smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The Knicks are making the playoffs

gunsnewing is back on the Vintage Isaiah Thomas era full strength Koolaid- I bet that Mo Taylor trade is starting to look pretty sweet to you right now

Delicious!

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I want either Russell or Okafor

We need to keep in this bottom 3 pack we need for Melo to take the rest of the season off.

I was actually leaning towards Mudiay, based on upside. Mudiay is a high risk high reward pick over Russell. But Russell is a safer pick, if you are looking for a real PG that actually knows how to pass and shoot....With a good handle to create shots. Similar to Irving scoring 50......I can see Russell having that same impact.

I can also see Mudiay having a similar impact. But the key with Mudiay is to improve his jumper and team play ability. Mudiay is very similar to John Wall, when he was a rookie. But as John worked on his jumper and matured, he's now becoming an impact player with his passing. So it comes down to who would you rather have right now?

Irving or Wall? Which is similar to Russell or Mudiay?

I'm now leaning towards Russell, because he has that feel for the game at a very young age.....And some people (cough...cough...JR Smith) never reached that level of play, as for as feel for the game as a team player. One on one....JR is up there with the rest of them....But who has a better chance at making their teamates better is the key........Who can play with Melo is another key. Mudiay needs the ball to be affective right now.....Russell can play on or off the ball....and already has a solid 3 pt shot to keep defenses off balance. With Mudiay, everybody will make him a jump shooter, and this is when his impact can be shaky.....

Again, I have some experience on this subject, since I'm a guard who can shoot from deep, or take it to the hole....and I love to pass. It's a wonderful feeling when you know the defense has no idea if you are going left...right....or pullup. Russell seems like a much younger version of me.....and 5 inches taller. So my final answer is............

RUSSELL.....I have to agree with you Briggs....Which you know is rare, but recently I've started to see what you see.

And depending on who's available in FA.....and how they do during March Madness.....I wouldn't be surprised if Russell went #1.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2342294-nba-draft-notebook-better-2015-prospect-emmanuel-mudiay-or-dangelo-russell

good post... I enjoyed reading. But what are you basing you Mudiay predictions on? It seems like there is so little of him to see.

Russell... feel for the game. The guy is not only very skiled but he's got such good spacial awareness... he has an innate feel of where guys are and where they are going. He just looks fanstastic and despite how many shots he takes seems to let the game come to him, doesnt force.. he looks great.

My predictions on Mudiay is just my eye test. I really don't need to see much footage to understand when somebody has major skills on the basketball court with upside. For example, when I watched Lebron in High School...most of my friends were like, he's only nice because he's bigger than everybody else....but what I saw was his feel for the game.....willingness to pass and get his teammates involved....Also the ability to take over whenever he wanted to. Mudiay seems to fit that mold, as far as having the ability to break down any defense (which is a great skill to have)....But it's also a bad skill to have, because when times get hard, he will turn into a 1 on 1 player....Thats the risk. But the upside is still there, and we will never know who has the better career until 5-10 years later.

Russell is the sure pick and he seems NBA ready. Mudiay has Westbrook potential, which is saying a lot. But he also has JR Smith potential, as far as being a streaky 1 on 1 player.

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I want either Russell or Okafor

We need to keep in this bottom 3 pack we need for Melo to take the rest of the season off.

I was actually leaning towards Mudiay, based on upside. Mudiay is a high risk high reward pick over Russell. But Russell is a safer pick, if you are looking for a real PG that actually knows how to pass and shoot....With a good handle to create shots. Similar to Irving scoring 50......I can see Russell having that same impact.

I can also see Mudiay having a similar impact. But the key with Mudiay is to improve his jumper and team play ability. Mudiay is very similar to John Wall, when he was a rookie. But as John worked on his jumper and matured, he's now becoming an impact player with his passing. So it comes down to who would you rather have right now?

Irving or Wall? Which is similar to Russell or Mudiay?

I'm now leaning towards Russell, because he has that feel for the game at a very young age.....And some people (cough...cough...JR Smith) never reached that level of play, as for as feel for the game as a team player. One on one....JR is up there with the rest of them....But who has a better chance at making their teamates better is the key........Who can play with Melo is another key. Mudiay needs the ball to be affective right now.....Russell can play on or off the ball....and already has a solid 3 pt shot to keep defenses off balance. With Mudiay, everybody will make him a jump shooter, and this is when his impact can be shaky.....

