CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I wouldnt trade pick 1 under any circumstance ZERO. This team and franchise needs a drafted building block. I would not trade the 1st pick even for Lebron--thats how high I am on Okafor. Okafor to me represents 15 years of winning Pick 2(probably zero as well) or 3/ it would have to be a king's ransom. I do not think the NY Knicks are going to base even a scintilla of thought process on how Carmelo Anthony thinks we should proceed. By the way I think the Cavs fcked up by trading what couldve been Jabari Parker for Love. We cant assume Parker wouldve been hurt but having Parker at a cost restricted level by himself is superior to Kevin Love's over rated play and contract. Trading a high pick for an established player has been brutal for the Knicks. I'd say its time to start rethinking how we build the team. I think pick 1 and 2 are probably set in stone to be Okafor and Towns. The Knicks need a foundational big player.

The Cavs are an example of how hard it is to turn around a bad team. Adding Lebron and Love to a .400 team only brings you to .600. What does that tell you about our sub .200 team?!
Wiggins numbers are terrible right now in Minnesota. He may someday be a good player but Lebron will be very old by then. Keeping the two together didn't make sense. They still have a long way to go if they want to bring the team up from .600 to .750 though.

The Spurs went from a.244 win% in 1996 to having 17 straight winning seasons at an avg of .700 ball and 5 championships. If you get the right player in the draft it can tunr around your fortunes quickly.

The Nuggets went from a ,207 winning percentage in 03 to a ,524 percentage in 04. They ended a six year playoff drought and made 10 consecutive appearances. The Knicks have a big piece and should be able to add several pieces in free agency. I think the Knicks will be much better after next offseason.

thats crazy. Who did they draft? He must have been pretty solid.

Nene

He was on the 17 win team. They drafted a different guy the next year and won 26 more games and didn't miss the playoffs for the next ten years.

meeeeeeeeeeeeeee-low?

LOL
Yeah, these people seem to care more about his record in Denver than in NY, where our Melo winning % is in the .400s.

Actually I think it's another great example where a franchise turned things around in a year when they added a top 3 pick. I think we see that next year with the Knicks if they get a top 3 guy and add a player or two in free agency. I think the Knicks are back in the playoffs next year.

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I wouldnt trade pick 1 under any circumstance ZERO. This team and franchise needs a drafted building block. I would not trade the 1st pick even for Lebron--thats how high I am on Okafor. Okafor to me represents 15 years of winning Pick 2(probably zero as well) or 3/ it would have to be a king's ransom. I do not think the NY Knicks are going to base even a scintilla of thought process on how Carmelo Anthony thinks we should proceed. By the way I think the Cavs fcked up by trading what couldve been Jabari Parker for Love. We cant assume Parker wouldve been hurt but having Parker at a cost restricted level by himself is superior to Kevin Love's over rated play and contract. Trading a high pick for an established player has been brutal for the Knicks. I'd say its time to start rethinking how we build the team. I think pick 1 and 2 are probably set in stone to be Okafor and Towns. The Knicks need a foundational big player.

The Cavs are an example of how hard it is to turn around a bad team. Adding Lebron and Love to a .400 team only brings you to .600. What does that tell you about our sub .200 team?!
Wiggins numbers are terrible right now in Minnesota. He may someday be a good player but Lebron will be very old by then. Keeping the two together didn't make sense. They still have a long way to go if they want to bring the team up from .600 to .750 though.

The Spurs went from a.244 win% in 1996 to having 17 straight winning seasons at an avg of .700 ball and 5 championships. If you get the right player in the draft it can tunr around your fortunes quickly.

The Nuggets went from a ,207 winning percentage in 03 to a ,524 percentage in 04. They ended a six year playoff drought and made 10 consecutive appearances. The Knicks have a big piece and should be able to add several pieces in free agency. I think the Knicks will be much better after next offseason.

thats crazy. Who did they draft? He must have been pretty solid.

Nene

He was on the 17 win team. They drafted a different guy the next year and won 26 more games and didn't miss the playoffs for the next ten years.

meeeeeeeeeeeeeee-low?

LOL
Yeah, these people seem to care more about his record in Denver than in NY, where our Melo winning % is in the .400s.

Actually I think it's another great example where a franchise turned things around in a year when they added a top 3 pick. I think we see that next year with the Knicks if they get a top 3 guy and add a player or two in free agency. I think the Knicks are back in the playoffs next year.

One player, even Lebron, doesn't add that much to the win total. No way. The win increase was due to Andre Miller, Marcus Camby, Carmelo, several additional role players being added or improving, and George Karl - probably in that order. Not that getting to .500 is really that great anyway or that we should care more about his record in Denver than NY.

They had Camby and Nene the previous year and Karl wasn't there for the 26 game improvement that first season. If you want to say Melo and Miller additions I would agree. If the Knicks add a top 3 pick and a very significant player that would be similar in my opinion.

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I wouldnt trade pick 1 under any circumstance ZERO. This team and franchise needs a drafted building block. I would not trade the 1st pick even for Lebron--thats how high I am on Okafor. Okafor to me represents 15 years of winning Pick 2(probably zero as well) or 3/ it would have to be a king's ransom. I do not think the NY Knicks are going to base even a scintilla of thought process on how Carmelo Anthony thinks we should proceed. By the way I think the Cavs fcked up by trading what couldve been Jabari Parker for Love. We cant assume Parker wouldve been hurt but having Parker at a cost restricted level by himself is superior to Kevin Love's over rated play and contract. Trading a high pick for an established player has been brutal for the Knicks. I'd say its time to start rethinking how we build the team. I think pick 1 and 2 are probably set in stone to be Okafor and Towns. The Knicks need a foundational big player.

