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tj23
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1/26/2015  2:46 AM
I prefer Mudiay. I'm not convinced Russell is even a PG
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1/26/2015  6:30 AM
tj23 wrote:I prefer Mudiay. I'm not convinced Russell is even a PG

Mudiay seems like a guy that needs to dominate the ball to be successful. Russell doesn't need to do that. He's a seem less fit for what we are trying to do. That's why I'm cool as a cucumber as far as this draft. We have 4 sure things in the top 4. We are good to go as long as we don't win too much lol.

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1/26/2015  9:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2015  9:57 AM
TPercy wrote:
FistOfOakley wrote:i don't think russell is a true pg... he has way too much scoring ability to be responsible for initiating the offense... he does seem like he'd be a good triangle guard... him and langston together would be fun to watch...

I agree

The days of Mark Jackson and John Stockton are long gone...When you think of today's top pg's all of them are big time scoring threats....Steph Curry, John Wall, Damian Lillard, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Tony Parker, etc.....and all are more than capable and do a good job of initiating their teams offense....

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1/26/2015  10:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2015  10:10 AM
Those PG's have high basketball IQ TOO.

Marbury to score as well as anyone but could not lead and poor IQ as a floor general

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1/26/2015  10:50 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Those PG's have high basketball IQ TOO.

Marbury to score as well as anyone but could not lead and poor IQ as a floor general

That's not accurate. Marbury could play the game he just was literally crazy. Add the money and the arrogance and there you have his flaws. I always thought Marbury brought it every night and tried to make his teammates better. He didn't take bad shots and he actively looked to pass first before he shot. He's had alot of bad luck. That decision to force a trade or of Minnesota killed his karma.

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1/26/2015  11:11 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Those PG's have high basketball IQ TOO.

Marbury to score as well as anyone but could not lead and poor IQ as a floor general

As does D'Angelo Russell....The way he see's the floor, and his passing a ability, he's definitely a PG or Lead guard in the NBA...

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1/26/2015  11:13 AM
Uptown wrote:The days of Mark Jackson and John Stockton are long gone...When you think of today's top pg's all of them are big time scoring threats....Steph Curry, John Wall, Damian Lillard, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Tony Parker, etc.....and all are more than capable and do a good job of initiating their teams offense....

just because those pgs can score doesn't mean you can fit anyone who can pass in the pg role... harden is sort of the de facto pg on houston but he doesn't bring the ball up or set up their offense...

if you're measuring russell as more the harden/ginobilli type of sg.. then he measures very good... if you're trying to fit him in the pg role... well he just doesn't grade out as well there since he needs some work on his pnr...

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1/26/2015  11:14 AM
EnySpree wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those PG's have high basketball IQ TOO.

Marbury to score as well as anyone but could not lead and poor IQ as a floor general

That's not accurate. Marbury could play the game he just was literally crazy. Add the money and the arrogance and there you have his flaws. I always thought Marbury brought it every night and tried to make his teammates better. He didn't take bad shots and he actively looked to pass first before he shot. He's had alot of bad luck. That decision to force a trade or of Minnesota killed his karma.

+1. I always thought that Marbury got a bad rap before he officially went crazy.

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1/26/2015  11:21 AM
Uptown wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those PG's have high basketball IQ TOO.

Marbury to score as well as anyone but could not lead and poor IQ as a floor general

As does D'Angelo Russell....The way he see's the floor, and his passing a ability, he's definitely a PG or Lead guard in the NBA...

If I'm going point guard, I'll take Mudiay

He can see the floor and pass just as good and he's younger and bigger

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1/26/2015  11:50 AM
EnySpree wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those PG's have high basketball IQ TOO.

Marbury to score as well as anyone but could not lead and poor IQ as a floor general

That's not accurate. Marbury could play the game he just was literally crazy. Add the money and the arrogance and there you have his flaws. I always thought Marbury brought it every night and tried to make his teammates better. He didn't take bad shots and he actively looked to pass first before he shot. He's had alot of bad luck. That decision to force a trade or of Minnesota killed his karma.

