TPercy wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

TPercy wrote:F5, name one so called "Saint" that is of the caliber of Lebron, Kobe Jordan etc.

Maybe if they weren't worshiped to no end

They'd be more "Saint" like

Doesn't matter that Lebron is this generation's Jordan

He's not above criticism///// Book It!

I do appreciate he's acknowledging he's being a D-wad

Hopefully he makes the character adjustments and gets back to being

The exceptional athlete he is

That doesn't answer my question. On your second point, there is no connection between his so called character and his skills, Lebron is Lebron if he is still producing every game then he is and alwas will be the exceptional athlete that he is.

No not true hence him pointing towards his bad body language

Towards teammates and coach, which is affecting his play

Now because he's head and shoulders more talented than 98% of this league

His drop off still places him better than pretty much everyone

But he has to stop with antics of showing up his coach

Not listening to him in timeouts, mean muggging him when things aren't going well

Your character flaws will eventually surface somewhere negatively

Sleeping with a bunch a chicks may not stop a player from performing well at their job

Calling owners out publicly for their bad behavior may not cause you to perform bad on the job

But the overall arrogance could eventually surface at some point negatively

And using the owner example with Sterling, uhmmmmm Sterling could have been racist

And delivered a championship to the Clippers but one would have to reason

It's not a good thing to have racism in the league no matter how much good he did

In the organization, in his case his bad character caught up with him

Magic Johnson was very arrogant, while it didn't stop him from being a multiple champion

Nor a successful business owner but it has had gotten him booted off network programming

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I've never seen people go to such lengths to disparage a player as much as they do with LeBron. Its way past ridiculous.

Agreed. Most of them are Jordan fans who secretly feel he's a threat to the throne. There are no public records of womanizing, gambling, going to jail, etc. Yet he's called dirt bag because he wants to win and doesnt trust inexperienced coaches. It is ridiculous as you say. Yet, Magic goes behind his coaches back to get him fired and its all good. Bird used to sabotage KC Jones set plays and go against his set plays during timeouts and he's praised for it by teammates during documentaries. Ridiculous indeed.

There has been a couple recent drop about him and the ladies

Not good at all, but nothing way out of the norm

Doesn't have to be those extremes and Lebron is not infallible

This is his time and his era for the good and bad that comes along with what he is

And what was the point of your post? What were you hoping to address? Because it seems the crux of your anti-LeBron rhetoric is that he has a penis and uses it from time to time. That isn't exactly compelling stuff.

Go google the info on your own, it's out there and common knowledge

Not everything is true and not everything is false

Which goes for all info out there on anyone

Lebron is not a saint and we need to get used to it

Dude, who the **** IS a saint? What does LeBron boning some chicks on the side have to do with his character as a person or his abilities as a basketball player?

Ahhhhh... A married guy who has accepted his status as a role model, and likes to portray himself as a good person sure, as heck has his character dented if he is "boning some chicks on the side."

Says nothing about his basketball abilities, but much about his "character."

In all seriousness, how can you sit there and judge LeBron like you're being tempted on his level. Are you really beating off 10s as you roll into work in your '95 Ford Taurus? Lets be real.

I'm not endorsing him cheating but as a dude, especially as one in his prime, I can understand it. The reality is that we're programmed to **** multiple women and getting married doesn't change that. More importantly, it isn't a reflection of character (or a lack thereof). Great men have cheated and you are going to sit there and deny they were men of character? LeBron's no great man but if better couldn't live up to that standard, what do you expect from a guy whose value to society is putting a ball through an iron ring?

I see

Your point?

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I've never seen people go to such lengths to disparage a player as much as they do with LeBron. Its way past ridiculous.

Agreed. Most of them are Jordan fans who secretly feel he's a threat to the throne. There are no public records of womanizing, gambling, going to jail, etc. Yet he's called dirt bag because he wants to win and doesnt trust inexperienced coaches. It is ridiculous as you say. Yet, Magic goes behind his coaches back to get him fired and its all good. Bird used to sabotage KC Jones set plays and go against his set plays during timeouts and he's praised for it by teammates during documentaries. Ridiculous indeed.