The Cavs are an example of how hard it is to turn around a bad team. Adding Lebron and Love to a .400 team only brings you to .600. What does that tell you about our sub .200 team?!
Wiggins numbers are terrible right now in Minnesota. He may someday be a good player but Lebron will be very old by then. Keeping the two together didn't make sense. They still have a long way to go if they want to bring the team up from .600 to .750 though.

The Spurs went from a.244 win% in 1996 to having 17 straight winning seasons at an avg of .700 ball and 5 championships. If you get the right player in the draft it can tunr around your fortunes quickly.

The Nuggets went from a ,207 winning percentage in 03 to a ,524 percentage in 04. They ended a six year playoff drought and made 10 consecutive appearances. The Knicks have a big piece and should be able to add several pieces in free agency. I think the Knicks will be much better after next offseason.

thats crazy. Who did they draft? He must have been pretty solid.

Yeah who did they sign too in subsequent yrs

Oh wait may not want to go there

Because that would mean when we go from a 15win team to

40 win team we'll have to give all credit to OK4 and Goran dragic

Instead of Puff Stay MarshMelo Head

Who cares where they go if they get OK4 and Dragic?

I think the point is when you're rock bottom

Unless a franchise is intentionally trying to lose

It's not hard to improve and trying to point to

1 singular thing of many factoring variable is pure ignorance

In particular looking at the Nuggets situation

A lot of things unfolded in subsequent yrs making them relevant

and NONE more significant than adding a franchise player. Go tell me one move that had a bigger impact on turning around that team and then we can talk pure///// ignorance

George Karl

I guaranteed you if I asked

You

Crush

Splat

Ron Ron

TripleThreat

Starks

Bonn

Guns

DK

To do detailed research on Denver's turnaround

Their evidence would prove George Karl>Carmelo

They would tell you that Jeff Bzdelik was the head coach of the team at this time. I agree that George Karl was hugely responsible for the Denver Nuggets regular season success. But he was also heavily responsible for there failures in the playoffs as he was a horrible playoff coach.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I wouldnt trade pick 1 under any circumstance ZERO. This team and franchise needs a drafted building block. I would not trade the 1st pick even for Lebron--thats how high I am on Okafor. Okafor to me represents 15 years of winning Pick 2(probably zero as well) or 3/ it would have to be a king's ransom. I do not think the NY Knicks are going to base even a scintilla of thought process on how Carmelo Anthony thinks we should proceed. By the way I think the Cavs fcked up by trading what couldve been Jabari Parker for Love. We cant assume Parker wouldve been hurt but having Parker at a cost restricted level by himself is superior to Kevin Love's over rated play and contract. Trading a high pick for an established player has been brutal for the Knicks. I'd say its time to start rethinking how we build the team. I think pick 1 and 2 are probably set in stone to be Okafor and Towns. The Knicks need a foundational big player.

The Cavs are an example of how hard it is to turn around a bad team. Adding Lebron and Love to a .400 team only brings you to .600. What does that tell you about our sub .200 team?!
Wiggins numbers are terrible right now in Minnesota. He may someday be a good player but Lebron will be very old by then. Keeping the two together didn't make sense. They still have a long way to go if they want to bring the team up from .600 to .750 though.

The Spurs went from a.244 win% in 1996 to having 17 straight winning seasons at an avg of .700 ball and 5 championships. If you get the right player in the draft it can tunr around your fortunes quickly.

The Nuggets went from a ,207 winning percentage in 03 to a ,524 percentage in 04. They ended a six year playoff drought and made 10 consecutive appearances. The Knicks have a big piece and should be able to add several pieces in free agency. I think the Knicks will be much better after next offseason.

thats crazy. Who did they draft? He must have been pretty solid.

Nene

He was on the 17 win team. They drafted a different guy the next year and won 26 more games and didn't miss the playoffs for the next ten years.

meeeeeeeeeeeeeee-low?

LOL
Yeah, these people seem to care more about his record in Denver than in NY, where our Melo winning % is in the .400s.

Actually I think it's another great example where a franchise turned things around in a year when they added a top 3 pick. I think we see that next year with the Knicks if they get a top 3 guy and add a player or two in free agency. I think the Knicks are back in the playoffs next year.

One player, even Lebron, doesn't add that much to the win total. No way. The win increase was due to Andre Miller, Marcus Camby, Carmelo, several additional role players being added or improving, and George Karl - probably in that order. Not that getting to .500 is really that great anyway or that we should care more about his record in Denver than NY.

They had Camby and Nene the previous year and Karl wasn't there for the 26 game improvement that first season. If you want to say Melo and Miller additions I would agree. If the Knicks add a top 3 pick and a very significant player that would be similar in my opinion.

I never mentioned Nene. Camby missed most of the previous year. I agree with your final statement, though. We can get back to .500 - roughly the level of the team Phil inherited! - in a year.

Then maybe a little above .500 by Melo's fourteenth season. And ready to contend by Melo's nineteenth season!

Y would it matter if its Melo's 19th season?