smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:This was a very good deal. Some picks for Prigs and a young player who we can take a look at. I'm fine with it. I actually like Shved. He might be a good fit but if not no big deal.

People complain about Phil but in his short time he's actually added some assets.

he has given away more than he has added ...

the early tally is a big net negative but its early.

We had no picks last year and he added 3 last draft and a 2019 2nd. 2 more in this deal. Plus he got some young prospects to look at. Considering what we want to do is rebuild that's not terrible. Not great but not terrible. I wouldn't say it's a net negative tho.

net negative because he gave up assets (mainly tyson) that could have gotten far more in return and to top it off, he got stuck with Calderon.

So, a good GM would / should have been in a much better position at this point as far as maximizing on the little that we had and compiling the most assets in exchange.

He had two big assets, Tyson and Melo and he has struck out big time on both.

Perhaps you think Flu Tyson had more value but in the end we did get picks and prospects. You don't know for sure that we could've gotten more.

yes we do know, c'mon man!

So you believe Tyson would have raised his stock playing in the triangle in this season with the Knicks?

I believe he should have been traded before last years trade deadline along with melo and we could have started compiling valuable assets instead of moving backwards like we are doing.

So phil should have traded him before he became team president? that's honestly your criticism of Phil?

that was just his first mistake(s), my criticism goes far beyond that since compounded this with many more mistakes.

Every GM makes mistakes. EVERY GM!!! That alone isn't really what is most important. You can talk all kinds of BS now cuz we haven't reached the Draft or Free Agency yet. Now if Phil has a horrible draft and blows it in Free Agency then you can have all the fun you want jumping on that, but as of right now there's really nothing major to hang your hat on. Just a bit of complaining that Plan A didn't work, maybe he could've gotten more for this guy or that guy. You can complain that he didn't shut down Melo soon enough YADDA YADDA YADDA! None of it matters if we have a great Draft and Free Agency.

He put himself in a position where he has one draft pick and can easily / most likely swing and miss. Instead, he should have put himself in a position where he has numerous swings / chances over the next 2 drafts. HE HAS ONE. Why? See plan A.

A good GM puts himself in position where he can make a lot of mistakes because they compiled enough ammo to do so.

Again, I am not predicting the future, I am commenting on the past. I will leave the future drawings to you to tell us how great things are definitely gonna turn out.

He gave himself very little wiggle room so now he needs to hit a few half court flings to be successful instead us setting himself up with numerous lay ups.

With what was he supposed to get all these wonderful assets?!?!?! Our roster was filled with players with negative value! At best Tyson could have got you 1 late first rounder, as oppose to the 2 2nd rounders we got.

Melo (2 1st rounders at least)
Tyson (1 1st rounder)
Shumpert (a lot more than we got)
Timmy (at least a first rounder - NOT ANY MORE)

all could have gotten back assets for us especially at the trade deadline

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:This was a very good deal. Some picks for Prigs and a young player who we can take a look at. I'm fine with it. I actually like Shved. He might be a good fit but if not no big deal.

People complain about Phil but in his short time he's actually added some assets.

he has given away more than he has added ...

the early tally is a big net negative but its early.

We had no picks last year and he added 3 last draft and a 2019 2nd. 2 more in this deal. Plus he got some young prospects to look at. Considering what we want to do is rebuild that's not terrible. Not great but not terrible. I wouldn't say it's a net negative tho.

net negative because he gave up assets (mainly tyson) that could have gotten far more in return and to top it off, he got stuck with Calderon.

So, a good GM would / should have been in a much better position at this point as far as maximizing on the little that we had and compiling the most assets in exchange.

He had two big assets, Tyson and Melo and he has struck out big time on both.

Perhaps you think Flu Tyson had more value but in the end we did get picks and prospects. You don't know for sure that we could've gotten more.

yes we do know, c'mon man!

So you believe Tyson would have raised his stock playing in the triangle in this season with the Knicks?

I believe he should have been traded before last years trade deadline along with melo and we could have started compiling valuable assets instead of moving backwards like we are doing.

So phil should have traded him before he became team president? that's honestly your criticism of Phil?

that was just his first mistake(s), my criticism goes far beyond that since compounded this with many more mistakes.

Every GM makes mistakes. EVERY GM!!! That alone isn't really what is most important. You can talk all kinds of BS now cuz we haven't reached the Draft or Free Agency yet. Now if Phil has a horrible draft and blows it in Free Agency then you can have all the fun you want jumping on that, but as of right now there's really nothing major to hang your hat on. Just a bit of complaining that Plan A didn't work, maybe he could've gotten more for this guy or that guy. You can complain that he didn't shut down Melo soon enough YADDA YADDA YADDA! None of it matters if we have a great Draft and Free Agency.

He put himself in a position where he has one draft pick and can easily / most likely swing and miss. Instead, he should have put himself in a position where he has numerous swings / chances over the next 2 drafts. HE HAS ONE. Why? See plan A.

A good GM puts himself in position where he can make a lot of mistakes because they compiled enough ammo to do so.

Again, I am not predicting the future, I am commenting on the past. I will leave the future drawings to you to tell us how great things are definitely gonna turn out.

He gave himself very little wiggle room so now he needs to hit a few half court flings to be successful instead us setting himself up with numerous lay ups.

With what was he supposed to get all these wonderful assets?!?!?! Our roster was filled with players with negative value! At best Tyson could have got you 1 late first rounder, as oppose to the 2 2nd rounders we got.

Melo (2 1st rounders at least)
Tyson (1 1st rounder)
Shumpert (a lot more than we got)
Timmy (at least a first rounder - NOT ANY MORE)

all could have gotten back assets for us especially at the trade deadline