There has been a couple recent drop about him and the ladies

Not good at all, but nothing way out of the norm

Doesn't have to be those extremes and Lebron is not infallible

This is his time and his era for the good and bad that comes along with what he is

And what was the point of your post? What were you hoping to address? Because it seems the crux of your anti-LeBron rhetoric is that he has a penis and uses it from time to time. That isn't exactly compelling stuff.

Go google the info on your own, it's out there and common knowledge

Not everything is true and not everything is false

Which goes for all info out there on anyone

Lebron is not a saint and we need to get used to it

Dude, who the **** IS a saint? What does LeBron boning some chicks on the side have to do with his character as a person or his abilities as a basketball player?

Ahhhhh... A married guy who has accepted his status as a role model, and likes to portray himself as a good person sure, as heck has his character dented if he is "boning some chicks on the side."

Says nothing about his basketball abilities, but much about his "character."

In all seriousness, how can you sit there and judge LeBron like you're being tempted on his level. Are you really beating off 10s as you roll into work in your '95 Ford Taurus? Lets be real.

I'm not endorsing him cheating but as a dude, especially as one in his prime, I can understand it. The reality is that we're programmed to **** multiple women and getting married doesn't change that. More importantly, it isn't a reflection of character (or a lack thereof). Great men have cheated and you are going to sit there and deny they were men of character? LeBron's no great man but if better couldn't live up to that standard, what do you expect from a guy whose value to society is putting a ball through an iron ring?

I see

Your point?

never mind.

withdrawn.

You should make it a practice insofar as it pertains to me.

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I've never seen people go to such lengths to disparage a player as much as they do with LeBron. Its way past ridiculous.

Agreed. Most of them are Jordan fans who secretly feel he's a threat to the throne. There are no public records of womanizing, gambling, going to jail, etc. Yet he's called dirt bag because he wants to win and doesnt trust inexperienced coaches. It is ridiculous as you say. Yet, Magic goes behind his coaches back to get him fired and its all good. Bird used to sabotage KC Jones set plays and go against his set plays during timeouts and he's praised for it by teammates during documentaries. Ridiculous indeed.

There has been a couple recent drop about him and the ladies

Not good at all, but nothing way out of the norm

Doesn't have to be those extremes and Lebron is not infallible

This is his time and his era for the good and bad that comes along with what he is

And what was the point of your post? What were you hoping to address? Because it seems the crux of your anti-LeBron rhetoric is that he has a penis and uses it from time to time. That isn't exactly compelling stuff.

Go google the info on your own, it's out there and common knowledge

Not everything is true and not everything is false

Which goes for all info out there on anyone

Lebron is not a saint and we need to get used to it

Dude, who the **** IS a saint? What does LeBron boning some chicks on the side have to do with his character as a person or his abilities as a basketball player?

Ahhhhh... A married guy who has accepted his status as a role model, and likes to portray himself as a good person sure, as heck has his character dented if he is "boning some chicks on the side."

Says nothing about his basketball abilities, but much about his "character."

In all seriousness, how can you sit there and judge LeBron like you're being tempted on his level. Are you really beating off 10s as you roll into work in your '95 Ford Taurus? Lets be real.

I'm not endorsing him cheating but as a dude, especially as one in his prime, I can understand it. The reality is that we're programmed to **** multiple women and getting married doesn't change that. More importantly, it isn't a reflection of character (or a lack thereof). Great men have cheated and you are going to sit there and deny they were men of character? LeBron's no great man but if better couldn't live up to that standard, what do you expect from a guy whose value to society is putting a ball through an iron ring?

I see

Your point?

never mind.

withdrawn.

You should make it a practice insofar as it pertains to me.

relax ... it was an attempt at a lewd pun that went no where.

Never mind.

Withdrawn.

NardDogNation wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I've never seen people go to such lengths to disparage a player as much as they do with LeBron. Its way past ridiculous.

Agreed. Most of them are Jordan fans who secretly feel he's a threat to the throne. There are no public records of womanizing, gambling, going to jail, etc. Yet he's called dirt bag because he wants to win and doesnt trust inexperienced coaches. It is ridiculous as you say. Yet, Magic goes behind his coaches back to get him fired and its all good. Bird used to sabotage KC Jones set plays and go against his set plays during timeouts and he's praised for it by teammates during documentaries. Ridiculous indeed.

