[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Is there any chance that Phil scraps the triangle?
Author Thread
joec32033
Posts: 30615
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 2/3/2004
Member: #583
USA
1/19/2015  12:03 PM
Better chance that Phil signs himself, Frazier, Monroe, Bradley, Reed, and Debushere to contracts and they win the championship with Carmelo as the sixth man. While running the triangle.
~You can't run from who you are.~
AUTOADVERT
mreinman
Posts: 37827
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/14/2010
Member: #3189

1/19/2015  12:08 PM
foosballnick wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm going to continue to be me! At this point rehashing the Tyson trade is pointless. That approach has been trashed by Phil and aside from Jose the Kids are the only ones remaining. I disagree with taking a pessimistic view of the current circumstances. At this point it's up to Phil and his staff to make the best use of the options the Knicks have from here on. It's never easy for any GM and this situation isn't easy either.

Top draft pick. Cap space and very little baggage left to clear. It's all there for Phil. He just has to make it happen. I see no valid reason to be down on this team's prospects going forward. Not at this point in time. Once we see what Phil actually does from now thru the summer then we can make an appropriate judgement.

I am not being a pessimist. Its realism.

What do you think the odds are that the knicks win under Phil?

Vegas odds for the knicks winning a title under Phil is < 3 percent. Are they just a bunch of pessimists?

I will continue to assume that we will lose based on the odds and history with this team and I will be pleasantly surprised and obviously ecstatic if I am wrong. May be if we pray hard enough, we will be worthy of this miracle. But it will take a miracle.


Perhaps you need to clarify your view a bit further.

Vegas Odds - are projected for this year. Almost everyone would agree that the Knicks currently stink and are trying to tank at this point....for this season....that is being realistic.

Continuing to assume the Knicks will lose as you stated - is being pessimistic if you are applying that thought process beyond this year.....the reason is that you do not know what roster changes will be made, nor is there enough sampling of the moves and vision for the Knicks under Phil.

Continually focusing on what others have done wrong in the past - is being negative. Everyone makes mistakes, what defines us is how we learn from the mistakes in terms of future actions. It's difficult to properly measure Phil's progress 40 games into a season that is in tank mode. You seem to want to give him an F......while a more reasonable rating would be "incomplete".

The odds are not just for this year. It for the next 5 years.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
yellowboy90
Posts: 33942
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/23/2011
Member: #3538

1/19/2015  12:30 PM
mreinman wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm going to continue to be me! At this point rehashing the Tyson trade is pointless. That approach has been trashed by Phil and aside from Jose the Kids are the only ones remaining. I disagree with taking a pessimistic view of the current circumstances. At this point it's up to Phil and his staff to make the best use of the options the Knicks have from here on. It's never easy for any GM and this situation isn't easy either.

Top draft pick. Cap space and very little baggage left to clear. It's all there for Phil. He just has to make it happen. I see no valid reason to be down on this team's prospects going forward. Not at this point in time. Once we see what Phil actually does from now thru the summer then we can make an appropriate judgement.

I am not being a pessimist. Its realism.

What do you think the odds are that the knicks win under Phil?

Vegas odds for the knicks winning a title under Phil is < 3 percent. Are they just a bunch of pessimists?

I will continue to assume that we will lose based on the odds and history with this team and I will be pleasantly surprised and obviously ecstatic if I am wrong. May be if we pray hard enough, we will be worthy of this miracle. But it will take a miracle.


Perhaps you need to clarify your view a bit further.

Vegas Odds - are projected for this year. Almost everyone would agree that the Knicks currently stink and are trying to tank at this point....for this season....that is being realistic.

Continuing to assume the Knicks will lose as you stated - is being pessimistic if you are applying that thought process beyond this year.....the reason is that you do not know what roster changes will be made, nor is there enough sampling of the moves and vision for the Knicks under Phil.

Continually focusing on what others have done wrong in the past - is being negative. Everyone makes mistakes, what defines us is how we learn from the mistakes in terms of future actions. It's difficult to properly measure Phil's progress 40 games into a season that is in tank mode. You seem to want to give him an F......while a more reasonable rating would be "incomplete".

The odds are not just for this year. It for the next 5 years.

the odds can easily change. At halftime the Packers had a 95-96% chance of winning the game. I think those odds stayed the same with 5 minutes left. I think we know how that ended.

mreinman
Posts: 37827
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/14/2010
Member: #3189

1/19/2015  12:35 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm going to continue to be me! At this point rehashing the Tyson trade is pointless. That approach has been trashed by Phil and aside from Jose the Kids are the only ones remaining. I disagree with taking a pessimistic view of the current circumstances. At this point it's up to Phil and his staff to make the best use of the options the Knicks have from here on. It's never easy for any GM and this situation isn't easy either.

Top draft pick. Cap space and very little baggage left to clear. It's all there for Phil. He just has to make it happen. I see no valid reason to be down on this team's prospects going forward. Not at this point in time. Once we see what Phil actually does from now thru the summer then we can make an appropriate judgement.

I am not being a pessimist. Its realism.

What do you think the odds are that the knicks win under Phil?

Vegas odds for the knicks winning a title under Phil is < 3 percent. Are they just a bunch of pessimists?

I will continue to assume that we will lose based on the odds and history with this team and I will be pleasantly surprised and obviously ecstatic if I am wrong. May be if we pray hard enough, we will be worthy of this miracle. But it will take a miracle.


Perhaps you need to clarify your view a bit further.

