for David Lee's salary) The Warriors have zero incentive for the rest of THIS YEAR to shake up their team chemistry and taking on Bargnani does nothing for them this year. Bargnani makes David Lee look like Bill Russell in comparison.
4) The best time to trade David Lee is the OFFSEASON, when Bargnani's deal does nothing to create a salary match for a trade. You can't just trade picks for a player outright while that player is still under contract. You need a salary offset. The Knicks don't have a large enough trade exception to swallow up Lee's salary for 2015. The only other permutation of trade would be to trade Jose Calderon plus an exception plus other parts for David Lee. Golden State is NOT TAKING JOSE CALDERON and the next two years of his deal. The Knicks literally have no other possible salary matching situation to offer besides Calderon and an exception and some roster churn with team options.
5) There is no guarantee GS will resign Draymond Green or match an offer sheet. There are no guarantees in free agency, even restricted free agency.
6) Your scenario avoids the reality that if GS wanted to dump David Lee and his deal, that there are 30 other teams in the league. This is one of the core constants in your patented trade rape scenarios, they are predicated on the idea that the other team has no other trading options except the Knicks. If it takes a pick to move Lee, the Warriors will likely still have better options than the 3 pick rapist concoction you've dreamed up.
7) David Lee is a power forward. He can occasionally slide over to center, but not without an even greater defensive cost than he normally forces his team to suffer with him at PF. Melo is a PF. People can call Melo a small forward all day long, but the reality is that he cannot defend a league average NBA wing on a nightly basis. In order to play David Lee and Melo together, you'd either have to put Lee at center ( Lee, Hardaway Jr, Calderon and Melo - do you realize how ugly that looks defensively?) or push Melo off to small forward. Pick your poison there. Though I am always interested in fans here who demand the Knicks acquire even more highly paid power forwards to the roster.
But I will here and now give you credit Briggs, Denver actually got a pick ( top 18 protected) for someone to eat a year of JaVale McGee. While it was not your patented 2 first round picks and Nurkic rapist scenario nor your "adjusted" later just one first round pick and Nurkic scenario ( shall we just call that a Briggs Reach Around job instead of just outright rape?), it was far more than anyone could predict would happen. ( The decision is and has been and will be widely panned as a bad decision by the general sports media on the part of the Denver front office) That being said, just because Denver is that stupid doesn't mean a successful team like Golden State would be that foolhardy.
Your scenario
- Involves the violation of league rules, particularly the Stepien Rule
- Ignores the need to actual create salary matches for trades in the NBA
- Would require Golden State to take on player/players that don't help them
- Would require Golden State's front office to have no sense at all of basic self preservation or that there are 30 other teams to potentially trade with instead
- Would require Golden State's owner, front office, GM, head coach and the Logo, Jerry West himself, to stand in front of a trade tht could not be made defensible to the sports media and Warriors fans and sponsors
- Ignores issues like team fit, redundancy and the need for defense to win NBA games
This whole monologue makes not one bit of sense--like you dont think before you post it. It wasnt luck that I KNEW Mcgee would be traded for first round assets. The reason why Philly did not get more is they needed to ALSO hit a minimum threshold for salaries this year or pay out massively. They dont care about Mcgee as a player and no team will really care that much about David Lee and his final year. This is BUSINESS and in GS they face financial ? that 4will have them shaking their boots--they did not intend for Green to blow up like this but he's not going anywhere. Green is staying and Lee is going. GS is not paying 60mm+ in 4luxury taxes--they dont have an owner who can absorb that. They CAN stretch and waive Lee and Im sure that is a high end probability but they would still owe quite a sum as it would be 5.3mm for 3 years on the books(and next year payout would be 5.3X 2.5 just for Lee). In terms of business the best case scenario is to find a club with full cap space and offer assets to take the player. Now this is more money than Mcgee and GS is a good team and should be for awhile--so their draft picks would be considered less valuable than Denver's. What GS can do is draft a player this year at 30 and offer up a 2019 with less protection--probably top 10 protected and I would add a 2nd rounder in 2016. That makes sense for any acquiring team. So you need a team who is rebuilding--has more than 16mm in free cap and is willing to work a deal with them. Philly can certainly do it again and my bet is they are first on the chopping block when GS makes some calls. My price to do it stays the same 2 1's and a number 2 or zero. I dont see the Knicks doing business like this--the Knicks are the type of team that shoots their load as fast as they get that money. Jim Dolan believes Carmelo AND is enough to win a championship --he doesnt understand the draft financial flexibility or the NBA in general. You will likely see Lee traded just like Mcgee but its going to cost GS one way or another. Again in laymans terms GS does NOT care one iota about D Lee past this season other than getting rid of his contract or biting the bullet and waiving him--thats it.
By the way Knicks fans--free agency took a HUGE hit most of the players that we mightve wanted are now gone--now you have a hurt Melo 1/2 the number of quality realistic free agents amnd an owner that more and more players will steer clear of if they can take similar money elsewhere.
2/22/2015 6:23 AM
