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mreinman
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1/6/2015  2:38 PM
VCoug wrote:
mreinman wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:Melo
Ok4
Lopez
THJ
Dragic

Calderon
Millsap
Early
Aldrich
Antekoumpo
Galloway

which lopez?

R.

How much money are we paying Lopez, Dragic, and Millsap? We only have about $29M in cap space.

10 per

I think Dragic will command around 12 million. Lopez at 7-8 million and Millsap at 9 million.

Why is Lopez leaving a Portland team on pace to win 63 games this year to make $8M for the worst team in the league?

Why is Millsap leaving a team on pace to win 62 games to play for the worst team in the league making the same money he's making now?

Are we the only team in the league that's going to offer Dragic $12M/year? Then why is he coming to the worst team in the league?

Why are we signing a 5 and a 4 when we're probably going to be drafting a 5 or 4 with our lottery pick? And when Melo's best position is the 4?

Portland has to decide who they want to resign (LA, Batum, Mathews (He is who I want), Lopez and Lillard. Don't think they keep them all.

Milsap plays on Atlanta who is very much about the system and Milsap aint young.

Dragic is a bit redundant in phoenix. If we pay him 12, he is here. Don't think that he gets that much, mainly because of his subpar defense.

I don't think they will either but I doubt it's Lopez they'll let leave.

I don't know what this means.

We're not the only team with cap space this Summer. No other team in the league will offer a fair deal to Dragic?

depends what fair is. I hope we don't pay him more than 10 and that is because I really like him.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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yellowboy90
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1/6/2015  2:46 PM
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:Melo
Ok4
Lopez
THJ
Dragic

Calderon
Millsap
Early
Aldrich
Antekoumpo
Galloway

which lopez?

R.

How much money are we paying Lopez, Dragic, and Millsap? We only have about $29M in cap space.

10 per

I think Dragic will command around 12 million. Lopez at 7-8 million and Millsap at 9 million.

Why is Lopez leaving a Portland team on pace to win 63 games this year to make $8M for the worst team in the league?

Why is Millsap leaving a team on pace to win 62 games to play for the worst team in the league making the same money he's making now?

Are we the only team in the league that's going to offer Dragic $12M/year? Then why is he coming to the worst team in the league?

Why are we signing a 5 and a 4 when we're probably going to be drafting a 5 or 4 with our lottery pick? And when Melo's best position is the 4?

I agree with everything you said. I think the Knicks would have to overpay Lopez and Millsap to even have a chance. I think Houston is probably the only competing team that will go after Dragic. The other teams are Sac, LA, and NY. If Houston wants him then they probably gets him although he will be in a similar situation with Harden playing the role of Bledsoe.

My question is how much could the knicks give Lopez and Millsap then try to get Dragic in a S&T. I think he is probably a good canidate because Phx is a team that wouldn't mind getting something back in return. I think Portland and ATl would play hardball like the Knicks did with Chicago for Anthony.

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1/6/2015  3:35 PM
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:Melo
Ok4
Lopez
THJ
Dragic

Calderon
Millsap
Early
Aldrich
Antekoumpo
Galloway

which lopez?

R.

How much money are we paying Lopez, Dragic, and Millsap? We only have about $29M in cap space.

10 per

I think Dragic will command around 12 million. Lopez at 7-8 million and Millsap at 9 million.

Why is Lopez leaving a Portland team on pace to win 63 games this year to make $8M for the worst team in the league?

Why is Millsap leaving a team on pace to win 62 games to play for the worst team in the league making the same money he's making now?

Are we the only team in the league that's going to offer Dragic $12M/year? Then why is he coming to the worst team in the league?

Why are we signing a 5 and a 4 when we're probably going to be drafting a 5 or 4 with our lottery pick? And when Melo's best position is the 4?

Why wouldn't they come here? Portland has to sign players as their FA list is long. Aldridge, Matthews just to name some players. Why would Millsap leave let's see what Hawks offer him they usually don't go over the cap especially when the next year Horford is going to be a FA. Yes Dragic will have suitors but what good FA doesn't.

Why get players that might play the same position as our possible number draft pick. There aren't a lot of players that are going to be here basically the cupboard is going to be bare. You have to think about getting a solid rotation at the PF/C position. If the Knicks land OK4 I see him as a player that can play both PF/C. Players leave for money wins have nothing to do with it most of the time.

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1/6/2015  3:38 PM
Vmart wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:Melo
Ok4
Lopez
THJ
Dragic

Calderon
Millsap
Early
Aldrich
Antekoumpo
Galloway

which lopez?

R.

How much money are we paying Lopez, Dragic, and Millsap? We only have about $29M in cap space.

10 per

I think Dragic will command around 12 million. Lopez at 7-8 million and Millsap at 9 million.

Why is Lopez leaving a Portland team on pace to win 63 games this year to make $8M for the worst team in the league?

