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StarksEwing1
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2/18/2015  8:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2015  8:13 AM
franco12 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:If the Knicks gave up their pick for Dragic would you be okay as a fan if it was lottery protected?

There is no way we should ever trade a future first rounder again.

I'm not convinced our franchise improves next year with a potentially healthy Melo, top pick and potential FA signings. We might honestly be 3-5 years away from repairing the damage of 15+ years of pathetic ownership/management of this franchise.

And that's if we're lucky!

Dragic could certainly help, but I'd also be willing to bet Calderon does much better next year with a better roster, and performs closer to his salary.

This. We seem to never learn that usually when we trade first rounders it comes back to bite us in the ass. I actually am a big fan of Dragic and would love him to be a knick but he is gonna be a free agent and we still have to get rid of calderon's terrible contract(which we cant unless we attach an asset). This is kinda why i wanted to do a sign and trade with Chicago this past summer this way we could do a full rebuild with a bunch of picks and plenty of cap room for a few years
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2/18/2015  8:12 AM
Unless it is a trade for current players and no picks changing hands then it would be a good deal.
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2/18/2015  8:18 AM
considering where he wants to get traded, dude is looking to get paid and get some shine. doesn't look like a winning situation is high up on his list.
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2/18/2015  8:22 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2015  8:22 AM
djsunyc wrote:considering where he wants to get traded, dude is looking to get paid and get some shine. doesn't look like a winning situation is high up on his list.
Also we have seen many players/coaches use the Knicks name for leverage. For example Lebron,Chris Paul, Steve Kerr and so on. Now i agree he probably wants to get paid more but he wants to find a good situation. Even though i would love to have him id rather wait it out until this summer
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2/18/2015  8:23 AM
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djsunyc wrote:considering where he wants to get traded, dude is looking to get paid and get some shine. doesn't look like a winning situation is high up on his list.
Also we have seen many players/coaches use the Knicks name for leverage. For example Lebron,Chris Paul, Steve Kerr and so on. Now i agree he probably wants to get paid more but he wants to find a good situation. Even though i would love to have him id rather wait it out until this summer

well the knicks don't have the assets to get him b/c you guys are not trading this year's pick. what you lose is his bird's rights and the risk of him going to a situation he likes and where he will re-sign. i think the dark horse team here is boston.
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2/18/2015  8:25 AM
Yea we don't have the assets. We gave up TYSON, SHUMPERT & JR for nothing
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2/18/2015  8:25 AM
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djsunyc wrote:considering where he wants to get traded, dude is looking to get paid and get some shine. doesn't look like a winning situation is high up on his list.
Also we have seen many players/coaches use the Knicks name for leverage. For example Lebron,Chris Paul, Steve Kerr and so on. Now i agree he probably wants to get paid more but he wants to find a good situation. Even though i would love to have him id rather wait it out until this summer

well the knicks don't have the assets to get him b/c you guys are not trading this year's pick. what you lose is his bird's rights and the risk of him going to a situation he likes and where he will re-sign. i think the dark horse team here is boston.

I agree we have no assets and i am also tired of trading picks even if it is in 2018. I hope phil just waits the year out. Maybe he will try to trade prigioni to a contender for a 2nd rounder possibly. I doubt anybody would be stupid enough to take on calderon
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2/18/2015  8:25 AM
btw, no red flags about a player openly asking to be traded? he is going to get his money regardless of where he ends up but i guess he wants the team to have his bird's rights so he can get that 5th year.
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2/18/2015  8:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2015  8:29 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Yea we don't have the assets. We gave up TYSON, SHUMPERT & JR for nothing
In fairness there was no way anybody would take JR unless we attached shumpert or a pick, Im sure phil tried. Tyson was a situation where he was coming off a terrible year and his value was way down. I would ahve been happy with the 2 2nd rounders and larkin but calderon killed the trade especially since Tyson predictably bounced back in Dallas since thats the place he feel most comfortable
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2/18/2015  8:30 AM
a few things...
1)why is there any assumption that we would get Plumlee? The Suns have said they need more size
2)Im not trading a pick for a guy I have to pay as well
3)they can take Calderon or any other mix of players on the current roster NO PICK
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2/18/2015  8:32 AM
djsunyc wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
djsunyc wrote:considering where he wants to get traded, dude is looking to get paid and get some shine. doesn't look like a winning situation is high up on his list.
Also we have seen many players/coaches use the Knicks name for leverage. For example Lebron,Chris Paul, Steve Kerr and so on. Now i agree he probably wants to get paid more but he wants to find a good situation. Even though i would love to have him id rather wait it out until this summer

well the knicks don't have the assets to get him b/c you guys are not trading this year's pick. what you lose is his bird's rights and the risk of him going to a situation he likes and where he will re-sign. i think the dark horse team here is boston.