There has been a couple recent drop about him and the ladies

Not good at all, but nothing way out of the norm

Doesn't have to be those extremes and Lebron is not infallible

This is his time and his era for the good and bad that comes along with what he is

And what was the point of your post? What were you hoping to address? Because it seems the crux of your anti-LeBron rhetoric is that he has a penis and uses it from time to time. That isn't exactly compelling stuff.

Go google the info on your own, it's out there and common knowledge

Not everything is true and not everything is false

Which goes for all info out there on anyone

Lebron is not a saint and we need to get used to it

Dude, who the **** IS a saint? What does LeBron boning some chicks on the side have to do with his character as a person or his abilities as a basketball player?

Ahhhhh... A married guy who has accepted his status as a role model, and likes to portray himself as a good person sure, as heck has his character dented if he is "boning some chicks on the side."

Says nothing about his basketball abilities, but much about his "character."

In all seriousness, how can you sit there and judge LeBron like you're being tempted on his level. Are you really beating off 10s as you roll into work in your '95 Ford Taurus? Lets be real.

I'm not endorsing him cheating but as a dude, especially as one in his prime, I can understand it. The reality is that we're programmed to **** multiple women and getting married doesn't change that. More importantly, it isn't a reflection of character (or a lack thereof). Great men have cheated and you are going to sit there and deny they were men of character? LeBron's no great man but if better couldn't live up to that standard, what do you expect from a guy whose value to society is putting a ball through an iron ring?

Don't mind judging Lebron, or others who prove to be fakes.

I was surprised about Magic- made me look at him differently. If I found out that Duncan was a "player" while being married, I would be stunned, since he has a certain reputation. Did not root against LJ when played for us.

I'm usually upset with hypocrisy, especially if it applies to the carefully manufactured character of a public person. Lebron portrays himself in a certain way- if he is doing things that go counter to his, I find that meaningful.

Does not diminish what James has done as a player. What is, or is not, going on in Cleveland might, though.

People shouldn't put themselves up as something they are not. Folks living in glass houses...

Don't like Alex Rodriguez/Yankees, but when I thought he was clean I was actually rooting for him to catch and surpass Bonds, who was a fraud. That has all changed, obviously. If Jeter had turned out to be using PEDs it would have been worse, because of how he has always carried himself as a player and person.

Character flaws of great men (and women) don't diminish their accomplishments, but they can cause me lose respect for a person (Not that they would care!)

I do agree that we are programmed to play around, but then I'm an atheist who accepts our animal roots. The problem with this is that in the animal world the stronger animals seem to spread the most "seed," and this works out for the them evolutionarily speaking. Not sure that "players" of the human race are always the ones whose genes we want to see being spread in the form of children.

Those who claim to be good Christians or Muslims, but have no issues with married folks playing around with one another or doing it themselves, might want to do some soul searching of their own.

By the way, hat would you tell your daughter, assuming you have one and are old enough, if she came to you crying about the fact that her new husband was sleeping around on her and your two grandchildren? What would you say to your son-in-law?

WaltLongmire wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I've never seen people go to such lengths to disparage a player as much as they do with LeBron. Its way past ridiculous.

Agreed. Most of them are Jordan fans who secretly feel he's a threat to the throne. There are no public records of womanizing, gambling, going to jail, etc. Yet he's called dirt bag because he wants to win and doesnt trust inexperienced coaches. It is ridiculous as you say. Yet, Magic goes behind his coaches back to get him fired and its all good. Bird used to sabotage KC Jones set plays and go against his set plays during timeouts and he's praised for it by teammates during documentaries. Ridiculous indeed.

There has been a couple recent drop about him and the ladies

Not good at all, but nothing way out of the norm

Doesn't have to be those extremes and Lebron is not infallible

This is his time and his era for the good and bad that comes along with what he is

And what was the point of your post? What were you hoping to address? Because it seems the crux of your anti-LeBron rhetoric is that he has a penis and uses it from time to time. That isn't exactly compelling stuff.

Go google the info on your own, it's out there and common knowledge

Not everything is true and not everything is false

Which goes for all info out there on anyone

Lebron is not a saint and we need to get used to it

Dude, who the **** IS a saint? What does LeBron boning some chicks on the side have to do with his character as a person or his abilities as a basketball player?

Ahhhhh... A married guy who has accepted his status as a role model, and likes to portray himself as a good person sure, as heck has his character dented if he is "boning some chicks on the side."