Why is Millsap leaving a team on pace to win 62 games to play for the worst team in the league making the same money he's making now?

Are we the only team in the league that's going to offer Dragic $12M/year? Then why is he coming to the worst team in the league?

Why are we signing a 5 and a 4 when we're probably going to be drafting a 5 or 4 with our lottery pick? And when Melo's best position is the 4?

Why wouldn't they come here? Portland has to sign players as their FA list is long. Aldridge, Matthews just to name some players. Why would Millsap leave let's see what Hawks offer him they usually don't go over the cap especially when the next year Horford is going to be a FA. Yes Dragic will have suitors but what good FA doesn't.

Why get players that might play the same position as our possible number draft pick. There aren't a lot of players that are going to be here basically the cupboard is going to be bare. You have to think about getting a solid rotation at the PF/C position. If the Knicks land OK4 I see him as a player that can play both PF/C. Players leave for money wins have nothing to do with it most of the time.

They wouldn't come here because we're one of the worst teams in the league and would be offering them no more money than any other team. The only two big free agents we've signed, Amare and Tyson, we offered both of them more money than anyone else.

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1/6/2015  3:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/6/2015  3:47 PM
I think the smartest way to rebuild is a combination of everything


Draft
1 top tier FA
2-3 lower level FA with upside on the cheap and a couple of 2 year deals with only 1 locked for flexibility so I can get to 2016 or 2017 looking for another TOP FA choice.

Once you say here's 40-60mm to 2-3 players thats your team/for 4 years with Melos contract. I dont want to do that.


Beyond a goal of the top draft pick I see potential value moving into this draft later to a team that wants out--ONLY for a specific player or 2. Otherwise Ill hold off. But there will be C's that fall into rd 2 and I want in on that as high as possible if we can do it.

If Tyler Harvey Delon Wright or Frank Kaminsky were in the 20's--Id be highly interested even if we get Jahil.

A shot blocking C will fall into the mid 30's Ill bet that we'll happen. We need to grab that.

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1/6/2015  3:51 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I think the smartest way to rebuild is a combination of everything


Draft
1 top tier FA
2-3 lower level FA with upside on the cheap and a couple of 2 year deals with only 1 locked for flexibility so I can get to 2016 or 2017 looking for another TOP FA choice.

Once you say here's 40-60mm to 2-3 players thats your team/for 4 years with Melos contract. I dont want to do that.


Beyond a goal of the top draft pick I see potential value moving into this draft later to a team that wants out--ONLY for a specific player or 2. Otherwise Ill hold off. But there will be C's that fall into rd 2 and I want in on that as high as possible if we can do it.

If Tyler Harvey Delon Wright or Frank Kaminsky were in the 20's--Id be highly interested even if we get Jahil.

A shot blocking C will fall into the mid 30's Ill bet that we'll happen. We need to grab that.

I completely agree. We need a top tier guy like Dragic and need to get our draft pick right. Everything else needs to be balanced out with solid under-the-radar FA's and draft picks.

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1/6/2015  3:53 PM
Vmart wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:Melo
Ok4
Lopez
THJ
Dragic

Calderon
Millsap
Early
Aldrich
Antekoumpo
Galloway

which lopez?

R.

How much money are we paying Lopez, Dragic, and Millsap? We only have about $29M in cap space.

10 per

I think Dragic will command around 12 million. Lopez at 7-8 million and Millsap at 9 million.

Why is Lopez leaving a Portland team on pace to win 63 games this year to make $8M for the worst team in the league?

Why is Millsap leaving a team on pace to win 62 games to play for the worst team in the league making the same money he's making now?

Are we the only team in the league that's going to offer Dragic $12M/year? Then why is he coming to the worst team in the league?

Why are we signing a 5 and a 4 when we're probably going to be drafting a 5 or 4 with our lottery pick? And when Melo's best position is the 4?

Why wouldn't they come here? Portland has to sign players as their FA list is long. Aldridge, Matthews just to name some players. Why would Millsap leave let's see what Hawks offer him they usually don't go over the cap especially when the next year Horford is going to be a FA. Yes Dragic will have suitors but what good FA doesn't.

Why get players that might play the same position as our possible number draft pick. There aren't a lot of players that are going to be here basically the cupboard is going to be bare. You have to think about getting a solid rotation at the PF/C position. If the Knicks land OK4 I see him as a player that can play both PF/C. Players leave for money wins have nothing to do with it most of the time.

Lopez might be the one they let go because they can resign Kaman for cheap and have Meyers. They may consider Lopez a luxury at big money. We will have to pay guys as much or more than other teams, but thats the nature of free agency.

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1/6/2015  4:40 PM
Knixkik wrote:
Vmart wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:Melo
Ok4
Lopez
THJ
Dragic

Calderon
Millsap
Early
Aldrich
Antekoumpo
Galloway

which lopez?