Again, I have some experience on this subject, since I'm a guard who can shoot from deep, or take it to the hole....and I love to pass. It's a wonderful feeling when you know the defense has no idea if you are going left...right....or pullup. Russell seems like a much younger version of me.....and 5 inches taller. So my final answer is............

RUSSELL.....I have to agree with you Briggs....Which you know is rare, but recently I've started to see what you see.

And depending on who's available in FA.....and how they do during March Madness.....I wouldn't be surprised if Russell went #1.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2342294-nba-draft-notebook-better-2015-prospect-emmanuel-mudiay-or-dangelo-russell

good post... I enjoyed reading. But what are you basing you Mudiay predictions on? It seems like there is so little of him to see.

Russell... feel for the game. The guy is not only very skiled but he's got such good spacial awareness... he has an innate feel of where guys are and where they are going. He just looks fanstastic and despite how many shots he takes seems to let the game come to him, doesnt force.. he looks great.

My predictions on Mudiay is just my eye test. I really don't need to see much footage to understand when somebody has major skills on the basketball court with upside. For example, when I watched Lebron in High School...most of my friends were like, he's only nice because he's bigger than everybody else....but what I saw was his feel for the game.....willingness to pass and get his teammates involved....Also the ability to take over whenever he wanted to. Mudiay seems to fit that mold, as far as having the ability to break down any defense (which is a great skill to have)....But it's also a bad skill to have, because when times get hard, he will turn into a 1 on 1 player....Thats the risk. But the upside is still there, and we will never know who has the better career until 5-10 years later.

Russell is the sure pick and he seems NBA ready. Mudiay has Westbrook potential, which is saying a lot. But he also has JR Smith potential, as far as being a streaky 1 on 1 player.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:so on the one hand, you have a ton of fans who bitch and moan that no one wants to come to a 10win team in free-agency and then when they win games, the others bitch that it is screwing up lotto position. is there anyway that the knicks can win?

Some of the Knick fans on this forum are like females. Always b1tching about something.

Does b1tching about the b1tching count as b1tching too?

Seriously, I think winning is important to attracting FAs. I don't think the difference between going .290 and .190 will matter though. If we improve to the .400s and compete for a playoff spot, that would help but we have to go like .700 the rest of the way for that. Or if we're planning to trade Melo, then he needs to keep playing.

Only b1tches don't know the difference between "b1tching" and making a statement...

Seriously, keep fooling yourselves that these NBA players will put winning over money. Sure, you can mention Dirk, Duncan & Parker but that's three players out of hundreds. And two already made a fortune before taking a "pay cut."

Who's talking about pay-cuts? The problem is you have to *overpay* to get FAs to come play on a bad team.

We shouldn't do that. We hope Phil is different than past knick GM's

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:No!

We need to show FA's that this is a positive place with a positive culture.

Come here and play hard and you will fit right in and be idolized.

If we like sweet Lou, could you imagine how much love we have for a star that plays the right way and has heart?

Draft where we draft ...

Build a culture ...

assuming this is sarcasm free and I agree 100%

Knick fans have been in an abusive relationship for a long time. They are DYING to love this team and its a city that has always embraced hard workers and hard nosed players.

Melo is shutting it down post AS break. We will finish with a bottom 4 record. We will get a good player in the draft. Winning a few games along the way is a good thing. These guys are working hard and deserve it

Not sarcasm.

And I don't want melo to shut it down. If he can play then play.

I want our team to kill ourselves to win games.

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I want either Russell or Okafor

We need to keep in this bottom 3 pack we need for Melo to take the rest of the season off.

I was actually leaning towards Mudiay, based on upside. Mudiay is a high risk high reward pick over Russell. But Russell is a safer pick, if you are looking for a real PG that actually knows how to pass and shoot....With a good handle to create shots. Similar to Irving scoring 50......I can see Russell having that same impact.

I can also see Mudiay having a similar impact. But the key with Mudiay is to improve his jumper and team play ability. Mudiay is very similar to John Wall, when he was a rookie. But as John worked on his jumper and matured, he's now becoming an impact player with his passing. So it comes down to who would you rather have right now?

Irving or Wall? Which is similar to Russell or Mudiay?

I'm now leaning towards Russell, because he has that feel for the game at a very young age.....And some people (cough...cough...JR Smith) never reached that level of play, as for as feel for the game as a team player. One on one....JR is up there with the rest of them....But who has a better chance at making their teamates better is the key........Who can play with Melo is another key. Mudiay needs the ball to be affective right now.....Russell can play on or off the ball....and already has a solid 3 pt shot to keep defenses off balance. With Mudiay, everybody will make him a jump shooter, and this is when his impact can be shaky.....