Says nothing about his basketball abilities, but much about his "character."

In all seriousness, how can you sit there and judge LeBron like you're being tempted on his level. Are you really beating off 10s as you roll into work in your '95 Ford Taurus? Lets be real.

I'm not endorsing him cheating but as a dude, especially as one in his prime, I can understand it. The reality is that we're programmed to **** multiple women and getting married doesn't change that. More importantly, it isn't a reflection of character (or a lack thereof). Great men have cheated and you are going to sit there and deny they were men of character? LeBron's no great man but if better couldn't live up to that standard, what do you expect from a guy whose value to society is putting a ball through an iron ring?

Don't drive a "95 Taurus. In 1995 they may have been chick magnets, though.

Don't mind judging Lebron, or others who prove to be fakes.

I was surprised about Magic- made me look at him differently. If I found out that Duncan was a "player" while being married, I would be stunned, since he has a certain reputation. Did not root against LJ when played for us.

I'm usually upset with hypocrisy, especially if it applies to the carefully manufactured character of a public person. Lebron portrays himself in a certain way- if he is doing things that go counter to his, I find that meaningful.

Does not diminish what James has done as a player. What is, or is not, going on in Cleveland might, though.

People shouldn't put themselves up as something they are not. Folks living in glass houses...

Don't like Alex Rodriguez/Yankees, but when I thought he was clean I was actually rooting for him to catch and surpass Bonds, who was a fraud. That has all changed, obviously. If Jeter had turned out to be using PEDs it would have been worse, because of how he has always carried himself as a player and person.

Character flaws of great men (and women) don't diminish their accomplishments, but they can cause me lose respect for a person (Not that they would care!)

I do agree that we are programmed to play around, but then I'm an atheist who accepts our animal roots. The problem with this is that in the animal world the stronger animals seem to spread the most "seed," and this works out for the them evolutionarily speaking. Not sure that "players" of the human race are always the ones whose genes we want to see being spread in the form of children.

Those who claim to be good Christians or Muslims, but have no issues with married folks playing around with one another or doing it themselves, might want to do some soul searching of their own.

By the way, hat would you tell your daughter, assuming you have one and are old enough, if she came to you crying about the fact that her new husband was sleeping around on her and your two grandchildren? What would you say to your son-in-law?

Actually, basketball players have otherworldly athletic ability and make tons of cash. In terms of evolution wouldnt those be the genes that would be best to spread? Surely better than some 90 pound weakling manning the lettuce washing station at McDonald's.

yellowboy90 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I've never seen people go to such lengths to disparage a player as much as they do with LeBron. Its way past ridiculous.

Agreed. Most of them are Jordan fans who secretly feel he's a threat to the throne. There are no public records of womanizing, gambling, going to jail, etc. Yet he's called dirt bag because he wants to win and doesnt trust inexperienced coaches. It is ridiculous as you say. Yet, Magic goes behind his coaches back to get him fired and its all good. Bird used to sabotage KC Jones set plays and go against his set plays during timeouts and he's praised for it by teammates during documentaries. Ridiculous indeed.

There has been a couple recent drop about him and the ladies

Not good at all, but nothing way out of the norm

Doesn't have to be those extremes and Lebron is not infallible

This is his time and his era for the good and bad that comes along with what he is

And what was the point of your post? What were you hoping to address? Because it seems the crux of your anti-LeBron rhetoric is that he has a penis and uses it from time to time. That isn't exactly compelling stuff.

Go google the info on your own, it's out there and common knowledge

Not everything is true and not everything is false

Which goes for all info out there on anyone

Lebron is not a saint and we need to get used to it

Dude, who the **** IS a saint? What does LeBron boning some chicks on the side have to do with his character as a person or his abilities as a basketball player?

Ahhhhh... A married guy who has accepted his status as a role model, and likes to portray himself as a good person sure, as heck has his character dented if he is "boning some chicks on the side."

Says nothing about his basketball abilities, but much about his "character."

In all seriousness, how can you sit there and judge LeBron like you're being tempted on his level. Are you really beating off 10s as you roll into work in your '95 Ford Taurus? Lets be real.

I'm not endorsing him cheating but as a dude, especially as one in his prime, I can understand it. The reality is that we're programmed to **** multiple women and getting married doesn't change that. More importantly, it isn't a reflection of character (or a lack thereof). Great men have cheated and you are going to sit there and deny they were men of character? LeBron's no great man but if better couldn't live up to that standard, what do you expect from a guy whose value to society is putting a ball through an iron ring?

Don't drive a "95 Taurus. In 1995 they may have been chick magnets, though.

Don't mind judging Lebron, or others who prove to be fakes.

I was surprised about Magic- made me look at him differently. If I found out that Duncan was a "player" while being married, I would be stunned, since he has a certain reputation. Did not root against LJ when played for us.

I'm usually upset with hypocrisy, especially if it applies to the carefully manufactured character of a public person. Lebron portrays himself in a certain way- if he is doing things that go counter to his, I find that meaningful.

Does not diminish what James has done as a player. What is, or is not, going on in Cleveland might, though.

People shouldn't put themselves up as something they are not. Folks living in glass houses...

Don't like Alex Rodriguez/Yankees, but when I thought he was clean I was actually rooting for him to catch and surpass Bonds, who was a fraud. That has all changed, obviously. If Jeter had turned out to be using PEDs it would have been worse, because of how he has always carried himself as a player and person.

Character flaws of great men (and women) don't diminish their accomplishments, but they can cause me lose respect for a person (Not that they would care!)

I do agree that we are programmed to play around, but then I'm an atheist who accepts our animal roots. The problem with this is that in the animal world the stronger animals seem to spread the most "seed," and this works out for the them evolutionarily speaking. Not sure that "players" of the human race are always the ones whose genes we want to see being spread in the form of children.

Those who claim to be good Christians or Muslims, but have no issues with married folks playing around with one another or doing it themselves, might want to do some soul searching of their own.

By the way, hat would you tell your daughter, assuming you have one and are old enough, if she came to you crying about the fact that her new husband was sleeping around on her and your two grandchildren? What would you say to your son-in-law?

Actually, basketball players have otherworldly athletic ability and make tons of cash. In terms of evolution wouldnt those be the genes that would be best to spread? Surely better than some 90 pound weakling manning the lettuce washing station at McDonald's.

That lettuce washer could be a prince from zamunda. Wait that only happens at mcdowells, my bad.

Lmfao! True!

WaltLongmire wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:
I hate hypocrisy as well; no objection from me on that point. But how is LeBron being hypocritical? Yeah, on occasion he tries to market himself as being a good father but being a "good father" and "good husband" are two mutually exclusive things. And I have yet to hear him popping off at the mouth about being a devout Christian or even a religious man for that matter. I have to admit that I don't follow him beyond the court though.

Whatever the case, I didn't mean any ill will with the "Ford Taurus" comment. I was just trying to point out the obvious: you are an average Joe (like me) and will never be tempted like LeBron is. It's comparatively easy to stay faithful when the competition are 5s, 6s and 7s. But when you have Kate Upton caliber ass for groupies, I'd imagine that the game would change for most men. Again, I'm not saying it is right but the reality is that sex means little beyond the act itself from a male perspective. That is a point I'd remind a daughter of if she ever found herself in Savannah's position(if the rumors are true). But I'm 26 years old and those sentiments might change if I ever father a daughter (or any child for that matter). But I refuse to accept the idea that indulging natural urges can be reflective of an absence of character.

Ah yes... the death of romantic love.

Hard to say how I would react as a person if I had women throwing themselves at me for one night stands.

Had some temptation while married (now divorced)- was technically faithful, but as Jimmy Carter once said, I lusted in my heart, and might have crossed the line if the woman had really pushed me.

I can understand how you are separating love from copulation. I am actually in favor of legalizing prostitution- I sure as hell don't look at it as sinful or anything like that. An unattached guy having mutually agreed upon physical relations with a woman (or a guy, to be PC)might be foolish health wise in many ways, but I don't have moral issues with it.

For the most part I have be OK with Lebron, but

If he is playing around I would like to hear his justification for it.

If he is plotting with Wade again, I would like to hear his justification for that, too.

If he is plotting to get his coach fired, I would like to hear him justify his actions.

PS- I have a Forester, which has been associated with lesbians for a number of year (stated in the Pacific West, I think)- maybe this is why I don't those seconds glances from the ladies these days.

Love is state of mind not the state of penis.