Vegas Odds - are projected for this year. Almost everyone would agree that the Knicks currently stink and are trying to tank at this point....for this season....that is being realistic.

Continuing to assume the Knicks will lose as you stated - is being pessimistic if you are applying that thought process beyond this year.....the reason is that you do not know what roster changes will be made, nor is there enough sampling of the moves and vision for the Knicks under Phil.

Continually focusing on what others have done wrong in the past - is being negative. Everyone makes mistakes, what defines us is how we learn from the mistakes in terms of future actions. It's difficult to properly measure Phil's progress 40 games into a season that is in tank mode. You seem to want to give him an F......while a more reasonable rating would be "incomplete".

The odds are not just for this year. It for the next 5 years.

the odds can easily change. At halftime the Packers had a 95-96% chance of winning the game. I think those odds stayed the same with 5 minutes left. I think we know how that ended.

Well with each move that we make it will either go down or go up.

I am sure that before the Tyson trade it was a lot higher.

And then hiring fisher did not help either.

If we max out Monroe, it won't help either.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
BigDaddyG
Posts: 39944
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/22/2010
Member: #3049

1/19/2015  12:49 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Like I said before I don't think he needs to scrap it but it may need some adjusting.

Yeah, just take a look at the Spurs offense if you don't believe the triangle can be changed. I'm not saying Fish is doing the best job, but it's not the system. Its the fact that we play bad defense and have to settle for bad shots taken by border line NBA players. OK4 would go a long way in help ing the situation. A solid lead guard would help too.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
knickscity
Posts: 24533
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/2/2012
Member: #4241
USA
1/19/2015  5:10 PM
nixluva wrote:I'm going to continue to be me! At this point rehashing the Tyson trade is pointless. That approach has been trashed by Phil and aside from Jose the Kids are the only ones remaining. I disagree with taking a pessimistic view of the current circumstances. At this point it's up to Phil and his staff to make the best use of the options the Knicks have from here on. It's never easy for any GM and this situation isn't easy either.

Top draft pick. Cap space and very little baggage left to clear. It's all there for Phil. He just has to make it happen. I see no valid reason to be down on this team's prospects going forward. Not at this point in time. Once we see what Phil actually does from now thru the summer then we can make an appropriate judgement.


Phil said you cant judge the trade this soon, only 4-5 years from now, so it will be constantly "rehashed". And yes you can assess what might happen in free agency....the only players coming are the ones who want to be overpaid. A player wanting to win aint coming...team is years away from that. You might get Danny Green or Harris on a max deal...but that is all.

Sorry, no one is impressed by Phil.

Knicks1969
Posts: 25394
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/7/2014
Member: #5915

1/19/2015  9:19 PM
The TRIANGLE is not the problem. It is the individual coaching it and the players currently on the roster we should blame for its poor execution. Currently, our guys are not moving the ball fast enough. Calderon is too slow with his approach, and guys are not cutting as they should. After 40 games,we definitely have to blame the coaching staff for that.

On defense, if the PG on the floor can't stoop the opposing PG, and one of the bigs can't anchor the front court, we will never be a good defensive team. We have to FINALLY resolve this issue at the end of the season

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
1/19/2015  9:48 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:The TRIANGLE is not the problem. It is the individual coaching it and the players currently on the roster we should blame for its poor execution. Currently, our guys are not moving the ball fast enough. Calderon is too slow with his approach, and guys are not cutting as they should. After 40 games,we definitely have to blame the coaching staff for that.

On defense, if the PG on the floor can't stoop the opposing PG, and one of the bigs can't anchor the front court, we will never be a good defensive team. We have to FINALLY resolve this issue at the end of the season


I know this is hard to believe, but Fisher, Rambis and Cleamons are literally fully immersed in Phil Jackson's teachings and it's not their fault that players haven't grasped things or have the talent to execute thing properly. I think it's way too easy in this case to think it's the coach when in fact Phil was present at Camp and is here watching everything. He would never let the coaching staff just fail to instruct according to his expectations. Fisher is after all his protege. They ran camp and continue to run practices in the manner Phil has always done things. It's the players, which is why we're looking to improve the roster. Some of our players are still developing and others just aren't good enough.
Knicks1969
Posts: 25394
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/7/2014
Member: #5915

1/19/2015  9:53 PM
nixluva wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:The TRIANGLE is not the problem. It is the individual coaching it and the players currently on the roster we should blame for its poor execution. Currently, our guys are not moving the ball fast enough. Calderon is too slow with his approach, and guys are not cutting as they should. After 40 games,we definitely have to blame the coaching staff for that.

On defense, if the PG on the floor can't stoop the opposing PG, and one of the bigs can't anchor the front court, we will never be a good defensive team. We have to FINALLY resolve this issue at the end of the season


I know this is hard to believe, but Fisher, Rambis and Cleamons are literally fully immersed in Phil Jackson's teachings and it's not their fault that players haven't grasped things or have the talent to execute thing properly. I think it's way too easy in this case to think it's the coach when in fact Phil was present at Camp and is here watching everything. He would never let the coaching staff just fail to instruct according to his expectations. Fisher is after all his protege. They ran camp and continue to run practices in the manner Phil has always done things. It's the players, which is why we're looking to improve the roster. Some of our players are still developing and others just aren't good enough.

Have you ever watched Fisher's delivery during timeouts? If not, please pay attention to him from now on. He may be an excellent teacher, but a terrible motivator; specifically during battle

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
Is there any chance that Phil scraps the triangle?

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy