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F500ONE
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1/30/2015  11:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2015  11:18 AM
mrman once again use your own site[BBref] for advanced STATOMIRE

2010-2011


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01/shooting/2011/

He shot over 900+ FGA under 10ft Melol

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1/30/2015  11:21 AM
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
fishmike wrote:yea he was. Led NBA in 4th qtr scoring. Gallo and Chandler were playing great. Go nitpick someone else's posts. I have no desire to debate with you how well Amare played that first year before the CA trade

Getting numbers has nothing to do with leadership

Stat got his numbers in Phx but has by no means a leadeer


Chandler and Gallo were getting similar production before Stats arrival

Stat did good for Stat for half a season that's it


Matter of fact I'd go as far to say stat needs guys like Gallo and Chandler

Because he never received such accolades[Top MVP consideration] in his career


Until he played with them

Amare's efficiency tanked with Gallo and Willow. Go check. He just became a more inefficient volume shooter.

Oh ... right! that's when he started shooting the midrange jumper - hahahah

Actually Stat was beasting around the rim with them, he was finishing in the paint like a mad man

You can argue the efficiency standpoint all you want as you're tunnel vision there


Fact remains he was a Top MVP candidate for half a season playing with them

Oh ... MVP blind man? You don't have to look silly, take a look at his numbers drop. Show me what he got more efficient at (shooting)?

If you actually looked at the numbers before you posted, you would look like less of a dope.

I remember when Melo was a top MVP candidate.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/30/2015  11:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2015  11:28 AM
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
fishmike wrote:yea he was. Led NBA in 4th qtr scoring. Gallo and Chandler were playing great. Go nitpick someone else's posts. I have no desire to debate with you how well Amare played that first year before the CA trade

Getting numbers has nothing to do with leadership

Stat got his numbers in Phx but has by no means a leadeer


Chandler and Gallo were getting similar production before Stats arrival

Stat did good for Stat for half a season that's it


Matter of fact I'd go as far to say stat needs guys like Gallo and Chandler

Because he never received such accolades[Top MVP consideration] in his career


Until he played with them

Amare's efficiency tanked with Gallo and Willow. Go check. He just became a more inefficient volume shooter.

Oh ... right! that's when he started shooting the midrange jumper - hahahah

Actually Stat was beasting around the rim with them, he was finishing in the paint like a mad man

You can argue the efficiency standpoint all you want as you're tunnel vision there


Fact remains he was a Top MVP candidate for half a season playing with them

Oh ... MVP blind man? You don't have to look silly, take a look at his numbers drop. Show me what he got more efficient at (shooting)?

If you actually looked at the numbers before you posted, you would look like less of a dope.

I remember when Melo was a top MVP candidate.

Efficiency has nothing to do with overall impact on the game, although it can

The numbers are there he shot 900+FG in the paint 930 approximately out of approx 1500 in total


You tried to imply he was an ineffective jump shooting midrange stiff

He was a Top MVP candidate for a reason stats nor visual lie



He was also a 4th qrt monster that yr, by far the best of his career

He put defenses in so much trouble that yr

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1/30/2015  11:32 AM
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
fishmike wrote:yea he was. Led NBA in 4th qtr scoring. Gallo and Chandler were playing great. Go nitpick someone else's posts. I have no desire to debate with you how well Amare played that first year before the CA trade

Getting numbers has nothing to do with leadership

Stat got his numbers in Phx but has by no means a leadeer


Chandler and Gallo were getting similar production before Stats arrival

Stat did good for Stat for half a season that's it


Matter of fact I'd go as far to say stat needs guys like Gallo and Chandler

Because he never received such accolades[Top MVP consideration] in his career


Until he played with them

Amare's efficiency tanked with Gallo and Willow. Go check. He just became a more inefficient volume shooter.