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1/26/2015  12:20 PM
FistOfOakley wrote:
Uptown wrote:The days of Mark Jackson and John Stockton are long gone...When you think of today's top pg's all of them are big time scoring threats....Steph Curry, John Wall, Damian Lillard, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Tony Parker, etc.....and all are more than capable and do a good job of initiating their teams offense....

just because those pgs can score doesn't mean you can fit anyone who can pass in the pg role... harden is sort of the de facto pg on houston but he doesn't bring the ball up or set up their offense...

if you're measuring russell as more the harden/ginobilli type of sg.. then he measures very good... if you're trying to fit him in the pg role... well he just doesn't grade out as well there since he needs some work on his pnr...

Harden is 6'6 225....Russell, at this point is not strong enough or athletic enough to deal with legit NBA SG's on a consistent basis, IMO. Not that he can't grow into it. From watching him play, the first thing that jumps out to me is his passing skill and the ability to see the floor. Projecting where he will be in the NBA, right now he looks more like a Lead-Guard to me. With his size, shooting ability, and passing skill, he's on the cusp of an NBA allstar if he plays exclusive PG similar to Michael Carter Williams. He will stuff the stat sheet, and can use his size to see and shoot over other PG's. He's also a new generation guard that can play both positions if you have play that double Lead Guard backcourt ( Lebron and Kyrie, Steph Curry and Jarrett Jack,) etc. But for me, his best position and most effective position, is PG IMO....

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1/26/2015  12:21 PM
F500ONE wrote:
Uptown wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those PG's have high basketball IQ TOO.

Marbury to score as well as anyone but could not lead and poor IQ as a floor general

As does D'Angelo Russell....The way he see's the floor, and his passing a ability, he's definitely a PG or Lead guard in the NBA...

If I'm going point guard, I'll take Mudiay

He can see the floor and pass just as good and he's younger and bigger


I've only seen highlight clips....I need to get a better look at him....
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1/26/2015  1:15 PM
Uptown wrote:
FistOfOakley wrote:
Uptown wrote:The days of Mark Jackson and John Stockton are long gone...When you think of today's top pg's all of them are big time scoring threats....Steph Curry, John Wall, Damian Lillard, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Tony Parker, etc.....and all are more than capable and do a good job of initiating their teams offense....

just because those pgs can score doesn't mean you can fit anyone who can pass in the pg role... harden is sort of the de facto pg on houston but he doesn't bring the ball up or set up their offense...

if you're measuring russell as more the harden/ginobilli type of sg.. then he measures very good... if you're trying to fit him in the pg role... well he just doesn't grade out as well there since he needs some work on his pnr...

Harden is 6'6 225....Russell, at this point is not strong enough or athletic enough to deal with legit NBA SG's on a consistent basis, IMO. Not that he can't grow into it. From watching him play, the first thing that jumps out to me is his passing skill and the ability to see the floor. Projecting where he will be in the NBA, right now he looks more like a Lead-Guard to me. With his size, shooting ability, and passing skill, he's on the cusp of an NBA allstar if he plays exclusive PG similar to Michael Carter Williams. He will stuff the stat sheet, and can use his size to see and shoot over other PG's. He's also a new generation guard that can play both positions if you have play that double Lead Guard backcourt ( Lebron and Kyrie, Steph Curry and Jarrett Jack,) etc. But for me, his best position and most effective position, is PG IMO....

The kid definitely has tremendous skill, smarts and vision -- it is the physical part of the game that worries me. Can his body take the punishment of taking the ball to the rim as much as a star PG needs to attack the basket. Will he be a skilled but often injured player and will he be able to keep up defensively -- his lateral quickness seems suspect.

I do agree -- there is a bit of a Steph Curry debate here ---- I had the same concerns with Steph and still wanted Knicks to grab him but there were no Okafor, Towns, Mudiay's in that draft either.

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1/26/2015  2:17 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
Uptown wrote:
FistOfOakley wrote:
Uptown wrote:The days of Mark Jackson and John Stockton are long gone...When you think of today's top pg's all of them are big time scoring threats....Steph Curry, John Wall, Damian Lillard, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Tony Parker, etc.....and all are more than capable and do a good job of initiating their teams offense....

just because those pgs can score doesn't mean you can fit anyone who can pass in the pg role... harden is sort of the de facto pg on houston but he doesn't bring the ball up or set up their offense...

if you're measuring russell as more the harden/ginobilli type of sg.. then he measures very good... if you're trying to fit him in the pg role... well he just doesn't grade out as well there since he needs some work on his pnr...