R.

How much money are we paying Lopez, Dragic, and Millsap? We only have about $29M in cap space.

10 per

I think Dragic will command around 12 million. Lopez at 7-8 million and Millsap at 9 million.

Why is Lopez leaving a Portland team on pace to win 63 games this year to make $8M for the worst team in the league?

Why is Millsap leaving a team on pace to win 62 games to play for the worst team in the league making the same money he's making now?

Are we the only team in the league that's going to offer Dragic $12M/year? Then why is he coming to the worst team in the league?

Why are we signing a 5 and a 4 when we're probably going to be drafting a 5 or 4 with our lottery pick? And when Melo's best position is the 4?

Why wouldn't they come here? Portland has to sign players as their FA list is long. Aldridge, Matthews just to name some players. Why would Millsap leave let's see what Hawks offer him they usually don't go over the cap especially when the next year Horford is going to be a FA. Yes Dragic will have suitors but what good FA doesn't.

Why get players that might play the same position as our possible number draft pick. There aren't a lot of players that are going to be here basically the cupboard is going to be bare. You have to think about getting a solid rotation at the PF/C position. If the Knicks land OK4 I see him as a player that can play both PF/C. Players leave for money wins have nothing to do with it most of the time.

Lopez might be the one they let go because they can resign Kaman for cheap and have Meyers. They may consider Lopez a luxury at big money. We will have to pay guys as much or more than other teams, but thats the nature of free agency.

They are not high on Meyers and Lopez changed their defense. I like Lopez but he is not getting out of Portland unless The Knicks through $15M. The knicks would be better going out and finding the next Lopez. Easier said than done. I would go cheap on bigs especially if the knicks draft a big that can play the 4/5.

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1/6/2015  4:59 PM
I think it's going to be interesting to see just how the Blazers prioritize with more important guys like Aldridge and Matthews. They have a very tough bunch of decisions to make. What is their number for Lopez?


Player 2015/16
LaMarcus Aldridge FA
Nicolas Batum $11,860,750
Wesley Matthews FA
Robin Lopez FA
Chris Kaman $5,000,000
Thomas Robinson FA
Damian Lillard $4,236,286
Dorell Wright FA
Joel Freeland FA
CJ McCollum $2,525,160
Meyers Leonard $3,075,879
Steve Blake $2,100,000
Victor Claver $1,712,500
Will Barton $1,181,348
Allen Crabbe $947,276

TOTALS: $24,745,351

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1/6/2015  7:45 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Vmart wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:Melo
Ok4
Lopez
THJ
Dragic

Calderon
Millsap
Early
Aldrich
Antekoumpo
Galloway

which lopez?

R.

How much money are we paying Lopez, Dragic, and Millsap? We only have about $29M in cap space.

10 per

I think Dragic will command around 12 million. Lopez at 7-8 million and Millsap at 9 million.

Why is Lopez leaving a Portland team on pace to win 63 games this year to make $8M for the worst team in the league?

Why is Millsap leaving a team on pace to win 62 games to play for the worst team in the league making the same money he's making now?

Are we the only team in the league that's going to offer Dragic $12M/year? Then why is he coming to the worst team in the league?

Why are we signing a 5 and a 4 when we're probably going to be drafting a 5 or 4 with our lottery pick? And when Melo's best position is the 4?

Why wouldn't they come here? Portland has to sign players as their FA list is long. Aldridge, Matthews just to name some players. Why would Millsap leave let's see what Hawks offer him they usually don't go over the cap especially when the next year Horford is going to be a FA. Yes Dragic will have suitors but what good FA doesn't.

Why get players that might play the same position as our possible number draft pick. There aren't a lot of players that are going to be here basically the cupboard is going to be bare. You have to think about getting a solid rotation at the PF/C position. If the Knicks land OK4 I see him as a player that can play both PF/C. Players leave for money wins have nothing to do with it most of the time.

Lopez might be the one they let go because they can resign Kaman for cheap and have Meyers. They may consider Lopez a luxury at big money. We will have to pay guys as much or more than other teams, but thats the nature of free agency.

They are not high on Meyers and Lopez changed their defense. I like Lopez but he is not getting out of Portland unless The Knicks through $15M. The knicks would be better going out and finding the next Lopez. Easier said than done. I would go cheap on bigs especially if the knicks draft a big that can play the 4/5.

At 15 million I'll pass. And go with Ashik then.

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1/6/2015  8:03 PM
nixluva wrote:I think it's going to be interesting to see just how the Blazers prioritize with more important guys like Aldridge and Matthews. They have a very tough bunch of decisions to make. What is their number for Lopez?


