Jackson said on Saturday that he really decided to dump J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert after speaking with an old teammate, Walt Frazier. That was another indication that Jackson is starting to listen to other voices, doesn’t have all the answers.

CrushAlot wrote:I missed this.

Jackson said on Saturday that he really decided to dump J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert after speaking with an old teammate, Walt Frazier. That was another indication that Jackson is starting to listen to other voices, doesn’t have all the answers.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/bondy-phil-fesses-knicks-mess-fix-article-1.2073359

Walt seemed really feed up with Iman this year so I can only imagine what he said in private.

CrushAlot wrote:I missed this.

Jackson said on Saturday that he really decided to dump J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert after speaking with an old teammate, Walt Frazier. That was another indication that Jackson is starting to listen to other voices, doesn’t have all the answers.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/bondy-phil-fesses-knicks-mess-fix-article-1.2073359

Wow! Good catch...I didn't see this either. Not so much other voices, but respected voices. It's clear that Phil highly respects Clyde which goes back to their playing days. You can tell by Phils body language and demeanor when Phil sat down to speak with Clyde for an interview this summer.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Until you actually have some talent that fits the system they won't throw the coaching staff under the bus. Phil knows that it's easy to just kick a coach to the curb but you have to give them something to work with too. He's going to be patient with them. He's won titles with these men, if he's going to trust anyone it's going to be his own men.

ok so phil put together a team that could only win 5 games in a season, and i'm suppose to have faith

It's not the coaches fault that the teams is clueless
It's not the coaches fault that the team play with no heart
it's not the coaches fault that no one the team seems to be getting better only worse
it's not the coaches fault that the team take 5 ft's per game
it's not the coaches fault that the players are told to ignore the 3 ball
it's not the coaches fault that the team takes a total of 3 layups per game
it's not the coaches fault that he doesnt light a fire under these soft ass players

dude what exactly is a coaches responsibility, he doesn't run plays, he makes horrible substitutions, no game plan, no adjustment.

keep thinking that fisher has nothing to do with a roster that each player is playing at a career lows..

You are a basket case.

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Until you actually have some talent that fits the system they won't throw the coaching staff under the bus. Phil knows that it's easy to just kick a coach to the curb but you have to give them something to work with too. He's going to be patient with them. He's won titles with these men, if he's going to trust anyone it's going to be his own men.

ok so phil put together a team that could only win 5 games in a season, and i'm suppose to have faith

It's not the coaches fault that the teams is clueless
It's not the coaches fault that the team play with no heart
it's not the coaches fault that no one the team seems to be getting better only worse
it's not the coaches fault that the team take 5 ft's per game
it's not the coaches fault that the players are told to ignore the 3 ball
it's not the coaches fault that the team takes a total of 3 layups per game
it's not the coaches fault that he doesnt light a fire under these soft ass players

dude what exactly is a coaches responsibility, he doesn't run plays, he makes horrible substitutions, no game plan, no adjustment.

keep thinking that fisher has nothing to do with a roster that each player is playing at a career lows..

You are a basket case.

explain to me what I'm missing, 1000's of fans are screaming fire fisher, and i'm the basket case

Those 1000 fans are all in the "G" building at Bellevue hospital....it's sucks you are still on the waiting list

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Until you actually have some talent that fits the system they won't throw the coaching staff under the bus. Phil knows that it's easy to just kick a coach to the curb but you have to give them something to work with too. He's going to be patient with them. He's won titles with these men, if he's going to trust anyone it's going to be his own men.

ok so phil put together a team that could only win 5 games in a season, and i'm suppose to have faith

It's not the coaches fault that the teams is clueless
It's not the coaches fault that the team play with no heart
it's not the coaches fault that no one the team seems to be getting better only worse
it's not the coaches fault that the team take 5 ft's per game
it's not the coaches fault that the players are told to ignore the 3 ball
it's not the coaches fault that the team takes a total of 3 layups per game
it's not the coaches fault that he doesnt light a fire under these soft ass players

dude what exactly is a coaches responsibility, he doesn't run plays, he makes horrible substitutions, no game plan, no adjustment.

keep thinking that fisher has nothing to do with a roster that each player is playing at a career lows..

You are a basket case.

explain to me what I'm missing, 1000's of fans are screaming fire fisher, and i'm the basket case

Those 1000 fans are all in the "G" building at Bellevue hospital....it's sucks you are still on the waiting list

I would love to know what it is that you see in the coaching staff that has you all excited a pump for the future. In fact i will bet you 2 cases of what ever drink, that fisher will not be the knicks head coach next season

Jackson and Fisher have to be given time before you evaluate them.

In some ways this is exactly why may some NY teams choose against suffering with a young team as it grows, and instead choose the quick fixes, which frequently guarantee mediocrity, and, at best, short term success. A lot of NY fans can understand what good basketball looks like, but they are clueless about the growing pains many teams go through before they emerge as contenders.

This team should have gone through a total breakdown and rebuild, and it should have started a few years ago by not trading for Barngnani, and culminating with Jackson doing a sign and trade with Anthony to get younger assets and the picks to replace those we lost to other teams.

We have guys who were supposed to be complimentary players having to play starter's minutes.

Jason Smith, Acy, Cole- these were supposed to be 15-20 MPG guys.

You have guys who thrived on a style of isolation BB that allowed you to do minimal thinking and stand around waiting for Anthony or JR to do their thing.

Only thing I really blame Phil for is the Anthony contract, and you have to think that Dolan played a role here.

Many of you guys wanted our "superstar" back no matter what, well you got him back, and now you know the meaning of "what." However, even if we had done the sign and trade we would still be facing a few years of terrible teams

Hard to keep aging stars and do a patchwork rebuild, and even harder to do so when you trade away so many #1 picks over the years.

This is a frustrating time for all fans of this team, but to be honest, I would rather have a team like this and get a top 2 draft pick, than get a few more wins, just miss the playoffs and get a poor pick.

This franchise might still have MDA coaching if we had not won those games at the end of the year and lost the chance to pick up Curry.

I'm willing to wait and watch losing BB if I think there is a chance for a true rebuild with younger players who are willing to learn how to play the game unselfishly. Hopefully this can happen, and we don't go looking for older vets who will only get us to .500 but satisfy the paper bag crowd.

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I missed this.

Jackson said on Saturday that he really decided to dump J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert after speaking with an old teammate, Walt Frazier. That was another indication that Jackson is starting to listen to other voices, doesn’t have all the answers.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/bondy-phil-fesses-knicks-mess-fix-article-1.2073359

Imagine if Phil had all Nix or Briggs in him

He never would have pulled the trigger

Funny but wrong! We're not blind. At a certain point it made sense to pull the plug. We already were looking at a top lottery pick and JR had to go.