Oh ... right! that's when he started shooting the midrange jumper - hahahah

Actually Stat was beasting around the rim with them, he was finishing in the paint like a mad man

You can argue the efficiency standpoint all you want as you're tunnel vision there


Fact remains he was a Top MVP candidate for half a season playing with them

Oh ... MVP blind man? You don't have to look silly, take a look at his numbers drop. Show me what he got more efficient at (shooting)?

If you actually looked at the numbers before you posted, you would look like less of a dope.

I remember when Melo was a top MVP candidate.

Efficiency has nothing to do with impact on the game

The numbers are there he shot 900+FG in the paint 930 approximately out of approx 1500 in total


You tried to imply he was an ineffective jump shooting midrange stiff

He was a Top MVP candidate for a reason stats nor visual lie



He was also a 4th qrt monster that yr

MELOL MVP MELOL

His efficiency went (way) down in pretty much every category. Still had a great half just way less great than he was before. Nash effect? prolly something to do with it.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/30/2015  11:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2015  11:54 AM
F500ONE wrote:He was also a 4th qrt monster that yr, by far the best of his career

He put defenses in so much trouble that yr


He was spoon fed in Phx which kept him above 50% FG most of his time there

But to put up FG% right at the 50 clip mark is nothing to slouch over


He was obviously the main option here, which probably had something to do with it too

But I think we both agree half a yr of whatever it was for him with what we paid him


Wasn't enough, not even close to enough and we had signs in front of our face that said it wouldn't be

The point I was making with Gallo and Chandler and other role players


In order for Amar'e to be a #1 option he needs players like them

Who'll make him a very good #1 option sans bad health on all of them instead of other semi alphas


Gallo and Chandler are better pairings than Melo or a Ruday Gay or a Kyrie Irving or a Kevin Love or a Derrick Rose

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1/30/2015  11:54 AM
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
fishmike wrote:yea he was. Led NBA in 4th qtr scoring. Gallo and Chandler were playing great. Go nitpick someone else's posts. I have no desire to debate with you how well Amare played that first year before the CA trade

Getting numbers has nothing to do with leadership

Stat got his numbers in Phx but has by no means a leadeer


Chandler and Gallo were getting similar production before Stats arrival

Stat did good for Stat for half a season that's it


Matter of fact I'd go as far to say stat needs guys like Gallo and Chandler

Because he never received such accolades[Top MVP consideration] in his career


Until he played with them

Amare's efficiency tanked with Gallo and Willow. Go check. He just became a more inefficient volume shooter.

Oh ... right! that's when he started shooting the midrange jumper - hahahah

Actually Stat was beasting around the rim with them, he was finishing in the paint like a mad man

You can argue the efficiency standpoint all you want as you're tunnel vision there


Fact remains he was a Top MVP candidate for half a season playing with them

Oh ... MVP blind man? You don't have to look silly, take a look at his numbers drop. Show me what he got more efficient at (shooting)?

If you actually looked at the numbers before you posted, you would look like less of a dope.

I remember when Melo was a top MVP candidate.

Efficiency has nothing to do with impact on the game

The numbers are there he shot 900+FG in the paint 930 approximately out of approx 1500 in total


You tried to imply he was an ineffective jump shooting midrange stiff

He was a Top MVP candidate for a reason stats nor visual lie



He was also a 4th qrt monster that yr

MELOL MVP MELOL

His efficiency went (way) down in pretty much every category. Still had a great half just way less great than he was before. Nash effect? prolly something to do with it.


Probably the system as whole. The only guy I can think of off the top of my head to have better stats after leaving those Phoenix teams is Joe Johnson.
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1/30/2015  12:34 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
fishmike wrote:yea he was. Led NBA in 4th qtr scoring. Gallo and Chandler were playing great. Go nitpick someone else's posts. I have no desire to debate with you how well Amare played that first year before the CA trade

Getting numbers has nothing to do with leadership

Stat got his numbers in Phx but has by no means a leadeer


Chandler and Gallo were getting similar production before Stats arrival

Stat did good for Stat for half a season that's it


Matter of fact I'd go as far to say stat needs guys like Gallo and Chandler

Because he never received such accolades[Top MVP consideration] in his career


Until he played with them

Amare's efficiency tanked with Gallo and Willow. Go check. He just became a more inefficient volume shooter.