Despite the idea I posted earlier, I think we actually can't trade the pick.
After the draft we can trade the player, but can't trade the pick now because you can't trade picks in successive years.
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2/18/2015  8:32 AM
Giving up a pick would be the epitome of stupid since we could've had Lowry last year and refused to give up a pick
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2/18/2015  8:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2015  8:33 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
djsunyc wrote:considering where he wants to get traded, dude is looking to get paid and get some shine. doesn't look like a winning situation is high up on his list.
Also we have seen many players/coaches use the Knicks name for leverage. For example Lebron,Chris Paul, Steve Kerr and so on. Now i agree he probably wants to get paid more but he wants to find a good situation. Even though i would love to have him id rather wait it out until this summer

well the knicks don't have the assets to get him b/c you guys are not trading this year's pick. what you lose is his bird's rights and the risk of him going to a situation he likes and where he will re-sign. i think the dark horse team here is boston.

Despite the idea I posted earlier, I think we actually can't trade the pick.
After the draft we can trade the player, but can't trade the pick now because you can't trade picks in successive years.

Exactly, which i like otherwise the knicks would trade their pick every year and have no hope lol
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2/18/2015  8:33 AM
The media is saying we can trade this year's lottery pick for Dragic. We all know that is impossible
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2/18/2015  8:33 AM
fishmike wrote:a few things...
1)why is there any assumption that we would get Plumlee? The Suns have said they need more size
2)Im not trading a pick for a guy I have to pay as well
3)they can take Calderon or any other mix of players on the current roster NO PICK

That basically means not adding anyone valuable through trades.
Do you want to keep both Melo and the player we draft. Objectively speaking, how likely is it that a rookie and a 13 year veteran will end up being in their primes at the same time?
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2/18/2015  8:36 AM
gunsnewing wrote:The media is saying we can trade this year's lottery pick for Dragic. We all know that is impossible

you can after you make the pick. you draft the player and then trade his rights for dragic.
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2/18/2015  8:38 AM
gunsnewing wrote:The media is saying we can trade this year's lottery pick for Dragic. We all know that is impossible
Only after you have drafted him but why on earth would we especially since we are likely to get Okafor,Towns,or Russell
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2/18/2015  8:39 AM
franco12 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:If the Knicks gave up their pick for Dragic would you be okay as a fan if it was lottery protected?

There is no way we should ever trade a future first rounder again.

I'm not convinced our franchise improves next year with a potentially healthy Melo, top pick and potential FA signings. We might honestly be 3-5 years away from repairing the damage of 15+ years of pathetic ownership/management of this franchise.

And that's if we're lucky!

Dragic could certainly help, but I'd also be willing to bet Calderon does much better next year with a better roster, and performs closer to his salary.

But it's not just trading draft picks that always failed in the past. You could say we should never give out a max contract again since every time we have has failed. Or you could say we should never make trades since we've never won a trade.
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2/18/2015  8:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2015  8:41 AM
djsunyc wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:The media is saying we can trade this year's lottery pick for Dragic. We all know that is impossible

you can after you make the pick. you draft the player and then trade his rights for dragic.

Don't see the knicks being that stupid. Too many holes to fill to max out Dragic.

Draft and then you should have enough to add 2 quality free agents.

With Melo and Dragic The Knicks are hoing to wind up overpaying for the wrong players.

And I don't mean Monroe, Gasol, Milsap, butler, matthews or green
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2/18/2015  8:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2015  8:42 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:The media is saying we can trade this year's lottery pick for Dragic. We all know that is impossible
Only after you have drafted him but why on earth would we especially since we are likely to get Okafor,Towns,or Russell

The problem is that those guys probably won't be in their primes while Melo is. If you want to just say these few years are shot and we can do real rebuilding once Melo's contract expires, that's another story. But our draft pick won't even be on his rookie contract then. I don't think a half rebuild, half starphuck model will work. I'd rather keep the pick and do a real rebuild but I assume that's out of the question.
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