Harden is 6'6 225....Russell, at this point is not strong enough or athletic enough to deal with legit NBA SG's on a consistent basis, IMO. Not that he can't grow into it. From watching him play, the first thing that jumps out to me is his passing skill and the ability to see the floor. Projecting where he will be in the NBA, right now he looks more like a Lead-Guard to me. With his size, shooting ability, and passing skill, he's on the cusp of an NBA allstar if he plays exclusive PG similar to Michael Carter Williams. He will stuff the stat sheet, and can use his size to see and shoot over other PG's. He's also a new generation guard that can play both positions if you have play that double Lead Guard backcourt ( Lebron and Kyrie, Steph Curry and Jarrett Jack,) etc. But for me, his best position and most effective position, is PG IMO....

The kid definitely has tremendous skill, smarts and vision -- it is the physical part of the game that worries me. Can his body take the punishment of taking the ball to the rim as much as a star PG needs to attack the basket. Will he be a skilled but often injured player and will he be able to keep up defensively -- his lateral quickness seems suspect.

I do agree -- there is a bit of a Steph Curry debate here ---- I had the same concerns with Steph and still wanted Knicks to grab him but there were no Okafor, Towns, Mudiay's in that draft either.

I think Steph Curry went where he should have gone. He's shown he has that special "something" it takes to blend skills, smarts and talent into greatness. Thats really the part you get lucky or unlucky with.

Whats looking great about Russell is he looks great, and quite frankly the more the better. OK4 is an easy lock to be an all star for years and saying something about a 19 year is rare. Everyone sees it. Unless his knees break (Oden) he's a lock. Towns isnt simply because he hasnt shown, not because he cant be. Russell is starting to show. Im just glad to see more and more of these guys.

In a year like this you have to walk away with something that will pay. Russell has some question marks as to his position and how his game will translate but he's gonna be good. I just hope we grab a gem. We are so due

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1/26/2015  2:17 PM
BRIGGS wrote:To be pick#1

The kid is legit but the PG isn't a big enough focal point in a Phil Jackson triangle to draft a PG over a big man? He's definitely not gonna take him over Okafor but if we end up with the 2nd or 3rd or 4th can anyone see him drafting D.Russell over Towns or WCS or any other big men??
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1/26/2015  2:21 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
FistOfOakley wrote:if okafor doesn't improve his rebounding and shot blocking numbers or just his overall defense... russell could over take him...

i still take towns over both...

Towns is nice too.


I like Towns but hate the fact that he doesn't get enough minutes to really see what the kid can do getting those minutes and i'm really starting to like WCS as well. Not sure if i like him more than Towns but i definitely like him. Both will need time to grow in the NBA unlike Okafor who will be ready to go day 1.
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1/26/2015  2:23 PM
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
FistOfOakley wrote:if okafor doesn't improve his rebounding and shot blocking numbers or just his overall defense... russell could over take him...

i still take towns over both...

He avg 9 rebs in >30 mins. That's not a problem.

I think that it is a problem. He looks like he should be a better rebounder and 9 rebs against college midgets does not mean that he will be a good rebounder in the nba.


Yeah i agree that he should be getting more rebounds than he's been getting in college because it will be a whole new game for him trying to pull down rebounds in the NBA.
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1/26/2015  2:28 PM
blkexec wrote:You pick OK4 with the #1 pick, since thats the most popular pick...Then unload him in a mega deal either to fill out the roster or to a team picking 3rd or 4th. I think Stanley Johnson is a major sleeper, as far as his two way skill set. He could be the next Jimmy Butler or Artest. The top 5 picks have star potential. OK4, Towns, Mudiay, Russell, Johnson.

And as I watched OK4 again...he will impact the NBA like Zach Randolph. Duke looked better on defense when OK4 was at PF. And Plumlee was at center.


I don't see how you can call Stanley Johnson a sleeper but i agree that he'll be a good one in the NBA.
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1/26/2015  2:28 PM
yea Duncan was a monster rebound and shotblocker in college
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1/26/2015  2:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2015  2:30 PM
I think OK4 is more Al Jefferson than Duncan. Maybe whoever drafts him gets lucky and he is closer to Cousins. Either way he is going to be a valuable big. Towns is still my guy though
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