Oh ... right! that's when he started shooting the midrange jumper - hahahah

Actually Stat was beasting around the rim with them, he was finishing in the paint like a mad man

You can argue the efficiency standpoint all you want as you're tunnel vision there


Fact remains he was a Top MVP candidate for half a season playing with them

Oh ... MVP blind man? You don't have to look silly, take a look at his numbers drop. Show me what he got more efficient at (shooting)?

If you actually looked at the numbers before you posted, you would look like less of a dope.

I remember when Melo was a top MVP candidate.

Efficiency has nothing to do with impact on the game

The numbers are there he shot 900+FG in the paint 930 approximately out of approx 1500 in total


You tried to imply he was an ineffective jump shooting midrange stiff

He was a Top MVP candidate for a reason stats nor visual lie



He was also a 4th qrt monster that yr

MELOL MVP MELOL

His efficiency went (way) down in pretty much every category. Still had a great half just way less great than he was before. Nash effect? prolly something to do with it.


Probably the system as whole. The only guy I can think of off the top of my head to have better stats after leaving those Phoenix teams is Joe Johnson.

Nash made everybody around him succeed. What a player!

Amare actually had very efficient seasons without him (all but his first two seasons as a knick), however, he was just so bad at everything else, especially passing and defense.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/30/2015  12:52 PM
fitzfarm wrote:Phil is trying to make room for lamycheal green

Well they just sent C.Early down to the D-League so we have room for one.

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1/30/2015  4:20 PM
the crux of the matter with stoudemire for me is that, lacking the ability to make playmaking passes to teammates and generally make others around him better, he resorted to "putting the team on his back" aka "beast mode" and wore himself out in the process.

it did not help that felton was a non-orchestrator who was sub-standard in the pick and roll, forcing stoudemire to be more selfish.

before that season i was hoping the knicks would acquire a good pick and roll guard, and they didn't. before the season started i was hoping that stoudemire would average 4 assists per game, or at least keep the offense cohesive, and he didn't.

2.6 assists per game that's not going to get it done in terms of teamwork.

30.9 usage to 13.2 for a 2.34:1 ratio, which is indicative of ball-hogging and likely to the detriment of his teammates.

his bpm which is the sum of his offensive and defensive plus/minus was a paltry 0.5, the very definition of a zero-sum player... and yes he was not by any means a leader... you can't be a leader while playing no defense, making others better, and going for hustle stats (compare the big ticket... no comparison!)

and by the way, ray felton's was also 0.5.

chandler -0.2 with 54.2TS and 2.6:1 which means he rarely had the ball in a position to make plays for others
gallo 0.5 with a 60TS (elite) and 2.5:1 see above

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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1/30/2015  4:28 PM
F500ONE wrote:
EnySpree wrote:You know he's broken down so it's not fair to bark the guy especially when he came here when nobody else would. He put the team in his back that first season and was a legit mvp candidate until they traded for Melo and he decides to fight fire extinguishers, and blow his back out doing trick dunks on the warm up line.

But then it is fair because of his side show comments and actions off the court. "Phenomenal shape"... gaining 40 lbs of muscle after he hurt his back. Him growing an inch because of stretching. All of a sudden he's captain Hebrew the wine baths, taking rest days when we need him to compete....calls himself a beast but can't average more than 7 rebounds a game and plays no defense. He gave himself the nickname "stat".... the guy is a corn ball.

Anyway, what is taking so long to dump him? Maybe we wanna try to trade him. Maybe we want to keep him so we can try and retain him in the off season. I dunno man but I'm done


Please stop he came here to get $100mil nobody else would offer him

It took a patching up between he and D'AnToni to even make it possible after the money was presented

Did you even read the whole post? Smh

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