Again, I have some experience on this subject, since I'm a guard who can shoot from deep, or take it to the hole....and I love to pass. It's a wonderful feeling when you know the defense has no idea if you are going left...right....or pullup. Russell seems like a much younger version of me.....and 5 inches taller. So my final answer is............

RUSSELL.....I have to agree with you Briggs....Which you know is rare, but recently I've started to see what you see.

And depending on who's available in FA.....and how they do during March Madness.....I wouldn't be surprised if Russell went #1.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2342294-nba-draft-notebook-better-2015-prospect-emmanuel-mudiay-or-dangelo-russell

good post... I enjoyed reading. But what are you basing you Mudiay predictions on? It seems like there is so little of him to see.

Russell... feel for the game. The guy is not only very skiled but he's got such good spacial awareness... he has an innate feel of where guys are and where they are going. He just looks fanstastic and despite how many shots he takes seems to let the game come to him, doesnt force.. he looks great.

you like your pg to take 30 shots, at a 42% clip

What these guys do in college will be different when they get in the pros. But only the smart basketball IQ players will adjust. The others will continue to force up 30 plus shots as a lead guard (PG's don't exist anymore to me). Seems like most good teams have multiple players that bring the ball up and with the triangle, anybody can run the play from the top of the key. But I believe Nash and Kurt Thomas are good examples of High Basketball IQ players that changed their game when they came into the league. Nash was a scorer in college....and more of a passer in the NBA. Kurt was a scorer in college....and a glue guy in the pros. So smart players will adjust their game, based on team needs.

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I want either Russell or Okafor

We need to keep in this bottom 3 pack we need for Melo to take the rest of the season off.

I was actually leaning towards Mudiay, based on upside. Mudiay is a high risk high reward pick over Russell. But Russell is a safer pick, if you are looking for a real PG that actually knows how to pass and shoot....With a good handle to create shots. Similar to Irving scoring 50......I can see Russell having that same impact.

I can also see Mudiay having a similar impact. But the key with Mudiay is to improve his jumper and team play ability. Mudiay is very similar to John Wall, when he was a rookie. But as John worked on his jumper and matured, he's now becoming an impact player with his passing. So it comes down to who would you rather have right now?

Irving or Wall? Which is similar to Russell or Mudiay?

I'm now leaning towards Russell, because he has that feel for the game at a very young age.....And some people (cough...cough...JR Smith) never reached that level of play, as for as feel for the game as a team player. One on one....JR is up there with the rest of them....But who has a better chance at making their teamates better is the key........Who can play with Melo is another key. Mudiay needs the ball to be affective right now.....Russell can play on or off the ball....and already has a solid 3 pt shot to keep defenses off balance. With Mudiay, everybody will make him a jump shooter, and this is when his impact can be shaky.....

Again, I have some experience on this subject, since I'm a guard who can shoot from deep, or take it to the hole....and I love to pass. It's a wonderful feeling when you know the defense has no idea if you are going left...right....or pullup. Russell seems like a much younger version of me.....and 5 inches taller. So my final answer is............

RUSSELL.....I have to agree with you Briggs....Which you know is rare, but recently I've started to see what you see.

And depending on who's available in FA.....and how they do during March Madness.....I wouldn't be surprised if Russell went #1.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2342294-nba-draft-notebook-better-2015-prospect-emmanuel-mudiay-or-dangelo-russell

good post... I enjoyed reading. But what are you basing you Mudiay predictions on? It seems like there is so little of him to see.

Russell... feel for the game. The guy is not only very skiled but he's got such good spacial awareness... he has an innate feel of where guys are and where they are going. He just looks fanstastic and despite how many shots he takes seems to let the game come to him, doesnt force.. he looks great.

you like your pg to take 30 shots, at a 42% clip

blkexec wrote:To be honest, I haven't watched him long enough to really understand his game (Russell). It's like every time I blink....he's either on his way to the free throw line, or just made a 3pt shot. He seems like a player that puts up stats, while letting the game come to him. Now that Russell is a possible #1 or #2 pick, I need to really look closer at his game. But he appears legit.

OK4 and Russell are solid picks. And Russell is no lock for the #2 pick.....Assuming we get the #3 pick, he might be available. Some teams look for a homerun pick (Kobe / Jordan) and might see Mudiay as that type. So he could go #2...as well as Towns, based on Kentucky's track record. I also like Stein in this draft. I think he will be a steal for any team that picks him. And instant impact guy on defense.

Watch Mudiay slip out of the top 10