Player 2015/16
LaMarcus Aldridge FA
Nicolas Batum $11,860,750
Wesley Matthews FA
Robin Lopez FA
Chris Kaman $5,000,000
Thomas Robinson FA
Damian Lillard $4,236,286
Dorell Wright FA
Joel Freeland FA
CJ McCollum $2,525,160
Meyers Leonard $3,075,879
Steve Blake $2,100,000
Victor Claver $1,712,500
Will Barton $1,181,348
Allen Crabbe $947,276

TOTALS: $24,745,351

that is a little misleading without adding the cap holds.

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1/6/2015  8:52 PM
Knixkik wrote:
Vmart wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:Melo
Ok4
Lopez
THJ
Dragic

Calderon
Millsap
Early
Aldrich
Antekoumpo
Galloway

which lopez?

R.

How much money are we paying Lopez, Dragic, and Millsap? We only have about $29M in cap space.

10 per

I think Dragic will command around 12 million. Lopez at 7-8 million and Millsap at 9 million.

Why is Lopez leaving a Portland team on pace to win 63 games this year to make $8M for the worst team in the league?

Why is Millsap leaving a team on pace to win 62 games to play for the worst team in the league making the same money he's making now?

Are we the only team in the league that's going to offer Dragic $12M/year? Then why is he coming to the worst team in the league?

Why are we signing a 5 and a 4 when we're probably going to be drafting a 5 or 4 with our lottery pick? And when Melo's best position is the 4?

Why wouldn't they come here? Portland has to sign players as their FA list is long. Aldridge, Matthews just to name some players. Why would Millsap leave let's see what Hawks offer him they usually don't go over the cap especially when the next year Horford is going to be a FA. Yes Dragic will have suitors but what good FA doesn't.

Why get players that might play the same position as our possible number draft pick. There aren't a lot of players that are going to be here basically the cupboard is going to be bare. You have to think about getting a solid rotation at the PF/C position. If the Knicks land OK4 I see him as a player that can play both PF/C. Players leave for money wins have nothing to do with it most of the time.

Lopez might be the one they let go because they can resign Kaman for cheap and have Meyers. They may consider Lopez a luxury at big money. We will have to pay guys as much or more than other teams, but thats the nature of free agency.

I think they have Kaman under contract for another year and he is quite a bit cheaper.
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1/6/2015  9:01 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
nixluva wrote:I think it's going to be interesting to see just how the Blazers prioritize with more important guys like Aldridge and Matthews. They have a very tough bunch of decisions to make. What is their number for Lopez?


Player 2015/16
LaMarcus Aldridge FA
Nicolas Batum $11,860,750
Wesley Matthews FA
Robin Lopez FA
Chris Kaman $5,000,000
Thomas Robinson FA
Damian Lillard $4,236,286
Dorell Wright FA
Joel Freeland FA
CJ McCollum $2,525,160
Meyers Leonard $3,075,879
Steve Blake $2,100,000
Victor Claver $1,712,500
Will Barton $1,181,348
Allen Crabbe $947,276

TOTALS: $24,745,351

that is a little misleading without adding the cap holds.


My point wasn't their cap space but the fact that they will be playing defense in trying to resign their other top Free Agents before they even get to Lopez.
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1/6/2015  9:01 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Vmart wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:Melo
Ok4
Lopez
THJ
Dragic

Calderon
Millsap
Early
Aldrich
Antekoumpo
Galloway

which lopez?

R.

How much money are we paying Lopez, Dragic, and Millsap? We only have about $29M in cap space.

10 per

I think Dragic will command around 12 million. Lopez at 7-8 million and Millsap at 9 million.

Why is Lopez leaving a Portland team on pace to win 63 games this year to make $8M for the worst team in the league?

Why is Millsap leaving a team on pace to win 62 games to play for the worst team in the league making the same money he's making now?

Are we the only team in the league that's going to offer Dragic $12M/year? Then why is he coming to the worst team in the league?

Why are we signing a 5 and a 4 when we're probably going to be drafting a 5 or 4 with our lottery pick? And when Melo's best position is the 4?

Why wouldn't they come here? Portland has to sign players as their FA list is long. Aldridge, Matthews just to name some players. Why would Millsap leave let's see what Hawks offer him they usually don't go over the cap especially when the next year Horford is going to be a FA. Yes Dragic will have suitors but what good FA doesn't.

Why get players that might play the same position as our possible number draft pick. There aren't a lot of players that are going to be here basically the cupboard is going to be bare. You have to think about getting a solid rotation at the PF/C position. If the Knicks land OK4 I see him as a player that can play both PF/C. Players leave for money wins have nothing to do with it most of the time.

Lopez might be the one they let go because they can resign Kaman for cheap and have Meyers. They may consider Lopez a luxury at big money. We will have to pay guys as much or more than other teams, but thats the nature of free agency.

I think they have Kaman under contract for another year and he is quite a bit cheaper.

He's also a much worse player.

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